Jiraiya>Nagato(Six Paths) srsly ppl....

[MangekyouSharinga]

So,I saw a thread by madara04 about Jiraiya and Itachi being on the same level. And I found meany people saying that Pein said if Jiraiya had known he secrets he wouldve been dead by now. People lets not get ahead of ourselves here J-man is strong but not on the same league as Nagato(Six Paths). Because Im sick and tired of this I'm going to prove you wrong.
First of all we have confirmed that while J-man was fighting a single summoner Pein he entered Sage Mode.But we have yet to confirm if he can handle all the Paths at once. For the sake of argument let us put J-man in SM the same circumstances

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and he also has knowledge. But this time they're both frenzied and are going all out which means Pein is fighting with all six paths. J-man has a few options 1st he send Gamabunta and the 2 others(the ones that naruto used vs Pein) J-man uses the same tactic as before out manuvering the summoner and eventualy killing him(because of the element of surprise that he got in sage mode). Then eventualy Deva Path uses Bansho Ten'in or known us almighty pull while Asura Path blasts him . J-man gets injured but the other 5 paths jump on him but the 3 toads interfere and save him. J-man knows he has to find the real Pein so he makes the run for it(the same way he did in the manga) and eventualy caughts atleast 3 of them in genjutsu.He caughts the same 3 as before(note: Pein doesnt send Deva path recklessly because he values Yahiko's body). In the mean time Deva Path Disposes of the 3 toads with shinra tensei(almighty push) and because J-man got 3paths he knows the Naraka path will eventualy revive them. Nagato sends the Naraka Path to revive them and sends Deva Path as backup. J-man waits for the Naraka Path to start reviving them. He makes his move with Cho Odama Rasengan but Deva Path Bansho Ten'in's and stabs him while the other paths are being revived J-man is getting stabbed in the back by Deva Path now the Peins are there(all of them) and he is pretty muched finished. Even if you argue that J-man can kill the Asura Path before Deva Path can react he can still chibaku tensei him. I gave J-man the element of surprise twice so dont argue that he is at a disadvantege. In the end Deva Path can use CT any time and win because of the fact that J-man has no counter to it. So people for the love of god stop sayin J-man can beat Pein its absurd. Thanks for your time
Edit: sorry for wall of text im not good at editing and shit

 

[OnPoint]

Thought that was rather obvious. But yes, I don't believe Jiraiya can defeat Pain. Granted, Jiraiya did well against 3 paths but if he was to fight all 6 simultaneously, he'd be slaughtered. That fight, in my opinion, benefited Jiraiya because it took place in Amegakure. I think Pain was reluctant to use his more husky techniques such as Chou Shinra Tensei or Chibaku Tensei because it would've obliterated his own village. Pain was always capable of escaping Jiraiya's Sound Genjutsu because of the chakra rods; there was a reason why Nagato was left unaffected by it despite some of his paths being caught. And as it stands, Chibaku Tensei solos; saying Jiraiya would destroy it (the core) with a Chou Odama Rasengan is just unreasonable in my eyes.

 

[MangekyouSharinga]

Thought that was rather obvious. But yes, I don't believe Jiraiya can defeat Pain. Granted, Jiraiya did well against 3 paths but if he was to fight all 6 simultaneously, he'd be slaughtered. That fight, in my opinion, benefited Jiraiya because it took place in Amegakure. I think Pain was reluctant to use his more husky techniques such as Chou Shinra Tensei or Chibaku Tensei because it would've obliterated his own village. Pain was always capable of escaping Jiraiya's Sound Genjutsu because of the chakra rods; there was a reason why Nagato was left unaffected by it despite some of his paths being caught. And as it stands, Chibaku Tensei solos; saying Jiraiya would destroy it (the core) with a Chou Odama Rasengan is just unreasonable in my eyes.

Not only that its a close combat attack hell die from the pull itself if he gets to close

 

[Drakengard]

I think Pain might have meant that Jiraiya would go after Nagato himself. Nothing to really prove it but that's the "knowledge" Jiraiya was looking for after all. Now there are always things like saying Jiraiya would hide in a toad and prepare frog song there and herpp derrpp but in manga literacy I'm not sure he can handle all 6 paths. Although he did pretty well since he killed off the Animal Path with 1 arm despite fighting all 6 paths and could have even gotten away with his life.

 

[Myogen]

The reason people believe Nagato's statement is because he knows his own abilities and Jiraiya's better than anyone reading the manga, so he should know if he'd loose or not. There is also no reason for him to make up the fact that he'd loose and I don't think it's in character for a guy who believed himself to be a God to sell himself short.

The counter argument I have been seeing on the forum that Jiraiya couldn't handle 6 bodies at once also kind of ignores cannon. Jiraiya canonically took on all 6 paths while heavily injured and still managed to not only survive but defeat one of the paths as well.

The other counter argument that Jiraiya would go after Nagato is fine, the problem is the implications that some people try to attach to it, that this somehow doesn't count as Jiriaya beating Nagato, since he's exploiting Nagato's weakness. But of course it counts as Jiraiya beating Nagato and exploiting the weakness of a shinobi or there jutsu is just being smart.

Just my 2 cents on the issue.

 

[Dantee]

He was just praising his former teacher.

 

[Redvash20]

no i think jiraya could beat 6 paths of pein.... if naruto did it when he did jiraya could def

 

[khaydz5]

no i think jiraya could beat 6 paths of pein.... if naruto did it when he did jiraya could def

lol simply fail.

with 1 path alone jiraiya was forced to use his trump card sage mode. 3 pain comes and sage mode loses, he was forced to run and think of a tactic. luckily ma and pa frog has something to somehow counter this three. came 6, they just simply dominated jiraiya. there's no way jiraiya would win buddy.

 

[DarkClaw]

Chibaku tensei.

 

[Vexorian]

That was the whole point in my opinion, that if Jiraiya had the knowledge at the time, he could have easily prevailed at that time and place. But he didn't know until it was too late, which is why he died. Jiraiya is far more suited for taking multiple enemies on than Itachi is as well, due to his stamina advantage.

 

[megallica]

jiraiya has no chance if he is to fight all 6 pains. simple as that. he will not be able to go sagemode with all 6 after him since it takes alot of time. he will be dead before he can go sagemode and summon ma and pa.