Jiraiya vs Bee.

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100 meters, forest, IC to kill, full intel.

Scenario 1: Jiraiya starts in base, Bee can't use BM.

Scenario 2: Jiraiya starts in base, Bee can use BM after 10 minutes. It takes 2 minutes to enter SM.

Scenario 3: Jiraiya starts in SM with all of his toads summoned, Bee starts in BM.
 
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Honestly I hate when people make scenarios.. Why can't it be a straight forward fight? Less of a hassle on my mind U_U

Anyways..

Scenario 1 - When you say BM I assume you mean his full bijuu transformation? Either way Bee wins. Jiraiya already went over with tsunade and yamato and kakashi how a uncontrolled fox naruto almost one shotted him, Now this is a perfect jink. Bee takes this Mid diff.

Scenario 2 - sm or not Jiraiya isnt handling V2 mode.

Scenario 3 - The only way he can win is if he does frong song which I might add takes too long to prep. The boss summons arent touching a V2 Bee let alone handling a TTB. Bee takes all the scenarios quite comfortably IMO. Jiraiya gets overwhelmed.
 

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Bee wins all of them!
 

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Jiraiya gets his chest blown off in scenarios 1 & 2 and gets nuked in 3.
 

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What's the knowledge here? None, full, or manga knowledge?
 

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1-lariat shatters jiraiya's chest

2-bee makes his head roll.

3-TBB nukes jiraiya to pieces.
 

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I think J-Man can win scenario 1.
 

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Is it just me who thinks SM Jiraiya is faster than V2 Bee?

V2 Bee only blitzed Sasuke, Jiraiya blitzed Pain twice.
 

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V2 Bee never fought Sasuke - it was V1. And Sasuke has much better speed and reflex feats than Pain's support bodies (which was all Jiraiya really fought, rather than the combat oriented bodies like Deva and Asura). The only thing Pain had going for him was shared vision to be honest. It was mainly Deva and Asura that had the impressive physical attributes.

As I said earlier, please specify the knowledge each side has in this match-up. Full, none, or manga?
 

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Full Bijuu mode isn't too useful for combat, so the only thing I can see it doing here is clearing out the forest to prevent Jiraiya from hiding to prepare Sage Mode. However, considering you have Jiraiya starting in Sage Mode anyway in the scenario where Bee can turn full Hachibi, there is no point to it. In the scenario with the toads summoned, the only real purpose of Bijuu Mode is to nuke the toads. V1 and V2 are much better for small scale combat since Bee gets to retain his speed and mobility while simultaneously not making himself a giant target.

The forest location helps Jiraiya with preparation of Sage Mode, and full knowledge means Jiraiya knows it is suicide to engage Bee in close quarters. Assuming Jiraiya manages to enter into Sage Mode, Killer Bee is still faster, stronger, and possesses far better Taijutsu skill. Bringing out V1 and V2 form furthers the already existing gap in those skills.

Frog Song, which is usually Jiraiya's way out against stronger opponents, falls flat on its face here thanks to the partner method. Jiraiya's only real hope is nailing Killer Bee with a giant Rasengan or Goemon, but that in itself will be difficult due to the speed gap. It's also questionable how much damage those techniques will do to Bee in his cloaked forms. If Bee has Samehada, he can probably soak up most of the attack with it anyway.
 
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