Jiraiya one shotted two different Akatsuki members - stop underrating

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Prince Charles

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Wow dude.
Ok so as already pointed out ma n pa r attached yo jman. Anyone gets in genjutsu they just release it. It doesn't take jman that long tto go into it. Gambunta can travel incredible distances fast so ur saying the blade extends forever as is ur original argument? Plus itachi has to fight 5 toad summons plus any jmans attacks. Jman has high speeds and coats him with toad oil n itachi dies.
U don't have the Magna proof to show that itachi was lying cuz he wasn't.
itachi is not greater then jman

Really. The frogs don't wield weapons. You man he will kill him by hands, and I doubt they will get genjusted. They are linked to each other FFs. You disturb the chakra flow = you get out I genjutsu , didn't you see when Sakura did it to naruto in destroy leaf part 1. And when they are linked to each ( thus that's why he is able to stay in SM forever ) it will be hard to catch in genjutsu, I mean If one of the frogs got tsukyomied j-man would notice and unsummon him. Itachi will lose loads of chakra and jirayia will lose nothing.

@kral itachi puts pa into a genjutsu and makes pa kill jman.

sigh i dont know how long it can extend for but i do it can extend a pretty fair long distance.

itachi's yata mirror protects him, the yata mirror has the ability to change its form and characteristics to render any attack useless, itachi had a 360 degree defence

itachi is also fast in handseals he can copy jirayias jutsu thats his same element to counter jman's.

and itachi simply ama's the toads.

@randombody they dont wield weps but whats stomping pa was plucking out his eyes or anything else?

1. answer me how does jirayia get prep time to go into sage mode?
 

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For the Amaretsu being instant, i would rather go with evidence instead of someone's opinion of it so i'm going to remain undecided (it would be ignorant to go with either side)

But i stand by my point Jiraiya isn't fodder compared to Itachi

ofc he isnt fodder but jman outclasses him.

why not go with zetsu's opinion? its basically kishi's word anyway isnt it?

why would zetsu lie about it? he obviously has knowledge on it so why not believe him? thats a weak argument tbh.
 

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Sorry Prince Charles, I would love to debate you, but doing it via my
Phone is hard. I will wait to later if this post is still going.
 

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@kral itachi puts pa into a genjutsu and makes pa kill jman.

sigh i dont know how long it can extend for but i do it can extend a pretty fair long distance.

itachi's yata mirror protects him, the yata mirror has the ability to change its form and characteristics to render any attack useless, itachi had a 360 degree defence

itachi is also fast in handseals he can copy jirayias jutsu thats his same element to counter jman's.

and itachi simply ama's the toads.

@randombody they dont wield weps but whats stomping pa was plucking out his eyes or anything else?

1. answer me how does jirayia get prep time to go into sage mode?

So ur saying that itachi can copy toad oil???????? Lmao! Also prep time he can move n run n jump n do everything else he normally can juz can't use hand signs.
Also again all 3 tied together they juz disrupt each others chakra.
N how do u know itachi can get full protection and not get some oil on him. Its not proven that at beginning of fight jman can't get it on him while itachi is busy fighting toad summons n then hits him with fire. Or traps him in the mountain toads belly to give himself prep time. He has
 

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This thread fails. If you knew the real translation and what Kisame really meant you wouldn't be spouting such non sense.
 

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U guys just lyk elongating issues,itachi himself said dey wil end up killin each oda,so wat else.
 

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I will just post my thoughts from one of my previous threads:

Kishi made it painfully obvious that these two Kage-level fighters are equals. Yet a lot of people choose, on purpose or not, to underestimate Jiraiya when conversations regarding these two inevitable occur. I think fanboys aside; a lot of it has to do with the whole out of sight, out of mind mentality which isn’t unusual with all the awesome fights we have witnessed after Jiraiya’s death however the facts remain.

Databook scores: 35, 5 vs 35, 5.

They share the number one spot with the exact same score. They excel at each other’s weaknesses while they are also able to master the ability to shield their individual weaknesses e.g. by either entering special modes or by simply adapting their strategy accordingly. In essence they can both beat each other and most likely, most times, it would come down to minor details which would’ve otherwise been irrelevant (condition, surprise aspect, killing intent, etc). Kishi > speculation.

Itachi and Kisame’s infamous meeting with Jiraiya:

Kisame, one of the legendary swordsmen, directly admitted inferiority to Jiraiya, while Itachi claimed that he could only draw with him. These words were stated in the manga.To those who would argue that Itachi wouldn’t hurt anybody from Konoha, well, answer these questions:

Why did Itachi order Kakashi’s murder? Why did Itachi and Kisame go after Naruto? Why didn’t Itachi prevent Kisame from chopping off Naruto’s leg? Last I checked Itachi wasn’t a psychic, so until those questioned are answered nobody can trash the scan.Itachi feared he couldn't get to Sasuke, in one piece, if he engaged in an all out war with him.

Why Itachi can’t just one-shot him every time:

Besides the databook (and various statements made throughout the manga, e.g. Pain stating that Jiraiya could have won their epic battle), I will also like to point out that Jiraiya is an efficient counter fighter. His entire fighting style revolves around him being able to think on the spot, with his humongous /versatile arsenal, and successfully counter his opponent(s). This means that he won’t fight two different fighters the same, and he will specifically design his game plan around his opponent’s strength/weaknesses i.e. he will break down Itachi and realize that he should be worried about Itachi’s genjutsu. He would keep the battle long range, avoid eye contact, and last but not least summon toads and/or Kage bunshins which would raise his odds considerable e.g. Itachi would be hesitant to cast Tsukuyomi when he sees several clones in front of him, of course due to his poor chakra/health.

As I said, we have witnessed Jiraiya’s unique fighting style in a lot of different scenarios. He deduced Konan’s weakness in mere seconds and disposed of her like she was pure fodder. Which we know is false since she technically killed the most invincible man on the planet. He also knows when he is outmatched and when to actually revise your plan. Against the six path of pain he figured out the fact that he needed to separate them and actually meet them one-on –one, which is brilliant. He also realized that one of the paths could turn “invisible” so he decided to use a barrier that is able to detect movement. This again indicates, that Jiraiya can’t be caught with his pants down… unless in a bath house.

Itachi = Jiraiya
 

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ofc he isnt fodder but jman outclasses him.

why not go with zetsu's opinion? its basically kishi's word anyway isnt it?

why would zetsu lie about it? he obviously has knowledge on it so why not believe him? thats a weak argument tbh.

Zetsu's opinion doesn't match up with what we have seen. We saw amaterasu travel towards the 4th raikage, we saw amaterasu travel as it was trying to hit sasuke (which it did eventually).
 

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ofc he isnt fodder but jman outclasses him.

why not go with zetsu's opinion? its basically kishi's word anyway isnt it?

why would zetsu lie about it? he obviously has knowledge on it so why not believe him? thats a weak argument tbh.

yeah i agree that argument you just presented was weak

I guess we can take Tobi's word that he's Madara even though it defies logic

We can't take characters for their word as its still realistic in the sense they can be mistaken or lie about whatever they're claiming.
 

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So ur saying that itachi can copy toad oil???????? Lmao! Also prep time he can move n run n jump n do everything else he normally can juz can't use hand signs.
Also again all 3 tied together they juz disrupt each others chakra.
N how do u know itachi can get full protection and not get some oil on him. Its not proven that at beginning of fight jman can't get it on him while itachi is busy fighting toad summons n then hits him with fire. Or traps him in the mountain toads belly to give himself prep time. He has

nope im not saying that unless you can qoute me?

im saying if jman does any fire techs or water release itachi can simply copy the tech and perform it faster.

Also prep time he can move n run n jump n do everything else he normally can juz can't use hand signs.

seriously? worst argument from you yet... sigh and what is itachi going to do watch him and cheer him on? base jman can't dodge amaterasu or his genjutsu for that matter

itachi has great reaction time, he simply puts on his sussano to negate jmans attacks
 

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I will just post my thoughts from one of my previous threads:

Kishi made it painfully obvious that these two Kage-level fighters are equals. Yet a lot of people choose, on purpose or not, to underestimate Jiraiya when conversations regarding these two inevitable occur. I think fanboys aside; a lot of it has to do with the whole out of sight, out of mind mentality which isn’t unusual with all the awesome fights we have witnessed after Jiraiya’s death however the facts remain.

Databook scores: 35, 5 vs 35, 5.

They share the number one spot with the exact same score. They excel at each other’s weaknesses while they are also able to master the ability to shield their individual weaknesses e.g. by either entering special modes or by simply adapting their strategy accordingly. In essence they can both beat each other and most likely, most times, it would come down to minor details which would’ve otherwise been irrelevant (condition, surprise aspect, killing intent, etc). Kishi > speculation.

Itachi and Kisame’s infamous meeting with Jiraiya:

Kisame, one of the legendary swordsmen, directly admitted inferiority to Jiraiya, while Itachi claimed that he could only draw with him. These words were stated in the manga.To those who would argue that Itachi wouldn’t hurt anybody from Konoha, well, answer these questions:

Why did Itachi order Kakashi’s murder? Why did Itachi and Kisame go after Naruto? Why didn’t Itachi prevent Kisame from chopping off Naruto’s leg? Last I checked Itachi wasn’t a psychic, so until those questioned are answered nobody can trash the scan.Itachi feared he couldn't get to Sasuke, in one piece, if he engaged in an all out war with him.

Why Itachi can’t just one-shot him every time:

Besides the databook (and various statements made throughout the manga, e.g. Pain stating that Jiraiya could have won their epic battle), I will also like to point out that Jiraiya is an efficient counter fighter. His entire fighting style revolves around him being able to think on the spot, with his humongous /versatile arsenal, and successfully counter his opponent(s). This means that he won’t fight two different fighters the same, and he will specifically design his game plan around his opponent’s strength/weaknesses i.e. he will break down Itachi and realize that he should be worried about Itachi’s genjutsu. He would keep the battle long range, avoid eye contact, and last but not least summon toads and/or Kage bunshins which would raise his odds considerable e.g. Itachi would be hesitant to cast Tsukuyomi when he sees several clones in front of him, of course due to his poor chakra/health.

As I said, we have witnessed Jiraiya’s unique fighting style in a lot of different scenarios. He deduced Konan’s weakness in mere seconds and disposed of her like she was pure fodder. Which we know is false since she technically killed the most invincible man on the planet. He also knows when he is outmatched and when to actually revise your plan. Against the six path of pain he figured out the fact that he needed to separate them and actually meet them one-on –one, which is brilliant. He also realized that one of the paths could turn “invisible” so he decided to use a barrier that is able to detect movement. This again indicates, that Jiraiya can’t be caught with his pants down… unless in a bath house.

Itachi = Jiraiya

Absolutely killed it, +rep.
 

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I will just post my thoughts from one of my previous threads:

Kishi made it painfully obvious that these two Kage-level fighters are equals. Yet a lot of people choose, on purpose or not, to underestimate Jiraiya when conversations regarding these two inevitable occur. I think fanboys aside; a lot of it has to do with the whole out of sight, out of mind mentality which isn’t unusual with all the awesome fights we have witnessed after Jiraiya’s death however the facts remain.

Databook scores: 35, 5 vs 35, 5.

They share the number one spot with the exact same score. They excel at each other’s weaknesses while they are also able to master the ability to shield their individual weaknesses e.g. by either entering special modes or by simply adapting their strategy accordingly. In essence they can both beat each other and most likely, most times, it would come down to minor details which would’ve otherwise been irrelevant (condition, surprise aspect, killing intent, etc). Kishi > speculation.

Itachi and Kisame’s infamous meeting with Jiraiya:

Kisame, one of the legendary swordsmen, directly admitted inferiority to Jiraiya, while Itachi claimed that he could only draw with him. These words were stated in the manga.To those who would argue that Itachi wouldn’t hurt anybody from Konoha, well, answer these questions:

Why did Itachi order Kakashi’s murder? Why did Itachi and Kisame go after Naruto? Why didn’t Itachi prevent Kisame from chopping off Naruto’s leg? Last I checked Itachi wasn’t a psychic, so until those questioned are answered nobody can trash the scan.Itachi feared he couldn't get to Sasuke, in one piece, if he engaged in an all out war with him.

Why Itachi can’t just one-shot him every time:

Besides the databook (and various statements made throughout the manga, e.g. Pain stating that Jiraiya could have won their epic battle), I will also like to point out that Jiraiya is an efficient counter fighter. His entire fighting style revolves around him being able to think on the spot, with his humongous /versatile arsenal, and successfully counter his opponent(s). This means that he won’t fight two different fighters the same, and he will specifically design his game plan around his opponent’s strength/weaknesses i.e. he will break down Itachi and realize that he should be worried about Itachi’s genjutsu. He would keep the battle long range, avoid eye contact, and last but not least summon toads and/or Kage bunshins which would raise his odds considerable e.g. Itachi would be hesitant to cast Tsukuyomi when he sees several clones in front of him, of course due to his poor chakra/health.

As I said, we have witnessed Jiraiya’s unique fighting style in a lot of different scenarios. He deduced Konan’s weakness in mere seconds and disposed of her like she was pure fodder. Which we know is false since she technically killed the most invincible man on the planet. He also knows when he is outmatched and when to actually revise your plan. Against the six path of pain he figured out the fact that he needed to separate them and actually meet them one-on –one, which is brilliant. He also realized that one of the paths could turn “invisible” so he decided to use a barrier that is able to detect movement. This again indicates, that Jiraiya can’t be caught with his pants down… unless in a bath house.

Itachi = Jiraiya

+ rep to you and the topic creator.
 

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And for the love of god stop with the whole nonsense about Amaterasu being instantaneous.It travels after its initial spawn (0-5 m).
 

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I will just post my thoughts from one of my previous threads:

Kishi made it painfully obvious that these two Kage-level fighters are equals. Yet a lot of people choose, on purpose or not, to underestimate Jiraiya when conversations regarding these two inevitable occur. I think fanboys aside; a lot of it has to do with the whole out of sight, out of mind mentality which isn’t unusual with all the awesome fights we have witnessed after Jiraiya’s death however the facts remain.

Databook scores: 35, 5 vs 35, 5.

They share the number one spot with the exact same score. They excel at each other’s weaknesses while they are also able to master the ability to shield their individual weaknesses e.g. by either entering special modes or by simply adapting their strategy accordingly. In essence they can both beat each other and most likely, most times, it would come down to minor details which would’ve otherwise been irrelevant (condition, surprise aspect, killing intent, etc). Kishi > speculation.

Itachi and Kisame’s infamous meeting with Jiraiya:

Kisame, one of the legendary swordsmen, directly admitted inferiority to Jiraiya, while Itachi claimed that he could only draw with him. These words were stated in the manga.To those who would argue that Itachi wouldn’t hurt anybody from Konoha, well, answer these questions:

Why did Itachi order Kakashi’s murder? Why did Itachi and Kisame go after Naruto? Why didn’t Itachi prevent Kisame from chopping off Naruto’s leg? Last I checked Itachi wasn’t a psychic, so until those questioned are answered nobody can trash the scan.Itachi feared he couldn't get to Sasuke, in one piece, if he engaged in an all out war with him.

Why Itachi can’t just one-shot him every time:

Besides the databook (and various statements made throughout the manga, e.g. Pain stating that Jiraiya could have won their epic battle), I will also like to point out that Jiraiya is an efficient counter fighter. His entire fighting style revolves around him being able to think on the spot, with his humongous /versatile arsenal, and successfully counter his opponent(s). This means that he won’t fight two different fighters the same, and he will specifically design his game plan around his opponent’s strength/weaknesses i.e. he will break down Itachi and realize that he should be worried about Itachi’s genjutsu. He would keep the battle long range, avoid eye contact, and last but not least summon toads and/or Kage bunshins which would raise his odds considerable e.g. Itachi would be hesitant to cast Tsukuyomi when he sees several clones in front of him, of course due to his poor chakra/health.

As I said, we have witnessed Jiraiya’s unique fighting style in a lot of different scenarios. He deduced Konan’s weakness in mere seconds and disposed of her like she was pure fodder. Which we know is false since she technically killed the most invincible man on the planet. He also knows when he is outmatched and when to actually revise your plan. Against the six path of pain he figured out the fact that he needed to separate them and actually meet them one-on –one, which is brilliant. He also realized that one of the paths could turn “invisible” so he decided to use a barrier that is able to detect movement. This again indicates, that Jiraiya can’t be caught with his pants down… unless in a bath house.

Itachi = Jiraiya

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yeah i agree that argument you just presented was weak

I guess we can take Tobi's word that he's Madara even though it defies logic

We can't take characters for their word as its still realistic in the sense they can be mistaken or lie about whatever they're claiming.

mines was weak when it coming from the manga ? i dont think so buddy :ice:

that tobi can is different we know now he was lieing, but what does zetsu gain from lieing about amaterasu? let me think NOTHING zetsu obviously had knowledge on it so why whould we ignore what he said

to escape amaterasu you have to get out of the sharigans sight
 

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Jiraiya is very Underrated, Shame we didn't get to see him fight seriously untill he fought pain.
Even then he did very well with no Info.

Is he above itachi's level?, No,

Is he Close to or on Itachi'sleve?, Maybe.
 

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I will just post my thoughts from one of my previous threads:

Kishi made it painfully obvious that these two Kage-level fighters are equals. Yet a lot of people choose, on purpose or not, to underestimate Jiraiya when conversations regarding these two inevitable occur. I think fanboys aside; a lot of it has to do with the whole out of sight, out of mind mentality which isn’t unusual with all the awesome fights we have witnessed after Jiraiya’s death however the facts remain.

Databook scores: 35, 5 vs 35, 5.

They share the number one spot with the exact same score. They excel at each other’s weaknesses while they are also able to master the ability to shield their individual weaknesses e.g. by either entering special modes or by simply adapting their strategy accordingly. In essence they can both beat each other and most likely, most times, it would come down to minor details which would’ve otherwise been irrelevant (condition, surprise aspect, killing intent, etc). Kishi > speculation.

Itachi and Kisame’s infamous meeting with Jiraiya:

Kisame, one of the legendary swordsmen, directly admitted inferiority to Jiraiya, while Itachi claimed that he could only draw with him. These words were stated in the manga.To those who would argue that Itachi wouldn’t hurt anybody from Konoha, well, answer these questions:

Why did Itachi order Kakashi’s murder? Why did Itachi and Kisame go after Naruto? Why didn’t Itachi prevent Kisame from chopping off Naruto’s leg? Last I checked Itachi wasn’t a psychic, so until those questioned are answered nobody can trash the scan.Itachi feared he couldn't get to Sasuke, in one piece, if he engaged in an all out war with him.

Why Itachi can’t just one-shot him every time:

Besides the databook (and various statements made throughout the manga, e.g. Pain stating that Jiraiya could have won their epic battle), I will also like to point out that Jiraiya is an efficient counter fighter. His entire fighting style revolves around him being able to think on the spot, with his humongous /versatile arsenal, and successfully counter his opponent(s). This means that he won’t fight two different fighters the same, and he will specifically design his game plan around his opponent’s strength/weaknesses i.e. he will break down Itachi and realize that he should be worried about Itachi’s genjutsu. He would keep the battle long range, avoid eye contact, and last but not least summon toads and/or Kage bunshins which would raise his odds considerable e.g. Itachi would be hesitant to cast Tsukuyomi when he sees several clones in front of him, of course due to his poor chakra/health.

As I said, we have witnessed Jiraiya’s unique fighting style in a lot of different scenarios. He deduced Konan’s weakness in mere seconds and disposed of her like she was pure fodder. Which we know is false since she technically killed the most invincible man on the planet. He also knows when he is outmatched and when to actually revise your plan. Against the six path of pain he figured out the fact that he needed to separate them and actually meet them one-on –one, which is brilliant. He also realized that one of the paths could turn “invisible” so he decided to use a barrier that is able to detect movement. This again indicates, that Jiraiya can’t be caught with his pants down… unless in a bath house.

Itachi = Jiraiya

wait let me counter this it alot of writing hold on
 

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I agree they are both top tier, however I disagree that Kisame wouldn't make a difference against him, that was probably just Itachi underestimating his companions as he admitted he had been doing all along.
 
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