[VS] jiraiya vs Ayy

[naruto7861]

Jiraiya vs Ayy

Conditions Jiraiya starts in sm


Area hidden cloud

Intel full

Intent kill

Distance 40 meters


Jiraiya mid diff for me

 

[ATD]

V2 Ay(both arms) would be still faster than him, but in sm jiraya has the reaction time to dodge,tank some attacks.
But jiraya wins with boss summons ofc.

without them it could go either way, ay definitive is faster in v2 than sm jiraya, i think they are both at the same strength ( Sm jiraya may be stronger)
but speed is more worth and jiraya would have not the time to preform the genjutsu of MA&PA, due to the fast attack power of v2 ay, he would beat jiraya in the end very high diff.

 

[Beans2]

Jiraiya mid diffs if he starts in SM.
Barrier to track Ay's movements + SM reflexes and a massive rasengan kills him.

Genjutsu is also an option.

 

[KidGamer65]

From 40m away and with full intel, the moment the match starts, the Frog Elders use Frog Call to paralyze Ay mid blitz, and then Jiraiya uses Yomi Numa on him and slams a Chou Oodama Rasengan into him. GG Ay.

Though it depends on if the Elder Toads can speak (All they need to do to use Frog Call) before Ay hits them from 40m away. I personally think that they can. Lol

 

[TRE MERCER]

Jiraiya shits. Multiple summonings and sound genjutsu ends this.

 

[RicardoA]

Ay wins imo.
He's just too raw, even in SM Jiraiya doesn't possess the necessary speed/reactions nor durability to keep up with Ay.
Full intel makes Ay aware of Jiraiya's arsenal and the threat it poses, meaning he would probably waste 0 time charging in at full speed.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Jiraiya mid diffs if he starts in SM.
Barrier to track Ay's movements + SM reflexes and a massive rasengan kills him.

Genjutsu is also an option.

Jiraya wins but he does not have SM senses. Only perfect users has shown this feat.

 

[RicardoA]

Jiraya wins but he does not have SM senses. Only perfect users has shown this feat.

*HAVE shown this feat U_U

 

[Beans2]

Jiraya wins but he does not have SM senses. Only perfect users has shown this feat.

Ma and Pa are perfect Sages and have SM sensing. He also has his sensing barrier in addition to that. And he has shown fantastic strength and reflex feats when in Sage Mode.

 

[ChrisWolf]

this one is a tough one, but as always the first and foremost thing to think about when it comes to a jiraiya vs battle is jiraiyas giant summons......how well would ay do against them? I dare say they would provide enough of a distraction, AT LEAST, for ay to have to go all out if he has any hopes of taking jiraiya.

As far as sm jiraiya vs ay goes that's a hard one to decide too but the cutting power of ays lightning style + speed would make it very possible and possibly quite easy for him to cut ma and pa from jmans shoulders and thereby ending his sage mode. of course if Jiraiya uses the black swamp jutsu to cover the ground then ays advantage as all but completely diminished and he is in serious trouble.....

this is a tough one but because of the giant summonings and the swamp style jutsu I say jiraiya wins this

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Ma and Pa are perfect Sages and have SM sensing. He also has his sensing barrier in addition to that. And he has shown fantastic strength and reflex feats when in Sage Mode.

SM senses was shown only to humans. Otherwise there was no way Asura Path would of sneaked behind them, when they should of sense him from a mile away.

 

[ChrisWolf]

will no one address the simple fact that black swamp jutsu takes away all of ays advantage?

 

[ARGUS]

A wins this,

--regardless of his SM, jiraiya lacks teh reflexes annd the reaction feats to react to V2 A, and ma&pa are certainly not executiing frog call beffore A chops jiraiyas head off,

--yomi numa is countered through A's raiton affinity, and jiraiyas summons simply lack the firepower to damage A, as he proceeds to wreck gamabunta or the other gama toads through hiis lightning chops,

--the only way for jiraiya to win this, is if he can prep frog song, but judging by A's speed, and fighting style along with the fact that the jutsu requriees quite alot of prep, simply means that this isnt happening

 

[LustyLover]

will no one address the simple fact that black swamp jutsu takes away all of ays advantage?

Yomi Numa is of the Doton element; Doton's weakness is Raiton, something that A utilizes with great skill consistently. It won't be able to hold him.

I'm not going for either side, but I just thought I should add that.​

 

[KidGamer65]

A wins this,

--regardless of his SM, jiraiya lacks teh reflexes annd the reaction feats to react to V2 A, and ma&pa are certainly not executiing frog call beffore A chops jiraiyas head off,

From 40 meters? Based on? Ay blitzing and killing Jiraiya before the Elder Toads are able to speak, is completely nonsensical, especially from 40 meters away, when Jiraiya has full intel on Ay's speed and his capabilities, and he starts in Sage Mode.

--yomi numa is countered through A's raiton affinity, and jiraiyas summons simply lack the firepower to damage A, as he proceeds to wreck gamabunta or the other gama toads through hiis lightning chops,

People have used the Raiton as a counter, but how exactly is he going to get out of the swamp? And if it can't hold him, it'll slow him down enough for Jiraiya to hit him with Rasengan, though it doesn't really matter how the swamp goes since Frog Call would have paralyzed him.

--the only way for jiraiya to win this, is if he can prep frog song, but judging by A's speed, and fighting style along with the fact that the jutsu requriees quite alot of prep, simply means that this isnt happening

Lol, what? His only way to win is Frog Song, yet he has the means to immobilize or slow down Ay, and he has the output strong enough to kill him in one shot? Come on now.

Ay doesn't stand a chance against any Sage Mode user at their peak in this manga.

 

[ChrisWolf]

Yomi Numa is of the Doton element; Doton's weakness is Raiton, something that A utilizes with great skill consistently. It won't be able to hold him.

I'm not going for either side, but I just thought I should add that.​

thank you lol at least someone acknowledged it lol

 

[Beans2]

SM senses was shown only to humans. Otherwise there was no way Asura Path would of sneaked behind them, when they should of sense him from a mile away.

Fukusaku trained Naruto to become a perfect Sage, and has shown all the requirements of being a perfect Sage other than sensing. It's just common logic that he is capable of sensing. I don't really have anything to say about Asura paths sneaking up on him except that Jiraiya let hos guard down. A sensor like Madara didn't sense BZ coming from behind him and Naruto, the best sensor in the manga, couldn't sense Kaguya sneak up on him. Really I suppose it's just plot.

 

[ATD]

V2 Ay shits on 40 meters, but if jiraya right at the beginning summons the big bosses its over for ay because jiraya would get time to preform the toad genjutsu.

The reason ay don't starts in v2 gives jiraya time to form hand signs for the summoning jutsu, the only way jiraya would win.
Without summonings ay would beat him.

 

[ARGUS]

From 40 meters? Based on? Ay blitzing and killing Jiraiya before the Elder Toads are able to speak, is completely nonsensical, especially from 40 meters away, when Jiraiya has full intel on Ay's speed and his capabilities, and he starts in Sage Mode.

Lol, A has full intel as well, meaning that he is aware that frog call can be used to momentarily immobilise him, therefore he can simply evade the range of the jutsu, through his body flicker, and he is certainly able to evade the range of Frog Call,
inb4,- there is no range, yes there is,

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, as Ay can certainly cover the distance to evade frog call, which really iisnt that vast

moreover, 40m really isnt that vast for naruto characters, so i dont see why ur so surprised about that, not to mention that shurado caught jiraiya blind sided regardless of his SM, A's speed particularly in V2 would blitz jiraiya with ease,
on top of the fact that

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, so claiming the whole sound argument is incorrect, when the toads and jiraiya lack the reflexes to react to his speed,

People have used the Raiton as a counter, but how exactly is he going to get out of the swamp? And if it can't hold him, it'll slow him down enough for Jiraiya to hit him with Rasengan, though it doesn't really matter how the swamp goes since Frog Call would have paralyzed him.

Raiton negates the doton effect of the jutsu rather easily, seeing how the electricity would travel faster, and counter the sinking affect of the jutsu, thereby allowing A to move and evade, so yes he does get out of the swamp,
A would be covered in RNY throughout the fight, his raiton would negate the jutsu, and seeing how he has full intel, it will certainly be his way of countering the jutsu,

Frog Call is evaded, the jutsus range really isnt that vast, as A is more than capable of evading the range through his body flicker

Lol, what? His only way to win is Frog Song, yet he has the means to immobilize or slow down Ay, and he has the output strong enough to kill him in one shot? Come on now.

its quite debatable whether his normal rasengans could kill A,

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all A needs is one liger bomb, and jiraiya dies, not to mention that apart from frog call, which is evaded, jiraiya has no way of immobilising A, and if he does try to come close, then he would get blitzed and beheaded

Ay doesn't stand a chance against any Sage Mode user at their peak in this manga.

Jiraiya is not reacting to his speed, if A lands a liger bomb which he is very capable of doing so, then jiraiya dies, its as simple as that

 

[warlee]

I respect hotspots but he is not beating ay except in the forest.