Jiraiya vs. Danzo

[Curse Mark]

Uh, no. What happened when Danzo appeared behind Sasuke is the same as what happened with Asura. Jiraya/Sasuke didnt feel the opponents presence until they said aomething. The moment they attack and the moment they appear arent anywhere close to being the same instance thus your point obviously doesnt make sense. If the moment of appearance and the moment of attack were thr same then sensing wouldnt matter. So unless Danzo can blitz Jiraiya eith any of his attacks then Jiraiya lives.

So if it's the same thing why wouldn't it work? Unless that was a typo.
If he cant sense Danzo until he says something can't he do the same exact thing Asura did?

 

[KidGamer65]

Danzo appearing behind Sasuke and Sasuke not knowing until Danzo tells him is not the same as Danzo appearing behind Sasuke and Sasuke sensing him from the start.

 

[Curse Mark]

Danzo appearing behind Sasuke and Sasuke not knowing until Danzo tells him is not the same as Danzo appearing behind Sasuke and Sasuke sensing him from the start.

Why would Jiraiya be able to sense him if thats what you're saying

 

[Deadlift]

Danzo would never let Jiraiya get in Sage Mode, or summon Ma & Pa or other toads. Therefore, Jiraiya would for sure hold his own against Danzo (we're still talking about an excellent shinobi) but I really can't see him winning against a treacherous and expert guy like Danzo

 

[madvictory]

Considering Jiraiya was already pushed to his limits in part 1 (and as such, got taken out with ease in part 2), he isn't beating Danzo.

Danzo beat MS Sasuke. The boy only survived because he was healed by Karin.

 

[KidGamer65]

Why would Jiraiya be able to sense him if thats what you're saying

The barrier if it's up, a toad warning him of Danzo's appearance the moment it occurs erases the need for sensing.

 

[Zexion~]

Uh, no. What happened when Danzo appeared behind Sasuke is the same as what happened with Asura. Jiraya/Sasuke didnt feel the opponents presence until they said aomething. The moment they attack and the moment they appear arent anywhere close to being the same instance thus your point obviously doesnt make sense. If the moment of appearance and the moment of attack were thr same then sensing wouldnt matter. So unless Danzo can blitz Jiraiya eith any of his attacks then Jiraiya lives.

*sigh* you still don't get it.


-Jiraiya can't sense Danzo until he re-spawns or whatever you want to call it.
-Danzo reapears directly behind Jiraiya
-Jiraiya senses him, but this is no different than Asura telling him that he was behind him as its not going to take any longer for Danzo to initiate an attack on Jiraiya.

Thus its the same situation, your best bet would be to argue that since Jiraiya escaped Asura he could possibly escape danzo although he'd still probably be injured.

 

[Exaar]

Thus its the same situation, your best bet would be to argue that since Jiraiya escaped Asura he could possibly escape danzo although he'd still probably be injured.

It's a similar situation but

Against pein he had 3 dead bodies in front of him, Thought he had won and dropped his guard completely.

The moment danzo's body fades, he is going to know something is up and will still be on his guard, Allowing him to react faster than what he could when his guard was completely down.

Problem with Danzo's fight with sasuke is that the first time sasuke killed him was when he crushed him to a pulp, Thus didn't really see danzo's body fading, Which was to danzo's advantage.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

I meant to say Izanagi not KA. Danzo doesn't need to unseal his arm to use izanagi.

Yes he dose he has to count the eyes that's the reason he lost to sasuke

 

[unknownvillain1254]

Yes, but thats exactly whats going to happen here, he can't sense Danzo until he reapears and since he'll reapear IMEDIATELY behind Jiraiya (unless you can give me a reason he wouldn't) the same scenario would take place.

The moment u die in iz you come back so five seconds after he come back

 

[KidGamer65]

*sigh* you still don't get it.


-Jiraiya can't sense Danzo until he re-spawns or whatever you want to call it.
-Danzo reapears directly behind Jiraiya
-Jiraiya senses him, but this is no different than Asura telling him that he was behind him as its not going to take any longer for Danzo to initiate an attack on Jiraiya.

Thus its the same situation, your best bet would be to argue that since Jiraiya escaped Asura he could possibly escape danzo although he'd still probably be injured.

Lol, no, it's not the same. The moment Asura appears and the moment Asura attacks aren't the same thing. If he only realizes Asura is there AFTER ASURA HAS ALREADY ARRIVED AT HIS DESTINATION like he would with Asura telling him he's there, Jiraiya gets surprised and Asura has more time to attack thus Jiraiya reacts slower.

I know exactly what you are saying, and you are wrong. Either way, Danzo has no speed feats on Asura's level and all Jiraiya has to do is use Needle Jizo, so he survives. Easily.

 

[Curse Mark]

The barrier if it's up, a toad warning him of Danzo's appearance the moment it occurs erases the need for sensing.

Why would he have a sensing barrier up in the first place against an opponent he has no trouble tracking?

Lol, no, it's not the same. The moment Asura appears and the moment Asura attacks aren't the same thing. If he only realizes Asura is there AFTER ASURA HAS ALREADY ARRIVED AT HIS DESTINATION like he would with Asura telling him he's there, Jiraiya gets surprised and Asura has more time to attack thus Jiraiya reacts slower.

I know exactly what you are saying, and you are wrong. Either way, Danzo has no speed feats on Asura's level and all Jiraiya has to do is use Needle Jizo, so he survives. Easily.

He's not wrong though. He never said the moment that Asura appears and attacks is the same.

 

[KidGamer65]

Why would he have a sensing barrier up in the first place against an opponent he has no trouble tracking

We've already gone over this. If you have nothing new to add to the conversation then don't reply. :lol

He's not wrong though. He never said the moment that Asura appears and attacks is the same.

Then his point literally makes no sense as that is exactly what'd make his point accurate. 100% sure you don't know what you are talking about at this point.

 

[Zexion~]

Lol, no, it's not the same. The moment Asura appears and the moment Asura attacks aren't the same thing. If he only realizes Asura is there AFTER ASURA HAS ALREADY ARRIVED AT HIS DESTINATION like he would with Asura telling him he's there, Jiraiya gets surprised and Asura has more time to attack thus Jiraiya reacts slower.

I know exactly what you are saying, and you are wrong. Either way, Danzo has no speed feats on Asura's level and all Jiraiya has to do is use Needle Jizo, so he survives. Easily.

We've already gone over this. If you have nothing new to add to the conversation then don't reply. :lol





Then his point literally makes no sense as that is exactly what'd make his point accurate. 100% sure you don't know what you are talking about at this point.

Jesus, man you do twist peoples arguments towards your own rebuttals alot.

I'm saying that jiraiya sensing Danzo and Asura announcing his position are the same. As Jiraiya won't know or expect either one.

Just like how he failed to counter Asura DESPITE knowing he was behind him for that breif period of time, he would fail to counter Danzo as well.

Don't know where you got me sayig Asura arriving and attacking all happened at once from....

You can argue that Danzo isn't as fast as Asura who got pawned by SM Naruto but all i'm saying is that Jiraiya couldn't react to a similar situation as the one he'd place himself in here.

 

[Multiply]

I can only see one scenario of Danzo taking J-man which is after his first Izanagi. If he can truly 'respawn' where he wants and can get behind Jiraiya he can win, but with Jiraiya's summons and other feats I can't see Danzo landing a killing or even severe blow.

 

[KidGamer65]

Jesus, man you do twist peoples arguments towards your own rebuttals alot.

I'm saying that jiraiya sensing Danzo and Asura announcing his position are the same. As Jiraiya won't know or expect either one.

Lmfao, can we not? I know exactly what you are saying and it just doesn't make a shred of sense.

No, they aren't.

-Jiraiya feels Asura the moment he arrives. Thus there is no surprise.
-Jiraiya doesn't feel Asura the moment he arrives if Asura tells him AFTER he has arrived.

Just like how he failed to counter Asura DESPITE knowing he was behind him for that breif period of time, he would fail to counter Danzo as well.

Lol can you stop? The longer Jiraiya is aware of his presence the better chance he has of reaction.

Don't know where you got me sayig Asura arriving and attacking all happened at once from....

Never said you said that. :lol

 

[unknownvillain1254]

*sigh* you still don't get it.


-Jiraiya can't sense Danzo until he re-spawns or whatever you want to call it.
-Danzo reapears directly behind Jiraiya
-Jiraiya senses him, but this is no different than Asura telling him that he was behind him as its not going to take any longer for Danzo to initiate an attack on Jiraiya.

Thus its the same situation, your best bet would be to argue that since Jiraiya escaped Asura he could possibly escape danzo although he'd still probably be injured.

dude by your logic danzo can beat madara obito hashi hell minato

 

[EZQ]

Zexion's argument would be legit if Danzo could chose were to respawn, which would be OP

 

[Zexion~]

Lmfao, can we not? I know exactly what you are saying and it just doesn't make a shred of sense.

No, they aren't.

-Jiraiya feels Asura the moment he arrives. Thus there is no surprise.
-Jiraiya doesn't feel Asura the moment he arrives if Asura tells him AFTER he has arrived.



Lol can you stop? The longer Jiraiya is aware of his presence the better chance he has of reaction.



Never said you said that. :lol

Jesus KG Danzo doesn't have to exclaim anything though, so its still valid. There's still a lag from when he realizes the presence to when he reacts.