[VS] Jiraiya VS 3rd Raikage

[RicardoA]

What are those reasons exactly?

1) Its needs quite a lot of prep which is something that is commonly forgotten (or should i claim ignored) around here.

2) Reveals the users position, leaving Jiraiya even more vulnerable w/o Ma and Pa's help. Not that their presence would make any difference because none of them can keep up, hurt or keep the the 3rd way.

3) Jiraiya also had a plan which worked on the Paths', but the Raikage is different. He doesn't care about Katon and much less Doton, making it impossible to make time for Ma and Pa.

4) Assuming he could pull it off. He still can't hurt the Raikage. What's your point?

 

[Beans2]

Except, they won't but him enough time, something I've already explained. I completely get your point, but its not happening here. Jiraiya can't summon toads, use clones, and use Yomi Numa all at the same time, so in between each distraction, the Raikage gets closer and closer to him, or he goes around all of them and keeps going straight for Jiraiya. Meaning that he either never gets into the Toad, or he dies once the toad is killed, cause he isn't going to get inside and transform before the Raikage kills it from 40 meters away, not when he can attack from 40 meters away with Black Lightning.

There are no rocks in the Kage Summit Building where Ay and Sasuke fought, just pure concrete. A rock is going to look out of place in a building full of pure concrete. Not to mention the Raikage will see the toad transforming, meaning that he'll know which rock it is from the get go.

Look at it this way: the starting distance is 40 meters, right? And how long does it take Jiraiya to weave the signs to summon a toad? About 3-4 seconds max. So the Raikage activates his raiton armour and starts to run towards Jiraiya while Jiraiya summons Gamabunta. Let's say at this point the raikage has traversed 20 meters at this point, which is being generous considering he needs to activate his armour first (keep in mind that the 3rd isn't nearly as fast as Ay, considering Dodai reacted to his blitz) Then Jiraiya tells Bunta to jump, and now Bunta is in the air. While in midair Jiraiya summons a smaller frog which he slips inside of and transforms into a rock. Bunta crashes back down onto the ground, smashing the ground and sending rocks/debris everywhere. Raikage kills Bunta but can't find Jiraiya and has no clue where he is. A rock won't look out of place since the Raikage and Bunta already altered the location enough to the point where there are rocks everywhere.

Making Jiraiya start in Sage Mode makes things even easier, since Shima can spit out her dust cloud and obscure the Raikage's vision.

 

[KidGamer65]

Look at it this way: the starting distance is 40 meters, right? And how long does it take Jiraiya to weave the signs to summon a toad? About 3-4 seconds max. So the Raikage activates his raiton armour and starts to run towards Jiraiya while Jiraiya summons Gamabunta. Let's say at this point the raikage has traversed 20 meters at this point, which is being generous considering he needs to activate his armour first (keep in mind that the 3rd isn't nearly as fast as Ay, considering Dodai reacted to his blitz) Then Jiraiya tells Bunta to jump, and now Bunta is in the air. While in midair Jiraiya summons a smaller frog which he slips inside of and transforms into a rock. Bunta crashes back down onto the ground, smashing the ground and sending rocks/debris everywhere. Raikage kills Bunta but can't find Jiraiya and has no clue where he is. A rock won't look out of place since the Raikage and Bunta already altered the location enough to the point where there are rocks everywhere.

Making Jiraiya start in Sage Mode makes things even easier, since Shima can spit out her dust cloud and obscure the Raikage's vision.

The first part of your post is irrelevant since the Raikage doesn't need to charge at Jiraiya to attack him. He can attack with Black Lightning, from Long Range, which I have mentioned for the third time now. And do you even know where they are?

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Toads would barely fit in here, if they'd even fit all. Them jumping high enough to come back down with enough force to smash the ground isn't happening. So any transformation is rendered moot. Not to mention there isn't any proof that Jiraiya can transform a toad from the inside out. He can transform himself, sure, but a toad? While he's inside it? No.

But you have a point with the bold.

 

[Apêx1]

Which black lightning jutsu are you talking about exactly? I agree that Sandaime Raikage wins this mid diff, but I don't see which black lightning technique you are granting him nor do I see reason for him to gain access to Darui's Black lightning Panther.

 

[Xlad]

3rd Raikage wins.

 

[ARGUS]

Third Raikage wins this

--Jiriaya has no way of hurting him at all. On top of the fact that regardless of his SM, he is still slower than him meaning that the third can kill him off with hell stab

--Frog call is not doing shit, since Jiriaya would still need to land the blow to finish him, which clearly won't be enough to even scratch his RNY, and frog song is simply not happening

--Summons such as gamabunta get eradicated by the thirds nukite. And are simply not doing shit

 

[KidGamer65]

Which black lightning jutsu are you talking about exactly? I agree that Sandaime Raikage wins this mid diff, but I don't see which black lightning technique you are granting him nor do I see reason for him to gain access to Darui's Black lightning Panther.

Because he is the one who taught it to him. Can't teach a jutsu that you don't know.

 

[Apêx1]

Because he is the one who taught it to him. Can't teach a jutsu that you don't know.

He taught him black lightning in specific. Nothing implied he taught him the variations of it. Only because Naruto learned Rasengan from Jiraiya doesn't mean Jiraiya knows all the variations Naruto has created. Black lightning is the mere unique element, the techniques one can do off of it aren't limited to black panther, nor is such insinuated.

 

[KidGamer65]

He taught him black lightning in specific. Nothing implied he taught him the variations of it. Only because Naruto learned Rasengan from Jiraiya doesn't mean Jiraiya knows all the variations Naruto has created. Black lightning is the mere unique element, the techniques one can do off of it aren't limited to black panther, nor is such insinuated.

Okay. Point taken.

 

[super yang]

jiraiya changes dimensions, gets into sage mode & wins.

frog song + enchanted swords
or frog call stun + sage enhanced lion mane rips his throat out of his mouth
or clone feint -> toad shadow possession -> make raikage stab himself
or drown & boil him alive in Goemon(or acid lake) after frog lobotomy(shimas tongue thru his eye->brain)

 

[Beans2]

Because he is the one who taught it to him. Can't teach a jutsu that you don't know.

So I guess Jiraiya knows all of Konan's paper techniques too

OT: Can't believe that I used to think Jiraiya would win this.

 

[KidGamer65]

So I guess Jiraiya knows all of Konan's paper techniques too

OT: Can't believe that I used to think Jiraiya would win this.

Did he teach her those? Or did he help her develop them? Two different things btw.

 

[Beans2]

Did he teach her those? Or did he help her develop them? Two different things btw.

She was using them as a kid so yes

 

[KidGamer65]

She was using them as a kid so yes

Yes to which one? Cause I think, he only helped her train to develop her skills with the paper jutsu.

 

[Conspirator.]

Raikage stomps.