Jinton vs TBB
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AizenSosuke
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It depends on the size of the TBB and how big the jinton user can make their jinton. The only way the jinton will beat the tbb is if it's larger than the tbb (cone or cube form).
If the jinton removes part of the tbb but still misses some of it, the remaining tbb will either carry on or more likely explode on the spot.
Basically, It's circumstantial but either can come out on top.
If the jinton removes part of the tbb but still misses some of it, the remaining tbb will either carry on or more likely explode on the spot.
Basically, It's circumstantial but either can come out on top.
If you want to make a legitimate thread where a debate can occur, you'd have to give a particular TBB and a particular jinton to compare. Jinton and TBBs have been used numerous times and they all differ in power. Overall, TBBs possess more energy.
last time i checked, getting taken out by an attack =/= tanking the attack. The gyuuki could withstand jinton depeding on how long the beam was held.
why is something being a bomb mean that it doesn't erase, wipe away and pulverize its target?
Gyuuki will turn to dust from a Jinton.
A jinton disassembles matter on an Atomic level and reduces something to nothing.
A tbb just releases tremendous heat. The only way it's reducing something to nothing is if the heat is incredibly high.
Tanking a Tbb doesn't mean you're tanking a Jinton. They're not the same thing at all.
Official denotation of "tank" please, because I couldn't find the definition in the context that you're referring to.
I'm not quite understanding your point on "how long the beam is held," so could you please elaborate? And isn't a Susanoo more durable than Gyuki?
If jinton is large enough and held on the gyuuki long enough, then sure it eventually turns the gyuuki into dust.
Where did you get on the atomic level? Also, since when are atoms nothing?
A TBB doesn't just release tremendous heat as explosions don't just release tremendous heat. And isn't the heat from TBBs high?
and tanking jinton doesn't mean you're tanking a TBB. The damage jinton does depends on the size of jinton and how long it's held. If jinton was held on the gyuuki's chest indefinitely, then of course its going to tunnel through. If it's held on his chest for a split second, its going to do damage, but nothing major. The strongest thing jinton has destroyed was susanoo, susanoos within the giant jinton cube held for a very long time.
the closest official definition as in dictionary would be this:
7.
Slang. to do poorly or decline rapidly; fail:
'tank' usually means take little to no damage from an attack. 'surviving' an attack or 'not being obliterated' by one isn't tank.
jinton creates a three dimensional object that damages anything it comes into contact with, correct? Well, if something comes into contact with that object for 1 second vs something comes into contact with the object for 10 seconds, the first one is going to take more damage than the second one unless jinton literally just ignores durability and therefore destroys paper just as quickly as it would destroy adamantium.
Depending on the level of susanoo, the gyuuki's body (not tentacles) can be more durable.
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I was going to add the scan for the explanation of Jinton but I don't remember where it's located and I can't be bothered to continue looking... but in any case, if you just read the
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you'll see it there; they get their info from the manga either way.There's nothing like eventually, it becomes dust immediately.
Also I didn't say atoms were nothing, I said it reduces something to nothing.
Final point, An explosion is literally just a release of light and heat. Depending on the type of explosion there'd also be shrapnel(shrapnel from grenades, flying debris, etc), Shockwaves(large explosions like a TBB, cruise missle, nuke, etc), radiation (nuke - doesn't exist in NV).
A Jinton Eats away at something immediately so, again, what you're saying is made up. Oonoki created a Jinton to
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and it was materializing him so fast that he was almost turned to dust before oonoki could act quickly enough open up his own jinton. What you're saying is fanfic, pure and simple. There's no tanking a Jinton; No one's going to stand infront a Jinton for 5 minutes while slowly materializing. Either you dodge jinton, absorb jinton, stop it from activating, block it or die. Where people got the idea that you can it, I have no idea but it probably propagated among the 3rd raikage fanboys who started saying he can "tank everything except his own finger including tbbs, jinton, PS, blah blah".
super yang
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yes really - Gyuuki is not a ninjutsu. a gasoline explosion > an elephant > a bolt of lightning?..it doesn't work
susano'o partially withstood jinton, so U cant say for sure if the bijuu could not tank a jinton.
but that doesn't matter in a jutsu vs jutsu collision.
what is that based on?
but you said it dismantles them at the atomic level right? Wouldn't that mean it atomizes them, and therefore turns them into atoms?
so a bijuudamas explosion has light, heat and shockwave properties right?
If you reread your scan, it pretty much proves that jinton doesn't eat away something immediately depending on how durable that something is. Despite the jinton enveloping the 25 susanoo clones a panel before, madara uses future tense when he says 'the clones using susanoo WONT be fast enough to escape the particle absorption'. So they hadn't been destroyed yet.
I didn't say something would stand in it for 5 minutes, but I think the manga conclusively proves that jinton doesn't immediately destroy its target depending on the durability, and that for durable things it has to be held in order to destroy the thing completely. This is further proven by when the juubi jinchuriki obito, who possesses a superior jinton,
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to the point where it didn't hit the falling KCM Naruto. If jinton didn't work like how I am saying it does it would have gone right through susanoo without slowing down and killed naruto.You misunderstood my point. I was talking about one aspect, not various aspects. You can create a valid ABC logic argument by comparing the power scale levels of certain attacks. Another hypothetical example: Deidara's C1 duds have the potentiality to destroy a gypsum plastered wall, leaving obvious remnants. From this, we can accurately conclude that a Jinton could take the the destruction further by completely vaporizing the aforementioned wall, leaving absolutely no remains, because its extirpation level has been shown to be way greater than that of a C1. Consquently, in terms of destructive prowess, Jinton > C1.
Jinton > C2 > C1
As for the durability, if, hypothetically speaking, Gyuki can be obliterated by a C2 explosive, there's no way in heck he's tanking the eradicative power of a Jinton.
super yang
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yea, then I still don't understand, at all; sorry about that... thanks for conversing anyway
Think of it this way: Sage Mode gives the user a boost in their strength. If base Naruto, without Sage Mode, punches a wall, it will crack. If he enters Sage Mode, and hits the same wall (that isn't cracked from the last punch), it will crack even further than before.
Naruto's Sage Mode strength > Naruto's base strength.
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Brother Numpsay
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The thing is, when a bijuu dama explodes, it is an ordinary explosion whose energy decreases rapidly the further you go from the centre of the blast. With jinton, the energy per unit area is constant within the jinton beam/cube. Although getting hit by a bijuu dama head on is probably best for busting powerful defences as all that energy is compressed into a compact form thus it has a much larger energy per unit area.
Juubito's omnyoudan, which acts just like jinton, barely made a hole in Sasuke's ribcage susanoo's fist so I don't necessarily agree that jinton is better at destroying defences. Also IIRC, Onoki and Tsunade's huge jinton didn't scratch Madara's unstabilized perfect susanoo.