[VS] jiraiya vs Ayy

[KidGamer65]

Lol, A has full intel as well, meaning that he is aware that frog call can be used to momentarily immobilise him, therefore he can simply evade the range of the jutsu, through his body flicker, and he is certainly able to evade the range of Frog Call,
inb4,- there is no range, yes there is,

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, as Ay can certainly cover the distance to evade frog call, which really iisnt that vast

Except Ay doesn't know when he'll use Frog Call, so him not using his Lightning Straight, and evading a Frog Call that isn't being used at that moment, is a ridiculous notion. Ay's IC starting move is V2 blitz, no reason to believe he won't do the same here.

And even if he does, he'll have to circle around, which means he'll end up traveling more distance, as going straight ahead is faster than going around, meaning Jiraiya can use Yomi Numa, meaning Ay gets trapped and slowed down, meaning Jiraiya gets away and paralyzes him with Frog Call, and slams Rasengan into his back.

moreover, 40m really isnt that vast for naruto characters, so i dont see why ur so surprised about that, not to mention that shurado caught jiraiya blind sided regardless of his SM, A's speed particularly in V2 would blitz jiraiya with ease,
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, so claiming the whole sound argument is incorrect, when the toads and jiraiya lack the reflexes to react to his speed,

40m not being a large distance to travel doesn't mean anything here. Ay has to travel 40m BEFORE Jiraiya or the elder toads can act, which in this case, is merely speaking. Ay's always lolblitzed people from extremely close distances. No reason to believe he'll blitz 3 Sage Mode users before they can speak. Evade? Sure. Speak? Lol, no.

And the bold is completely irrelevant. Blindside=/=Outright blitz. Blindside means that Jiraiya didn't know it was coming, he can see Ay before he moves. Ay first has to put on his Raiton Armor and use Shunshin, and then he has to reach his target. Its laughable that you are implying that speaking won't be able to happen before Ay hits them.

And Execution? Obviously. Them rising up to perform the jutsu is only because they won't be able to hit the summoned animals from the ground due to their size. Irrelevant since Ay isn't anywhere near that large.

Raiton negates the doton effect of the jutsu rather easily, seeing how the electricity would travel faster, and counter the sinking affect of the jutsu, thereby allowing A to move and evade, so yes he does get out of the swamp,

Lol, that explanation makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. How does electricity traveling faster mean that Ay won't start sinking?

Frog Call is evaded, the jutsus range really isnt that vast, as A is more than capable of evading the range through his body flicker

Read above.

its quite debatable whether his normal rasengans could kill A,

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all A needs is one liger bomb, and jiraiya dies, not to mention that apart from frog call, which is evaded, jiraiya has no way of immobilising A, and if he does try to come close, then he would get blitzed and beheaded

Except no one is talking about his normal Rasengan, only his Chou Oodama variant, and Ay isn't ever going to get a Liger Bomb off.

Jiraiya is not reacting to his speed, if A lands a liger bomb which he is very capable of doing so, then jiraiya dies, its as simple as that

Jiraiya easily reacts from 40 meters, and then shits on him.

 

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Except Ay doesn't know when he'll use Frog Call, so him not using his Lightning Straight, and evading a Frog Call that isn't being used at that moment, is a ridiculous notion. Ay's IC starting move is V2 blitz, no reason to believe he won't do the same here.

And A's IC V2 blitz would result in jiriayas head getting chopped off, and NO, 40m really isnt that long
frog call is not executed before A blitzes him, not to mention that it will be completely moot if its used, when jiraiya is dead Lol
and Lol, how is A evading the small range of Frog Call, 'a ridiculous notion''

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A has more than enough speed in V2 to cover the appropriate distance and evade Frog Call,
he can also tell when Frog Call is used,

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would allow him to cover the distance with relative ease,

And even if he does, he'll have to circle around, which means he'll end up traveling more distance, as going straight ahead is faster than going around, meaning Jiraiya can use Yomi Numa, meaning Ay gets trapped and slowed down, meaning Jiraiya gets away and paralyzes him with Frog Call, and slams Rasengan into his back.

@Bold - wrong, A can simply travel the linear distance and evade the minimal range of the jutsu, dont see why your coming up with this circle around notion???? just because the sound waves are circular does NOT mean that A would have to run in circles to evade it, thats just ridiculous

and Lol, at yomi numa having any effect when A is covered in his RNY, thereby allowing his raiton to completely negate the doton sinking effect of the jutsu,

40m not being a large distance to travel doesn't mean anything here. Ay has to travel 40m BEFORE Jiraiya or the elder toads can act, which in this case, is merely speaking. Ay's always lolblitzed people from extremely close distances. No reason to believe he'll blitz 3 Sage Mode users before they can speak. Evade? Sure. Speak? Lol, no.

Not merely speaking, they have to rise up, and execute the jutsu, so ur wrong there, speaking is not doing shit here,
they have to collect the senjutsu chakra and focus it on their throats and tthen execute the jutsu,
so yes that is not speaking, as A in V2 can certainly land a lariat on jiiray before the toads do all that,

and the fact that you agree with jiraiya being unable to evade A, means that A can wreck him with a lariat and then kill him off with another blow such as the gullotine drop,
Frog Call being executed whilst Jiraiya is dead, doesnt mean that jiraiya will win, Lol

And the bold is completely irrelevant. Blindside=/=Outright blitz. Blindside means that Jiraiya didn't know it was coming, he can see Ay before he moves. Ay first has to put on his Raiton Armor and use Shunshin, and then he has to reach his target. Its laughable that you are implying that speaking won't be able to happen before Ay hits them.

Its laughable that you are implying that frog call is speaking, when first it requires a collection of senjutsu chakra, and still has to be executed, Lol,
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, ive already debunked the claim of ''speaking''
A activating RNY and blitzing Jiraiya from 40m which really is nothing to naruto characters is not wrong,
especially when jiraiya has literallly no way whatsoever to protect himself from A's physical blows
not to mention that jiraiya has shown zero sensing feats in SM whatsoever, and regardless of his SM, got caught by shurado,
which resulted in his arm getting blown off,
unless you think that V2 A is slower than shurado, then my point still stands

And Execution? Obviously. Them rising up to perform the jutsu is only because they won't be able to hit the summoned animals from the ground due to their size. Irrelevant since Ay isn't anywhere near that large.

They still need to collect the senjutsu chakra, infuse it within their vocal chords and then release the soundwaves,
A comes and blitzes,, or if Frog Call is landed, then he has more than enough speed to evade its range with ease,
and then can proceed to wreck jiraiya

Lol, that explanation makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. How does electricity traveling faster mean that Ay won't start sinking?

Because the raiton would spread and immediately negate the doton sinking effects of the jutsu,
it will negate it just how sasuke negated diedaras clay bombs, and just how kakashi countered kakuzus domu through his raikiri
A wont be sinking since the jutsus effect would be completely negated,
unless you think that raiton cant negate doton, or unless you think that yomi numa isnt a doton jutsu, in which case Lol

Except no one is talking about his normal Rasengan, only his Chou Oodama variant, and Ay isn't ever going to get a Liger Bomb off.

A isnt landing a liger bomb when he has the speed to run circles around Jiraiya, and blitz him with ease,
but jiraiya is landing a chou odama rasengan on a much much faster opponnent is more likely,
Lol please,

Jiraiya easily reacts from 40 meters, and then shits on him.

A beheads him,

 

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From 40m away and with full intel, the moment the match starts, the Frog Elders use Frog Call to paralyze Ay mid blitz, and then Jiraiya uses Yomi Numa on him and slams a Chou Oodama Rasengan into him. GG Ay.

Though it depends on if the Elder Toads can speak (All they need to do to use Frog Call) before Ay hits them from 40m away. I personally think that they can. Lol

All of Ay's Shunshin feats have been short range, so I think they could as well.​

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SM senses was shown only to humans. Otherwise there was no way Asura Path would of sneaked behind them, when they should of sense him from a mile away.

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Good catch

 

[KidGamer65]

All of Ay's Shunshin feats have been short range, so I think they could as well.​

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Lol, right. But that Ay speed wank though.

And A's IC V2 blitz would result in jiriayas head getting chopped off, and NO, 40m really isnt that long
frog call is not executed before A blitzes him, not to mention that it will be completely moot if its used, when jiraiya is dead Lol
and Lol, how is A evading the small range of Frog Call, 'a ridiculous notion''

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A has more than enough speed in V2 to cover the appropriate distance and evade Frog Call,
he can also tell when Frog Call is used,

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would allow him to cover the distance with relative ease,

Uh, read the post before replying. Cause this reply would be valid had I stated that Ay can't evade Frog Call. The fact of the matter is, he'll be mid Shunshin once its used, so no, he isn't evading shit mid Shunshin.

And stop with this shit excuse in the bold. When you can actually show me where that is required then we can talk. I've already replied to that part in my last post anyway.

@Bold - wrong, A can simply travel the linear distance and evade the minimal range of the jutsu, dont see why your coming up with this circle around notion???? just because the sound waves are circular does NOT mean that A would have to run in circles to evade it, thats just ridiculous

What the hell? If they use Frog Call, and the Sound goes in a straight path, if Ay runs in that straight path, he's obviously going to run right into the attack. Either Ay goes around them, or he goes straight and dies, but he won't go around them as he won't know when Frog Call is coming.

Having intel on someone's jutsu doesn't mean you know when its going to be used, and it doesn't mean you'll be prepared to counter it at all times. I suggest you get that thought out of your head.

You are pretty much telling me that if a bullet is shot at me in a straight path, I can evade it by running straight toward it. Lol

and Lol, at yomi numa having any effect when A is covered in his RNY, thereby allowing his raiton to completely negate the doton sinking effect of the jutsu,

Even though you have still failed to explain to me how exactly it stops him from sinking, I'll let this one slide.

Not merely speaking, they have to rise up, and execute the jutsu, so ur wrong there, speaking is not doing shit here,
they have to collect the senjutsu chakra and focus it on their throats and tthen execute the jutsu,
so yes that is not speaking, as A in V2 can certainly land a lariat on jiiray before the toads do all that,

And every Ninja has to build up chakra to pretty much do everything they do in this manga. Ay has to build up chakra to use Shunshin. Them having to do it doesn't mean shit when you can't prove how it'd take so long that Ay would be able to hit them from 40 meters away, especially when Ay himself has to build up chakra to Shunshin first.

Once again, you are wrong. Ay gets caught in Frog Call in killed.

Referring to it as "all that" is just a way to make it seem longer than it is, since you can't prove that its long to begin with.

and the fact that you agree with jiraiya being unable to evade A, means that A can wreck him with a lariat and then kill him off with another blow such as the gullotine drop,

Lol, read the post before replying. Evading=/=Using Frog Call.

Frog Call being executed whilst Jiraiya is dead, doesnt mean that jiraiya will win, Lol

Except you've posted nothing but "Ay blitz" "Frog Call too long" to lead me to believe that Ay can blitz from 40 meters before 3 Sages that have intel on his ability can act, which consists of two of those Sages speaking, which is pretty much all they need to do to use Frog Call.

Its laughable that you are implying that frog call is speaking, when first it requires a collection of senjutsu chakra, and still has to be executed, Lol,

Its laughable that you have no reason why it would take long, so you are getting into semantics to cover up the fact you have no argument against this point. You are breaking down the process in an attempt to try and it make it seem like it takes long, even though it doesn't.

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, ive already debunked the claim of ''speaking''

"Ay has to build up chakra to activate the Armor and then has to build up more to use Shunshin" That's just an example of the foolish argument you are trying to use here. Me breaking down the process doesn't change the fact that its not slow, so I suggest you stop right here.

A activating RNY and blitzing Jiraiya from 40m which really is nothing to naruto characters is not wrong,

Based on? Cause I've seen nothing so far. River posted a scan showing that Ma and Pa have Sage Sensing, more evidence that this dumb blitz argument is nothing but flawed.

especially when jiraiya has literallly no way whatsoever to protect himself from A's physical blows

Irrelevant since Ay isn't going to make it to the stage where he gets to attack.

not to mention that jiraiya has shown zero sensing feats in SM whatsoever, and regardless of his SM, got caught by shurado,
which resulted in his arm getting blown off,

unless you think that V2 A is slower than shurado, then my point still stands

Once again, read before you reply.

They still need to collect the senjutsu chakra, infuse it within their vocal chords and then release the soundwaves,
A comes and blitzes,, or if Frog Call is landed, then he has more than enough speed to evade its range with ease,
and then can proceed to wreck jiraiya

Already replied to above.

A isnt landing a liger bomb when he has the speed to run circles around Jiraiya, and blitz him with ease,

I've provided the argument, and your counter is nothing but:

A) Trying to make things seem longer than they area

B) Repeating the same shit you've been saying this whole debate.

but jiraiya is landing a chou odama rasengan on a much much faster opponnent is more likely,
Lol please,

Shitty attempt to take my argument out of context considering I clearly stated that Ay would be immobilized first.

A beheads him,

Then we have the joke behead argument. lol, get that shit out of here.

 

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How can E behead someone with a Lariat if B couldn't do the same to Sasuke or Kisame?​

 

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Uh, read the post before replying. Cause this reply would be valid had I stated that Ay can't evade Frog Call. The fact of the matter is, he'll be mid Shunshin once its used, so no, he isn't evading shit mid Shunshin.

I read ur post,
and @Bold - he can just use shunshin again, and evade it,,
and with his speed that even the sharingan cant keep track of, he can very easily do this,

What the hell? If they use Frog Call, and the Sound goes in a straight path, if Ay runs in that straight path, he's obviously going to run right into the attack. Either Ay goes around them, or he goes straight and dies, but he won't go around them as he won't know when Frog Call is coming.

Lol, you state that I dont read ur posts, yet you're the one ignoring what i said,

1. A is EVADING the attack, therefore he can just shunshin out of the jutsus range, by moving AWAY from the toads

2. Please stop with this ''going around'' crap, its nonsense, he can use his linear speed to evade the jutsus range and the time frame

3. A wont know Frog Call is coming, despite having the intel that its Jiraiyas main hope of immobilising him, but Jiraiya and the toads would be able to keep track, evade, and execute frog call before A blitzes them?? Lol

Having intel on someone's jutsu doesn't mean you know when its going to be used, and it doesn't mean you'll be prepared to counter it at all times. I suggest you get that thought out of your head.

youre talking like jiraiya would use frog call throughout the fight Lol,
the minute he gets within A's range, he gets blitzed,
executing frog call takes longer than V2 A's speed, and there is no way you can prove this wrong,
unless you come up with the ''speaking'' think which is just wrong,

@Bold - the same could be said for jiraiya then, he wont know when A is coming at him through his V2, when he clearly doesnt have the reflexes to react to A, the latter however has the speed and reflexes to evade the jutsus range the moment its executed,

You are pretty much telling me that if a bullet is shot at me in a straight path, I can evade it by running straight toward it. Lol

You stated that A would have to move in a circular motion, which is wrong,
A can use his shunshin

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, in a horizontal motion or simply head away from the jutsus direction, and he has more than enough capability of doing this

Even though you have still failed to explain to me how exactly it stops him from sinking, I'll let this one slide.

It has a doton sinking effect, which is negated through his raiton,
therefore the effect of the jutsu is countered, meaning that A doesnt sink,
its not that hard

And every Ninja has to build up chakra to pretty much do everything they do in this manga. Ay has to build up chakra to use Shunshin. Them having to do it doesn't mean shit when you can't prove how it'd take so long that Ay would be able to hit them from 40 meters away, especially when Ay himself has to build up chakra to Shunshin first.

A's V1 speed is more than enough to counter the jutsus speed,
if he attempts to blitz, and somehow jiraiya and toads execute frog calll, then A can simply evade it,
its as simple as that,
he is NOT getting affected by the jutsuu instantly, thats not happening either, meaning that even if the jutsu is casted from 40m (which again is not much for naruto characters), then A can still evade it,

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as the 40m starting distance alone can bypass the limit of Frog Call with ease,

and Lol, firstly tell me how jiriaya or the toads could even locate A, let alone execute the jutsu which A can evade,

Once again, you are wrong. Ay gets caught in Frog Call in killed.

Already explained above, its not happening

Referring to it as "all that" is just a way to make it seem longer than it is, since you can't prove that its long to begin with.

its certainly not as longer than jiraiya and the toads jutsus

Lol, read the post before replying. Evading=/=Using Frog Call.

Frog Call is used, and then its evaded before it reaches A or does any remote effect,

Except you've posted nothing but "Ay blitz" "Frog Call too long" to lead me to believe that Ay can blitz from 40 meters before 3 Sages that have intel on his ability can act, which consists of two of those Sages speaking, which is pretty much all they need to do to use Frog Call.

Frog Call =/= Speaking,
and if thats what you will say, then i am dissappointed man,
and A doesnt need to blitz them from 40m, he can do that once he manages to close the distance through evading all of jiraiyas attacks,
and once the distance is shortened, jiraiya gets overwhelmed

Its laughable that you have no reason why it would take long, so you are getting into semantics to cover up the fact you have no argument against this point. You are breaking down the process in an attempt to try and it make it seem like it takes long, even though it doesn't.

i dont need a reason since it will still take longer than executing his moves,

"Ay has to build up chakra to activate the Armor and then has to build up more to use Shunshin" That's just an example of the foolish argument you are trying to use here. Me breaking down the process doesn't change the fact that its not slow, so I suggest you stop right here.

Nah i think you should stop with the ''frog call is speaking'' and the ''A running in circles'' or ''A getting killed by Frog Call'' statements, on top of the fact that your premise is that jiriaiya would have frog call on throughout the battle'' whilst someone like A would just stand there and do nothing,
breaking down the process was neceessary for you, since your cliaming that frog call is speaking

prove to me, about how A cant evade Frog Call??
and prove to me why 40m is tooo much for A??
and prove to me how frog call is speaking??

Based on? Cause I've seen nothing so far. River posted a scan showing that Ma and Pa have Sage Sensing, more evidence that this dumb blitz argument is nothing but flawed.

SM sensing, doesnt mean anything when jiraiya has still not shown the reflexes to react to A's speed,
not to mention that Ma annd Pa failed to sense asura path behind jiraiya,
nor does it imply that jiraiya cant be blitzed Lol,
the blitz argument still stays,

Irrelevant since Ay isn't going to make it to the stage where he gets to attack.

--40m keeps him safe from Frog Call, whilst he activates his RNY level 2,
--if jiraiya attempts frog call or catches him, A can evade its range and bypass its time frame
--A can then close the distance and overwhelm jiraiya through his lariats, lateral chops and then kill him from liger bomb

Once again, read before you reply.

I do

I've provided the argument, and your counter is nothing but:

A) Trying to make things seem longer than they area

B) Repeating the same shit you've been saying this whole debate.

If youre saying the same shit, then i would state A's counters,
its not my fault that A's arsenal is pretty simple, but his arsenal still counters jiraiyas,
and unlike you, i have provided scans to back up my reasoning, no matter what it may be

Shitty attempt to take my argument out of context considering I clearly stated that Ay would be immobilized first.

and i clearly stated that A would evade the minimal range of the jutsu before it takes any affect at immobilising him ,

 

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I read ur post,
and @Bold - he can just use shunshin again, and evade it,,
and with his speed that even the sharingan cant keep track of, he can very easily do this,

He can't use Shunshin again until he's stopped from when he's using his first Shunshin, which you already stated would be to blitz Jiraiya, meaning until he reaches that position, he isn't evading shit, unless he Shunshins to evade it first.

1. A is EVADING the attack, therefore he can just shunshin out of the jutsus range, by moving AWAY from the toads

Away in which direction? Backwards? Cause that isn't going to help shit. Jiraiya would just have more time to set whatever he needs to set up. Forwards? Shit makes no sense as he'll RUN RIGHT INTO THE ATTACK. It goes straight and spreads out, so what can he do to evade it?

Oh wait, that's right. HE HAS TO GO AROUND IT. Lol. Why is this so hard to grasp? Its not rocket science. Its common sense.

2. Please stop with this ''going around'' crap, its nonsense, he can use his linear speed to evade the jutsus range and the time frame

Read above, because you clearly aren't making any sense whatsoever.

3. A wont know Frog Call is coming, despite having the intel that its Jiraiyas main hope of immobilising him, but Jiraiya and the toads would be able to keep track, evade, and execute frog call before A blitzes them?? Lol

Knowledge on the jutsu isn't knowledge on when Jiraiya is going to use it. So no, stop using this bad logic. Many times in the manga where people have had intel on certain jutsu in someone's arsenal, yet they never knew when they were coming, until they were actually used. Not to mention Jiraiya has Yomi Numa to immobilize him temporarily, at least until he breaks out, he has Shima's Fuuton to take off his Raiton Armor, each of which would be as effective as Frog Call if hit, yet Ay is somehow going to focus on countering one, when he has no idea when any of them are coming..lol, bad logic buddy. And no, they don't need to track him to do anything, he IS COMING RIGHT AT THEM.

@bold: Who ever said they'd have to evade? Ay is coming right at them, Frog Call only needs to be aimed where he's coming from, which is from the front, as that is how Ay opens his fights. If he Shunshin's around to evade Frog Call, it only gives Jiraiya and the Toad Elders much more time to react since going around requires you to travel more distance to reach your target, so Jiraiya makes a clone, and Shima spits out her Dust Cloud, meaning Ay can't locate Jiraiya, and if he ends up hitting something, it'll be the clone Jiraiya left for him. Then he kills him with Chou Oodama Rasengan.

This Ay speed wank is apparently contagious.

youre talking like jiraiya would use frog call throughout the fight Lol,
the minute he gets within A's range, he gets blitzed,

No, what I said means what I said. Ay doesn't know when its coming, and that's a fact no matter how hard you twist and turn to try and prove that wrong.

executing frog call takes longer than V2 A's speed, and there is no way you can prove this wrong,
unless you come up with the ''speaking'' think which is just wrong,

Executing Frog Song takes the same amount of time as it does for them to speak, as they are merely expelling Sound Waves, which takes a thought. That's faster than Ay moves.

@Bold - the same could be said for jiraiya then, he wont know when A is coming at him through his V2, when he clearly doesnt have the reflexes to react to A, the latter however has the speed and reflexes to evade the jutsus range the moment its executed,

Lol, what? He has intel, and he can SEE WHEN Ay enters his V2 state, so no, he knows when Ay is coming, as Ay makes it obvious that he is coming.

And once again, if Ay Shunshin's to blitz, Frog Call catches and he isn't going to evade mid Shunshin. Either he Shunshins to evade it first, or he goes straight ahead and gets caught.

You stated that A would have to move in a circular motion, which is wrong,
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, in a horizontal motion or simply head away from the jutsus direction, and he has more than enough capability of doing this

I said he'd have to go around, which is what he did to Sasuke. Sasuke was in front of him, and Ay Shunshin'd to his right side, and appeared to the side of Sasuke. So once again..YOU ARE ONLY PROVING MY POINT. What is the difference between what I stated and what you are showing in this scan? Lmao. Read before you reply.

If he tries to go around from the start instead of going straight ahead (Which would make no sense given how he normally opens his fights, and given that he has no idea when Frog Call is coming, if it comes)

A's V1 speed is more than enough to counter the jutsus speed,

Ok? He can evade it in V1 if he wants, but not only does that not change anything already stated, that makes it easy for Jiraiya to react to him.

if he attempts to blitz, and somehow jiraiya and toads execute frog calll, then A can simply evade it,
its as simple as that,

If he goes in for the Shunshin, and Frog Call is used, he ends up running right into it. He isn't going to change direction and evade the jutsu Mid Shunshin.

he is NOT getting affected by the jutsuu instantly, thats not happening either, meaning that even if the jutsu is casted from 40m (which again is not much for naruto characters), then A can still evade it,

You keep stating "Its not much for Naruto characters" even though by itself, its not evidence at all.

And lol. If Ay comes in for the blitz and they cast it, it obviously won't be from 40m away as Ay will be charging right towards them.

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as the 40m starting distance alone can bypass the limit of Frog Call with ease,

Lol, read above.

and Lol, firstly tell me how jiriaya or the toads could even locate A, let alone execute the jutsu which A can evade,

If he is going straight ahead, then they don't need to locate him. If he he does like he did against Sasuke, I already mentioned what they do, not to mention both elder toads can sense, so they'll know where Ay is at all times.

its certainly not as longer than jiraiya and the toads jutsus

Obviously not the point. The point is, you breaking down the process doesn't mean shit. Breaking down the process doesn't make a jutsu longer, its you trying to make it seem longer to benefit your argument.

Frog Call is used, and then its evaded before it reaches A or does any remote effect,

Ay charges in, then Frog Call is used and he gets caught.

Or Ay does like he did against Sasuke, and Jiraiya does what I said he'll do above and Ay still dies a terrible death.

Ay is making the first move here last time I checked. Frog Call is a response to his blitz, its not a way to prevent his blitz.

Frog Call =/= Speaking,

Not really. Instead of releasing normal sound waves, they release sound waves that paralyze the opponent. You keep repeating this, but you have literally provided nothing valid enough to support it.

and if thats what you will say, then i am dissappointed man,

Disappointed in the truth? Lol.

and A doesnt need to blitz them from 40m, he can do that once he manages to close the distance through evading all of jiraiyas attacks,

If he doesn't open with a blitz, Jiraiya shits on him with a Dust Cloud to rob him of his vision, followed by an Oodama Rasengan to his chest.

and once the distance is shortened, jiraiya gets overwhelmed

i dont need a reason since it will still take longer than executing his moves,

I'm still waiting for evidence that they can't speak before Ay approaches and hits them from 40 meters.

Nah i think you should stop with the ''frog call is speaking'' and the ''A running in circles'' or ''A getting killed by Frog Call'' statements, on top of the fact that your premise is that jiriaiya would have frog call on throughout the battle'' whilst someone like A would just stand there and do nothing,

breaking down the process was neceessary for you, since your cliaming that frog call is speaking

Except nothing you said changes anything I said. Breaking down the process doesn't change what the shit is.

prove to me, about how A cant evade Frog Call??

Never said he couldn't, only mid Shunshin he can't. Fact.

and prove to me why 40m is tooo much for A??

You claimed that Ay was going to blitz from 40m before Jiraiya could react, its your job to prove that right, not mine. This is just telling me you have no real argument.

and prove to me how frog call is speaking??

Instead of releasing sound waves, they release Senjutsu based sound waves to paralyze the opponent. Shooting out the sound for Frog Call literally only takes them opening their mouths.

SM sensing, doesnt mean anything when jiraiya has still not shown the reflexes to react to A's speed,

SM sensing only makes it easier to react considering SM sensing=Precognation, and the sheer distance was already enough to them react anyway.

not to mention that Ma annd Pa failed to sense asura path behind jiraiya,

Irrelevant as they are stated to be sensors, and irrelevant as a sneak attack isn't the argument here.

nor does it imply that jiraiya cant be blitzed Lol,
the blitz argument still stays,

Except I've seen nothing from you that leads me to believe he blitzes.

--40m keeps him safe from Frog Call, whilst he activates his RNY level 2,

Replied to.

--if jiraiya attempts frog call or catches him, A can evade its range and bypass its time frame

Replied to.

--A can then close the distance and overwhelm jiraiya through his lariats, lateral chops and then kill him from liger bomb

If the bold refers to him in V1, then its replied to. If V2, then its still replied to.

If youre saying the same shit, then i would state A's counters,
its not my fault that A's arsenal is pretty simple, but his arsenal still counters jiraiyas,
and unlike you, i have provided scans to back up my reasoning, no matter what it may be

I'm countering, you are saying the same exact things. Ay's arsenal being simple doesn't have anything to do with it.

Providing scans doesn't mean shit when the arguments you provide the scans for aren't even valid. I could waste my time fishing through manga scans for stuff that everyone already knows, but what's the point? Scans=/=Good/Valid Argument. Reasoning=Good Argument.

and i clearly stated that A would evade the minimal range of the jutsu before it takes any affect at immobilising him ,

Either Ay does:

1. Shunshins to blitz Jiraiya.

2. Shunshins to evade Frog Call.

If he does 1, then Frog Call hits him as he can't evade or change direction mid Shunshin.

If he does 2, then Jiraiya makes a clone or summons another boss toad, and uses Shima's Dust Cloud and kills Ay.

 

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then Jiraiya makes a clone

Can he make clones?

 

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Can he make clones?

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Crap forgot about that. Jiraya can be a broken fighter if he wanted to.