Jiraiya one shotted two different Akatsuki members - stop underrating

[Prince Charles]

Clearly you have the maturity of a toddler if you have to resort to name calling during a discussion. Fact is Itachi said and he and Kisame ran away and left Konoha. What lies has he told? Any time these characters lie it is to deceive the opponent and win, not run away. The fact that Itachi said it and ran away is the confirmation of its truth.

idk hes been lieing to sasuke he's whole life?

fact is itachi is a known and said that stuff because he didnt want to start trouble in the leaf thats hes been protecting his whole life.

:sy: seriously ask anyone on her that isnt a noob theyll tell you the same thing :sy:

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

nope just because something doesnt have form doesnt mean it cant take form.

You just said no. Come up with a more compelling answer or don't answer at all. The Yata Mirror has never been shown to take any other shape than what has been shown. Same for the Totsuka Blade. The Yata Mirror is a large round shield. The Totsuka Blade is a liquid like sword from a sake jar.

Stop making assumptions just because you THINK something can be different than what has been obviously shown in the manga.

 

[Prince Charles]

You just said no. Come up with a more compelling answer or don't answer at all. The Yata Mirror has never been shown to take any other shape than what has been shown. Same for the Totsuka Blade. The Yata Mirror is a large round shield. The Totsuka Blade is a liquid like sword from a sake jar.

Stop making assumptions just because you THINK something can be different than what has been obviously shown in the manga.

because it hasnt shown it taking other forms/shapes.

im going by the DB it saids the yata can change EVERY ONE of its properties since when can't you include form/shape as a property? U_U

explain chakra? it has no form yet it still take on form can't it? or can it not?

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

not an assumption its a fact.

chakra doesnt have form but it still TAKE FORM.

same rule applies to yata mirror

db saids the yata can change every one if its properties im pretty sure
form/shape is included in properties

You are pretty sure yet it hasn't been shown in the manga.

Chakra for a certain jutsu always take on the same form. Water dragon looks like a dragon. Fireball is a ball. Kirin looks like the legendary creature ect. The mirror is the same. Yata Mirror takes a form in the physical world as a round shield. Until shown otherwise, then this is fact.

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

because it hasnt shown it taking other forms/shapes.

im going by the DB it saids the yata can change EVERY ONE of its properties since when can't you include form/shape as a property? U_U

explain chakra? it has no form yet it still take on form can't it? or can it not?

The data book states that it is imbued with all nature transformations and then states that because of that it can change its characteristics. You are reading out of context.

I just explained the chakra thing.

 

[Unbiased]

You are pretty sure yet it hasn't been shown in the manga.

Chakra for a certain jutsu always take on the same form. Water dragon looks like a dragon. Fireball is a ball. Kirin looks like the legendary creature ect. The mirror is the same. Yata Mirror takes a form in the physical world as a round shield. Until shown otherwise, then this is fact.

He's set on this mindset that whatever he types is plausible no matter what the circumstance. It seems pointless to try and argue.

 

[Prince Charles]

The data book states that it is imbued with all nature transformations and then states that because of that it can change its characteristics. You are reading out of context.

I just explained the chakra thing.

nope chakra by itself is just plain old chakra with no form.

the user manipulates it to give it form.

it starts off with no form then it gains it.

question form/shape can't be included with the properties of science?

 

[Unbiased]

nope chakra by itself is just plain old chakra with no form.

the user manipulates it to give it form.

it starts off with no form then it gains it.

question form/shape can't be included with the properties of science?

Chakra by itself is spiritual and physical energy moulded. Chakra is not without form, as we have seen pure chakra before in the hiruzen and orochimaru fight for example and naruto vs orochimaru. Your argument is invalid.

Although chakra is usually invisible, those with certain dōjutsu, like the Sharingan, Rinnegan or Byakugan, can see the colour of someone's chakra. Each person's chakra apparently has a different colour. It is also interesting to note the fact that sufficiently immense amounts of chakra are visible to the naked eye.

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[Q of the Sharingan]

@Unbiased: I see that but you should know that I am stubborn and I will force what I think is true down people's throats lol

@Prince Charles: Chakra by itself is just old chakra but in order for it to gain form it must be shaped by the shinobi depending on the jutsu.

The Yata Mirror is the same, except it is like physical existence shapes it. Again it has only been shown to take one shape in the PHYSICAL world. It might be different in the spiritual. And there is a reason that it is called the Yata Mirror, not the Yata armor. If it could change shape then users of it would simply have it cover the entirety of their body instead of having to change its shape on the go.

And elaborate on your question about properties of science for me.

 

[kral]

show me in the manga where itachi fought jiraiya.

you must dont understand what plot no jutsu means.

plot- storyplan. with no storyplan, no eyes for sasuke from itachi at least.

and none of what your saying is relvent. because its plot no jutsu:sy:

stop trolling. im not replying

because you clearly are a troll.


underlined.- :sy::sy::sy:

Forgive me if i was wrong but to use sasano u need an Ms in both eyes. To use izangi/izami u loose an eye therefore u wouldn't b able to use sasano anymore. Since each eye does its own unique thing that means if he would loose 1 ability and sasano if he were to use those techs. That's my point.

 

[9th Raikage]

idk hes been lieing to sasuke he's whole life?

fact is itachi is a known and said that stuff because he didnt want to start trouble in the leaf thats hes been protecting his whole life.

:sy: seriously ask anyone on her that isnt a noob theyll tell you the same thing :sy:

Lying to sasuke is totally diff from lying in battle. Those lies would serve totally different purposes. Itachi has not lied in battle and has been honest about his capabilities. He knew to avoid Jiraiya at all cost bc he knew the consequences. End of story.

Itachi doesnt have the stamina to go toe to toe with Jiraiya. Jiraiya has huge chakra reserves and can battle for a long time. Itachi doesnt and is in pain as soon as he uses susanoo/amaterasu. And you cant possibly think Itachi is powerful enough to easily and quickly kill Jiraiya.

The major advatage Jiraiya has is that Itachi has low endurance. With sage mode Jiraiya is constantly geting more chakra from ma and pa. By the time the battle ends Itachi will be completely blind with no sharingan or chakra left.

Once Jiraiya summons those big toads, ma and pa, and goes into sage mode. Kisame and Itachi would be done for. I will say Jiraiya would be injured and exhausted at the end of the battle but he would survive and recover.

 

[Prince Charles]

@Unbiased: I see that but you should know that I am stubborn and I will force what I think is true down people's throats lol

@Prince Charles: Chakra by itself is just old chakra but in order for it to gain form it must be shaped by the shinobi depending on the jutsu.

The Yata Mirror is the same, except it is like physical existence shapes it. Again it has only been shown to take one shape in the PHYSICAL world. It might be different in the spiritual. And there is a reason that it is called the Yata Mirror, not the Yata armor. If it could change shape then users of it would simply have it cover the entirety of their body instead of having to change its shape on the go.

And elaborate on your question about properties of science for me.

already know that.

once again do you include form/shape in properties? because i know i do. just answer this question nothing else

 

[festus 05]

Jiraiya will get owned by Itachi, no question. If you think otherwise there's something wrong with you

guy, itachi is a little scared of jiraiya; have u 4goten when he infiltrated konoha with kisame, in order 2 take naruto, when Ero senin arrived, itachi told him that he waz on another level. you certainly underrated jiraiya but not neglecting the fact that itachi is strong.

 

[Prince Charles]

Lying to sasuke is totally diff from lying in battle. Those lies would serve totally different purposes. Itachi has not lied in battle and has been honest about his capabilities. He knew to avoid Jiraiya at all cost bc he knew the consequences. End of story.

Itachi doesnt have the stamina to go toe to toe with Jiraiya. Jiraiya has huge chakra reserves and can battle for a long time. Itachi doesnt and is in pain as soon as he uses susanoo/amaterasu. And you cant possibly think Itachi is powerful enough to easily and quickly kill Jiraiya.

The major advatage Jiraiya has is that Itachi has low endurance. With sage mode Jiraiya is constantly geting more chakra from ma and pa. By the time the battle ends Itachi will be completely blind with no sharingan or chakra left.

Once Jiraiya summons those big toads, ma and pa, and goes into sage mode. Kisame and Itachi would be done for. I will say Jiraiya would be injured and exhausted at the end of the battle but he would survive and recover.

not really discussing this matter right now. about to get a science lesson

 

[Unbiased]

@Unbiased: I see that but you should know that I am stubborn and I will force what I think is true down people's throats lol

@Prince Charles: Chakra by itself is just old chakra but in order for it to gain form it must be shaped by the shinobi depending on the jutsu.

The Yata Mirror is the same, except it is like physical existence shapes it. Again it has only been shown to take one shape in the PHYSICAL world. It might be different in the spiritual. And there is a reason that it is called the Yata Mirror, not the Yata armor. If it could change shape then users of it would simply have it cover the entirety of their body instead of having to change its shape on the go.

And elaborate on your question about properties of science for me.

I know your stubborn i've debated with you before lol

 

[Unbiased]

not really discussing this matter right now. about to get a science lesson

Chakra by itself is spiritual and physical energy moulded. Chakra is not without form, as we have seen pure chakra before in the hiruzen and orochimaru fight for example and naruto vs orochimaru. Your argument is invalid.

Although chakra is usually invisible, those with certain dōjutsu, like the Sharingan, Rinnegan or Byakugan, can see the colour of someone's chakra. Each person's chakra apparently has a different colour. It is also interesting to note the fact that sufficiently immense amounts of chakra are visible to the naked eye.

 

[razinzell]

I think that 1v1 no knowledge Itachi would win just because he has too many powerful abilities. Maybe be J-man could pull it off but in most stuations Itachi>Jiraiya.

Just an observation, the people defending Itachi seem to use words like "lol, LMAO, kid, idiot , noob" and use faces like :flaw::sy: and it really annoys me

 

[Dantee]

I'm going to end this dum thread.

First there was a major major mistranslation which is fanbase blindly believe without question. As for the mistranslations here you go. Its a fact it was a mistranlation. A noteable nb user who speaks fluent japanese and english madea thread about it;

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Major, major, MAJOR mistake in chapter 144 regarding Itachi's quote about Jiraiya;

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The above translation is way off.

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Kisame - You could somehow win, but I couldn't stand up to such an opponent for more than a couple of minutes... It's on a completely different level.
Itachi - Ah... Either (we) both (he says both/two, meaning him and Kisame) would die, or it would be a draw... The result wouldn't change even if we increased our numbers.
Kisame - It was good that we found him at the ramen shop... And he has one of the Legendary Sannin as a lucky charm. That guy (Jiraiya) might be a fair match for the strongest Uchiha from Konoha and the Mist's strongest swordsman.
Itachi - Hmm, even so... It's said that every strong man has a weakness...

Kisame and Itachi were talking about the Kyuubi, not Jiraiya. Kisame brings the topic of Jiraiya up later on in the conversation and Itachi acknowledges that he's strong, but he says that he has a weakness. *girls girls girls*

It seems as if Kisame was babbling on about taking the Kyuubi on, that he couldn't do it more than a couple of minutes but Itachi would have a chance. Itachi states that they both wouldn't stand a chance of winning, even if they increased their numbers. Kisame states that it was lucky to find Naruto in the ramen shop but Jiraiya would pose a problem and Itachi just says; girls girls girls.

Peins hype-

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I think this is the page that has got everyone overhyped about his abilities.

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Seriously? xd Jiraya beating Pein. Jiraya had difficulty before sage mode just dealing with the Animal Paths. The environment also was made up of hiding places to allow him to enter sage mode.

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If Pein has started with all 6 or just the DEVA PATH Jiraya would have not lasted 5 minutes.

They way I interpret this page was that if Jiraya knew our secret maybe he would have got his ass out of here and looked for the real Nagato.

 

[Prince Charles]

Chakra by itself is spiritual and physical energy moulded. Chakra is not without form, as we have seen pure chakra before in the hiruzen and orochimaru fight for example and naruto vs orochimaru. Your argument is invalid.

Although chakra is usually invisible, those with certain dōjutsu, like the Sharingan, Rinnegan or Byakugan, can see the colour of someone's chakra. Each person's chakra apparently has a different colour. It is also interesting to note the fact that sufficiently immense amounts of chakra are visible to the naked eye.

one question

do you consider form/shape a property?

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

already know that.

once again do you include form/shape in properties? because i know i do. just answer this question nothing else

Form and shape are included in physical properties. You are reading out context.

Here is the translated section for Yata Mirror's description: "Yata no Kagami (Mirror of Yata) - An incorporeal shield. It possesses all the chakra qualities (elements) and is able to render any attack vain by changing its own quality accordingly." Right before it states that the shield can change its onw qualities it talks about chakra. That means it can change its chakra qualities (elemental composition) to deflect all attacks. Read the entire sentence and don't leave things out for the sake of your argument.