Jiraiya one shotted two different Akatsuki members - stop underrating

[kakashiboy]

Jaraiya would beat itachi because once his Susanoo is done itachi is finish it takes alot of chakra to use itachi power jaraiya>itachi. Edo itachi > everyone

 

[Unbiased]

all i got to say about prince charles is

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i lmfao thur out this whole post

I second this.

 

[Itachi Minato]

this. is why "giant toad' cant be summoned.



this. dont think anyone knew of itachis susanno weps, and dont know if he knew izanagi, izamai back then. and if were really going off plot then shishu eye ka.

your uchiea haters are tellin me sm jiraya could overcome all this? when dm kabuto couldnt:sy:



itachi>jiraiya

sasuke>orochimaru

i can troll too:sy:

read above quotes. add in all those forrbidden genjutsu.



kay but kishi also isnt perfect, hiw words conflict with the manga so much.

cant see sm jiraiya beating izanagi,izamai, shishu ka

sussanno 100% sheild, sealing blade.

jiraiya would be on the defense till he got killed.

no gamabuto because he would get burnt and sealed within 2mins lol.. this is a fact. gamabuto has the speed of acadamy choji lmao. just no where near the speed to dodge amatersu.

or if itachi really wanted to get him he would stab and seal.

i think dm kabuto> sm jiraiya

jiraiya would be overpowered because he could use his summons unlike he did for pain. well he could but high risk of itachi grilling frog legs tonite.



son of odin is a sad troll.

nothing he says is important.

because its all uchiha<

and calling everyone a fanboy

then replying to links of proof, saying

"your just a sasugay "

lol ur the biggest troll i know
. Who says itachi has izanagi?i agree that itachi is stronger than jayman but dont bring up shit he dont have

 

[Prince Charles]

That was a poor, rushed response filled with assumptions and faulty notions. Next time, I’d advise you to bring along some facts instead of irrelevant questions because otherwise I see no reason to respond.





The databooks are relevant and are considered canon, same with the manga, plus it can’t get more valid that raw data/numbers. What made you question Orochimaro’s genjutsu abilities? Itachi himself realized that his genjutsu wouldn’t work, which is why he cut off his hand and released the jutsu. Orochimaro was also surprised he was caught in one, with good reason, since he broke Sasuke’s version while being practically dead.

Itachi had 5 in genjutsu, yet he was still caught by Kurenai. Just because you are a master genjutsu practitioner doesn’t mean you can’t get caught. I fail to see your point other than, falsely, discrediting Orochimaro. Or perhaps you’re implying that Orochimaro and Jiraiya fight the same or have the same mindset, which would be even worse.

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Now, you are misquoting Itachi, great. Itachi is not sure about the outcome, even with just him and Kisame he’s merely commenting on Jiraiya’s strength, and with his extensive knowledge I wouldn’t be surprised if he knew about sage mode (e.g. frog song). Kisame standing next to him pretty much said the same thing (doubted whether or not Itachi could take him on), so are you questioning him also? Finally, could you tell me where other Akatsuki members were mentioned in the posted scan above? Are you a mind reader? Thought so…



If you read the post you’d noticed that I said that Itachi could not afford to fight Jiraiya, especially if he ever wanted to face Sasuke like he promised. Thus, he probably exaggerated a little when he mentioned other people, or him and Kisame for that matter, but the facts remain; Itachi felt Jiraiya was a real threat and realized there was a likely scenario involving him dying in the confrontation (win or lose).More importantly the quotes stay the same.




It doesn’t matter what I think. Did you not see Kisame trying to chop off Naruto’s leg? Or is it something i’m imagining? Did Itachi not give the thumps up regarding the desired deaths of Kakashi and his buddies? Stop trying to deny facts to suit your arguments. I mean, conjecture all over the place.

Itachi personally recruited a 9 year old terrorist, Deidara. Itachi indirectly killed several tailed beast hosts by lending chakra to Pain, and he personally guaranteed that he’d weaken Konoha if he found out that Sasuke was killed. Danzo is an elder a big political figure within Konoha yet that didn’t matter to Itachi, at all. He also was responsible for what Sasuke became. What is my point? Itachi did whatever he deemed necessary both in regards to his cover, but also his own agenda.




How does that change anything that occurred prior to that? The intentions, actions, etc., were all there and the end result won’t change that.

Itachi is not evil he won’t kill for the fun of it. He knew backup would arrive, to help the jounins, he couldn’t fight Kakashi without MS, which meant he had to waste a Tsukuyomi. It resulted in him draining his chakra reserves and needing to retreat.



I hope you didn’t say that with a straight face :| because any credibility of yours will cease to exist. Do you want me to pull off the data book stats? I could save you the trouble and reveal that the number is 2.5.

2.your acting like jman is the only genious here, itachi can also breakdown jman's weaknesses and form a plan? are you not?

When did I do that? I explicitly said that they are even. Read again. This time slowly, since changing the subject won’t do anything other than make you look bad. Itachi and Jiraiya have two completely different styles, and the way Jiraiya is crucial here, because it will be necessary against the top tier guys.




Lmao, don’t make me laugh. Naruto, the guy with the worst genjutsu defense in the world, almost broke it and got a compliment for Itachi. Inexperience was the only reason he didn’t break it, first time ever tried it, and Jiraiya would laugh it off. Can you please show me anywhere else he used that against suitable opposition or even entertained the idea. A databook description would also go a long way.

Btw, I mentioned several ways for Jiraiya to avoid genjutsu.




How so? Everything I mention is canon, I said that they could both beat each other and luck will be a big part of who will be victorious.



I like how you conveniently left out the page where Tobi stated that Itachi only got as far as the fail part. How is Itachi smart for not discovering Tobi’s secrets? He didn’t even know the true identity of Tobi even though he trained under him, served under him, even had long term deal with this man. Instead Tobi played him for a fool/tool and got to Sasuke with ease, Itachi’s precious brother, with ease.

Pain is also stronger than Pre-rinnegan Tobi, so Jiraiya’s quote will always mean more.

ive been on this thread for hours now so excuse if my posts seems sloppy


The databooks are relevant and are considered canon, same with the manga, plus it can’t get more valid that raw data/numbers. What made you question Orochimaro’s genjutsu abilities? Itachi himself realized that his genjutsu wouldn’t work, which is why he cut off his hand and released the jutsu. Orochimaro was also surprised he was caught in one, with good reason, since he broke Sasuke’s version while being practically dead.

i was referring to the fact that even tho orochimaru had a 5 in genjutsu he still managed to get pwned by one~ thats me saying the databook numbers dont always apply in certain situation im not saying i dont agree with them im saying they dont always apply.

Itachi had 5 in genjutsu, yet he was still caught by Kurenai. Just because you are a master genjutsu practitioner doesn’t mean you can’t get caught. I fail to see your point other than, falsely, discrediting Orochimaro. Or perhaps you’re implying that Orochimaro and Jiraiya fight the same or have the same mindset, which would be even worse.

itachi getting caught by kureni means nothing considering the fact he got out of it with low diff unlike orochimaru

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Now, you are misquoting Itachi, great. Itachi is not sure about the outcome, even with just him and Kisame he’s merely commenting on Jiraiya’s strength, and with his extensive knowledge I wouldn’t be surprised if he knew about sage mode (e.g. frog song). Kisame standing next to him pretty much said the same thing (doubted whether or not Itachi could take him on), so are you questioning him also? Finally, could you tell me where other Akatsuki members were mentioned in the posted scan above? Are you a mind reader? Thought so…

itachi said even with back up the outcome probably would still be the same ? i believe? that means even with the other akatsuki members they may not even make a difference? do you agree with itachi's words?

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even kisame was amazed by why itachi left

If you read the post you’d noticed that I said that Itachi could not afford to fight Jiraiya, especially if he ever wanted to face Sasuke like he promised. Thus, he probably exaggerated a little when he mentioned other people, or him and Kisame for that matter, but the facts remain; Itachi felt Jiraiya was a real threat and realized there was a likely scenario involving him dying in the confrontation (win or lose).More importantly the quotes stay the same.

why would itachi feel a threat when kisame is also by his side?
like i said itachi wanted to protect the leaf why would he want to kill off a sannin that would make him a hypocrite, the same reason why he did kill kakashi:sy:

It doesn’t matter what I think. Did you not see Kisame trying to chop off Naruto’s leg? Or is it something i’m imagining? Did Itachi not give the thumps up regarding the desired deaths of Kakashi and his buddies? Stop trying to deny facts to suit your arguments. I mean, conjecture all over the place.

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trying? he didnt even try he put his hand on his sword handle thats it.

how do we know he was being serious? he could of been scaring naruto a little bit and shaking him up.

Itachi personally recruited a 9 year old terrorist, Deidara. Itachi indirectly killed several tailed beast hosts by lending chakra to Pain, and he personally guaranteed that he’d weaken Konoha if he found out that Sasuke was killed. Danzo is an elder a big political figure within Konoha yet that didn’t matter to Itachi, at all. He also was responsible for what Sasuke became. What is my point? Itachi did whatever he deemed necessary both in regards to his cover, but also his own agenda.

if he didnt cooperate he's cover would of most likely been blown or they would of killed him.IF he didnt do what they said what if they went after the leaf?

Itachi is not evil he won’t kill for the fun of it. He knew backup would arrive, to help the jounins, he couldn’t fight Kakashi without MS, which meant he had to waste a Tsukuyomi. It resulted in him draining his chakra reserves and needing to retreat.


ok?

When did I do that? I explicitly said that they are even. Read again. This time slowly, since changing the subject won’t do anything other than make you look bad. Itachi and Jiraiya have two completely different styles, and the way Jiraiya is crucial here, because it will be necessary against the top tier guys.


it seemed to me you were being a bit biased towards jirayia in your other post.

Lmao, don’t make me laugh. Naruto, the guy with the worst genjutsu defense in the world, almost broke it and got a compliment for Itachi. Inexperience was the only reason he didn’t break it, first time ever tried it, and Jiraiya would laugh it off. Can you please show me anywhere else he used that against suitable opposition or even entertained the idea. A databook description would also go a long way.

almost broke it? rofl no he didnt, itachi said he grew but he's still weak GTFO

I like how you conveniently left out the page where Tobi stated that Itachi only got as far as the fail part. How is Itachi smart for not discovering Tobi’s secrets? He didn’t even know the true identity of Tobi even though he trained under him, served under him, even had long term deal with this man. Instead Tobi played him for a fool/tool and got to Sasuke with ease, Itachi’s precious brother, with ease.

i didnt conviently leave out nothing, ok? kisame doesnt even know his true identity your point noob?

my point in posting that scan was to say if he did know his secretes like if jirayia knew pain secretes at first itachi would of owned tobi most likely,tobi even saids he would be dead right now think before you reply to me noob.

the rest of the stuff you said isnt worth replying back to.

 

[Unbiased]

You haven't told me about your fantasy of how the yata mirror takes form prince charles. How do you propose its going to take form even though the databook says its without form.

 

[HiddenSound]

itachi>jiraiya

sasuke>orochimaru

i can troll too:sy:

read above quotes. add in all those forrbidden genjutsu.

*sigh* Uchiha fanboy, huh? I said Jiraiya has the potential to beat Jiraiya, they are equal you arrogant prick. How on earth was that trolling? Do you even know what that is?
Itachi=Jiraiya, it could go either way.
@bold, trying to flame? Yeah, Uchiha fanboys tend to do that.

 

[Icelerate]

If we go by manga logic than Itachi is invincible, Jman can beat Pain with knowledge and Jman can beat the entire Akatsuki by himself which contradicts the statement that Itachi is invincible.

Jiraiya is on the same tier as A, Gaara, Orochimaru and Kakuzu. Itachi is on the same tier as Minato, Sasuke, Muu and Killer Bee. There is a pretty deep gap between Jman and Itachi. Saying all of this, sage mode Jiraiya has a chance against sick Itachi but he would still lose because he has no counter for amaterasu and/or tsukiyomi.

 

[uchiha28]

A 3 year old with Amaterasu could kill Hashirama.

 

[HiddenSound]

A 3 year old with Amaterasu could kill Hashirama.

:sy:

 

[kral]

not a fan of itachi, so you and your but buddies stop spamming fanboys

and if you slow your reading down. you see i said w/o plot no jutsu.

they wouldnt even be fighting w/o plot no jutsu so all the cards are on both hands.

summary

you fail.:flaw::sy:

Its not plot no jutsu because it was always itachi scheme to give sauske his eyes. N how do u know he could use ka. Maybe it wasnt ready? I'm juz stating evidence based purely on what itachi character is like.
Another fail is if he used izangi(of he even can) or izami then he looses sasano n aall the legendary items he had plus it would take away either ama or tsycoyomi since 1 eye would close he wouldnt risk it no matter the perril

 

[OWanime]

thank you that means that both of them are on the same level and as of the latest data books they have the highest rankings but never fought because they were both good and even pein said he would've lost if he hadn't kept his powers a secret

 

[Prince Charles]

You haven't told me about your fantasy of how the yata mirror takes form prince charles. How do you propose its going to take form even though the databook says its without form.

chakra doesn't have form yet still takes on form sigh... I'm done here my mom wants to go on Facebook so ill be back later to debate

 

[Unbiased]

chakra doesn't have form yet still takes on form sigh... I'm done here my mom wants to go on Facebook so ill be back later to debate

How does it take form though, you directly ignored my question on how the yata mirror is going to take form, even though the databook says its without form.

 

[Pizcobaby]

Itachi's own words: They'd end up killing eachother if they fought.

Itachi was modest in all sense of the means. Not only did he lie about his knowledge and abilities more than once, but he would constantly use the smallest amount of effort to take on very powerful ninja. In reality he would probably beat jiraiya hi diff. I mean they are both top 10's but I just think Itachi is slightly more capable of offing Jiraiya then visa versa.

 

[minatofan234]

jiraiya is so underrated itachi himself said that if they fought they would kill each other jiraiya ws able to fend off itachi and kisame at teh same time he is not weak

 

[Prince Charles]

How does it take form though, you directly ignored my question on how the yata mirror is going to take form, even though the databook says its without form.

sigh.. the yata mirror would take the form based on the attack it going to block.

once again chakra is without form yet it can still take form

why cant you understand what im saying? :sy:

just because something doesn't have form doesn't mean it can take form.

that means the yata mirror can take the form of something but it would go back to its original state being formless...

its not that hard to comprehend... :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy:

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

Really late on this thread but the OP says Jiraiya one shotted Kisame. That didn't happen... Just because he got the toad stomach around Kisame doesn't mean he one shotted him.

 

[9th Raikage]

Itachi states that the best he and Kisame could hope for against Jiraiya is a draw. Pain states that if Jiraiya knew the secret of his technique he could not have defeated Jiriaya.

Obviously Jiraiya would win against Itachi alone if he and Kisame together could only get a draw.

Also we never saw everything that Jiraiya could do. In the Sanin battle he was poisoned and none of his attackes were as powerful or large scale as they normally are. In the battle with Pain we saw what he could do and he took out 2 pains. That speaks volumes in and of it self. The only reason any one could battle Pain (Kakashi, Naruto, etc...) is bc Jiraiya gave them the intel needed on his abilities.

Itachi does have Tsukiyomi but genjutsu can be broken when someone else forces their chakra into you which the geezer frog and his wife would have done if Jiraiya were caught in Tsukiyomi. Lets not forget that Jiraiya and the frogs used a Rank A genjutsu on Pain and could do the same to Itachi. I'd like to see itachi get out of a genjutsu (Maybe he could, maybe he couldnt).

Jiraiya has already shown that he can handle Amaterasu. What other shinobi in Naruto can seal or put out those flames other than Sasuke and Jiraiya? Not even Itachi could do that.

Susanoo and the yatta mirror and that sealing sword (what ever its called) are great assets for itachi. This would make the battle worth watching and prevent Jiraiya from having an easy victory, but Itachi's inability to hold the technique and Jiraiya's huge chakra reserve, stamina, and toad techniques like toad gourd prison and the fact that his fire techniques combined with with toad oil are stronger than Itachi's fire techniques grant him a victory in this battle, though he would not win easily by any mean.

Jiraiya is arguably the strongest shinobi in the series outside of Edo Madara.

I would love to see him battle Orochimaru 1 on 1 both at full strength. Oro would lose but I would love to see all the techniques they would use.

 

[Unbiased]

sigh.. the yata mirror would take the form based on the attack it going to block.

once again chakra is without form yet it can still take form

why cant you understand what im saying? :sy:

just because something doesn't have form doesn't mean it can take form.

that means the yata mirror can take the form of something but it would go back to its original state being formless...

its not that hard to comprehend... :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy:

Wrong.

The databook stated the yata mirror changes its properties and attributes based on the attack. It also said it was without form. With that being said, even though it is without form, it changes its properties to nullify an attack. That means that it is simply blocking the attack, not changing shape. I understand what your saying, it just doesn't add up to the facts the databook gives us.

Regardless your just making an assumption. Its a nice idea, but according to the databook your wrong.

 

[Prince Charles]

Itachi states that the best he and Kisame could hope for against Jiraiya is a draw. Pain states that if Jiraiya knew the secret of his technique he could not ave defeated Jiriaya.

Obviously Jiraiya would win against Itachi alaone if he and Kisame together could only get a draw.

Also we never saw everything that Jiraiya could do. In the Sanin battle he was poisoned and none of his attacked were as powerful or large scale as they normally are. In the battle with Pain we saw what he could do and he took out 2 pains. That speaks volumes in and of it self. The only reason any one could battle Pain (Kakashi, Naruto, etc...) is bc Jiraiya gave them the intel needed on his abilities.

Itachi does have Tsukiyomi but genjutsu can be broken when someone else forces their chakra into you which the geezer frog and his wife would have done if Jiraiya were caught in Tsukiyomi. Lets not forget that Jiraiya and the frogs used a Rank A genjutsu on Pain and could do the same to Itachi. I'd like to see itachi get out of a genjutsu (Maybe he could, maybe he couldnt).

Jiraiya has already shown that he can handle Amaterasu. What other shinobi in Naruto can seal or put out those flames other than Sasuke and Jiraiya? Not even Itachi could do that.

Susanoo and the yatta mirror and that sealing sword (what ever its called) are great assets for itachi. This would make the battle worth watching and prevent Jiraiya from having an easy victory, but Itachi's inability to hold the technique and Jiraiya's huge chakra reserve, stamina, and toad techniques like toad gourd prison and the fact that his fire techniques combined with with toad oil are stronger than Itachi's fire techniques grant him a victory in this battle, though he would not win easily by any mean.

Jiraiya is arguably the strongest shinobi in the series outside of Edo Madara.

I would love to see him battle Orochimaru 1 on 1 both at full strength. Oro would lose but I would love to see all the techniques they would use.

you seriously think the best itachi and kisame can do id draw against 1 person?

i must say your a idiot if you think that