Jinton vs Chakra absorbers

[Mad Titan Thanos]

1. jin'ton wins - so does any other kkg or basic element
2. jin'ton wins
3. jin'ton wins - so does any other basic element or kkg
4. jin'ton wins - so does any other basic element or kkg
5. jin'ton wins - so does any other basic element or kkg
6. jin'ton wins
7. jin'ton wins
8. jin'ton loses

3. is BS it already absorbed raiton and katon and it can absorb jinton

 

[Zexion~]

Round 3: Samehada being swung (like against Itachi's katon)

Absorbed, its a ninjutsu is it not? Not to mention it takes time before its dematerilization actually takes into effect.

Round 4: Kisame fused with Samehada

Absorbed.

Round 5: Zetsu spores

Drains chakra in the form of Stamina I believe so no, Jinton comes out on top.

Round 6: Great Shark Bullet

GSB Wins..

Round 7: Yata Mirror (not a chakra absorber but still putting it on this gauntlet)

Does YM Have physical mass? Then Jinton wins.

 

[EZQ]

Round 1: Yoroi - Dies

Round 2: Hashirama's wood dragon - It gets destroyed

Round 3: Samehada being swung (like against Itachi's katon) - Absorbs (only the part of the jinton inside it's range)

Round 4: Kisame fused with Samehada - Absorbs what he touches, so Jinton wouldn't kill him

Round 5: Zetsu spores - Dead

Round 6: Great Shark Bullet - Absorbs

Round 7: Yata Mirror (not a chakra absorber but still putting it on this gauntlet) - It gets dismantled into perticle level.

 

[Apêx1]

Absorbed, its a ninjutsu is it not? Not to mention it takes time before its dematerilization actually takes into effect.


Absorbed.


Drains chakra in the form of Stamina I believe so no, Jinton comes out on top.



GSB Wins..


Does YM Have physical mass? Then Jinton wins.

Round 1: Yoroi - Dies

Round 2: Hashirama's wood dragon - It gets destroyed

Round 3: Samehada being swung (like against Itachi's katon) - Absorbs (only the part of the jinton inside it's range)

Round 4: Kisame fused with Samehada - Absorbs what he touches, so Jinton wouldn't kill him

Round 5: Zetsu spores - Dead

Round 6: Great Shark Bullet - Absorbs

Round 7: Yata Mirror (not a chakra absorber but still putting it on this gauntlet) - It gets dismantled into perticle level.

It doesn't have physical mass/form. Yata has no physical form aka it's spiritual like the Doki;

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[Zexion~]

It doesn't have physical mass/form. Yata has no physical form aka it's spiritual like the Doki;

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Pretty sure when its manifested it uses Itachi/The bearers chakra to become physical, as it resides in Itachi's chakra so when the chakra is etheral it too has no form, but when the chakra takes form YM does as well.

 

[Apêx1]

Pretty sure when its manifested it uses Itachi/The bearers chakra to become physical, as it resides in Itachi's chakra so when the chakra is etheral it too has no form, but when the chakra takes form YM does as well.

Doubt it, it's explicitly referred to as a weapon without form on tonnes of occasions and the context of the first spoiler's image makes it pretty obvious that it's changing its characteristics whilst having no physical form. Wouldn't make any sense if it had form when it's a spirit weapon. Plus, Zetsu states it's supernatural meaning it's beyond the laws of physics. So I definitely don't see any reason to believe it has a form. It's basically aura but with the ability to deflect things. It definitely looks like aura, plus Totsuka also looks just like the aura and it's splashing aura everywhere (although Totsuka can be physical and non-physical, most likely) ;

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[Forbidden Technique]

It doesn't have physical mass/form. Yata has no physical form aka it's spiritual like the Doki;

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Doubt it, it's explicitly referred to as a weapon without form on tonnes of occasions and the context of the first spoiler's image makes it pretty obvious that it's changing its characteristics whilst having no physical form. Wouldn't make any sense if it had form when it's a spirit weapon. Plus, Zetsu states it's supernatural meaning it's beyond the laws of physics. So I definitely don't see any reason to believe it has a form. It's basically aura but with the ability to deflect things. It definitely looks like aura, plus Totsuka also looks just like the aura and it's splashing aura everywhere (although Totsuka can be physical and non-physical, most likely) ;

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In addition to the fact that it instantly changes it's properties to null any attack. In other words, Jinton is laughed it.

 

[Zexion~]

Doubt it, it's explicitly referred to as a weapon without form on tonnes of occasions and the context of the first spoiler's image makes it pretty obvious that it's changing its characteristics whilst having no physical form. Wouldn't make any sense if it had form when it's a spirit weapon. Plus, Zetsu states it's supernatural meaning it's beyond the laws of physics. So I definitely don't see any reason to believe it has a form. It's basically aura but with the ability to deflect things. It definitely looks like aura, plus Totsuka also looks just like the aura and it's splashing aura everywhere (although Totsuka can be physical and non-physical, most likely) ;

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Its a weapon without ONE form, as it can take many. Just like its common in Japanese lore for Supurnatural Spirits to be able to take form and deform whenever they please (relevant as Kishi is heavily influenced by Japenese lore) I mean you can't just claim its etheral all th time as its been shown to physically block things that have mass. I believe it retains the same properties as chakra which is why it resides in the bearers chakra and is formed with it. You cant just keep throwing around the words that have been stated on the subject without giving your personal opinion on how it works.

Also it disobeying the laws of phsyics merely means once again that it has no constant state. Even your first spoiler states that it can change its attributes.

 

[Apêx1]

Its a weapon without ONE form, as it can take many. Just like its common in Japanese lore for Supurnatural Spirits to be able to take form and deform whenever they please (relevant as Kishi is heavily influenced by Japenese lore) I mean you can't just claim its etheral all th time as its been shown to physically block things that have mass. I believe it retains the same properties as chakra which is why it resides in the bearers chakra and is formed with it. You cant just keep throwing around the words that have been stated on the subject without giving your personal opinion on how it works.

Also it disobeying the laws of phsyics merely means once again that it has no constant state. Even your first spoiler states that it can change its attributes.

Please stop making up your own manga facts lmao. It has NO physical form. That's a FACT that Kishi stated SEVERAL times. It changes its properties in accordance to any attack by changing its form, but that form is NOT physical. It can block things that are physical while remaining ethereal because it's supernatural. It doesn't need to follow logic, because it's unearthly. Stop trying to apply logic to a manga that is outright telling you Spirit weapons are considered supernatural in an already supernatural world (which to them would be ordinary).

Yes it has a form, but that form is not physical. Tayuya's spirits have form and attributes but they do not have physical form. Yet they are nowhere near anything supernatural. Yata and Totsuka are supernatural and have been stated on a multitude of times to lack physical form. You trying to apply logic to the manga by saying interacting in a physical realm=needs to be physical is merely your illogical problem since you don't want to accept the author's obvious intention.

 

[super yang]

3. is BS it already absorbed raiton and katon and it can absorb jinton

nah, the rai'ton was a residual chakra flow, so then essentially a ''cloaked'' pencil.

samehadas proximal interference simply disrupted that flow & the residual rai'ton disappeared, just like it did when naruto tried to gather chakra to summon in front of samehada in part 1.

it didn't absorb the ka'ton, it blocked it partially - when bee swung the sword - swallowing the nature trans, & got burned.
yet when bee was cloaked w/ ''8-tails worth'' against kisame, the chakra literally got devoured in one instant.
no proof samehada can convert transformation back into chakra; that'd be preta path.

and lol at fused kisame absorbing jin'ton, gtfo w/ that nonsense. that isn't even a limit fallacy, but a fanfic - nevermind that the sword itself can't even do such to a mere fireball.
and it makes hypocrites ITT if they say yoroi, who has the same genetic trait as kisame, loses to jin'ton.

 

[Curse Mark]

(Zetsu spores)
Drains chakra in the form of Stamina I believe so no, Jinton comes out on top.

wheres this come from?

 

[Zexion~]

Please stop making up your own manga facts lmao. It has NO physical form. That's a FACT that Kishi stated SEVERAL times. It changes its properties in accordance to any attack by changing its form, but that form is NOT physical. It can block things that are physical while remaining ethereal because it's supernatural. It doesn't need to follow logic, because it's unearthly. Stop trying to apply logic to a manga that is outright telling you Spirit weapons are considered supernatural in an already supernatural world (which to them would be ordinary).

Yes it has a form, but that form is not physical. Tayuya's spirits have form and attributes but they do not have physical form. Yet they are nowhere near anything supernatural. Yata and Totsuka are supernatural and have been stated on a multitude of times to lack physical form. You trying to apply logic to the manga by saying interacting in a physical realm=needs to be physical is merely your illogical problem since you don't want to accept the author's obvious intention.

This....is why I can never argue with you :lol

Because your assumptions are manga facts man.


It takes the same properties of chakra because it is formed within said chakra, you can throw around words that were said in the manga all you want but when you're not coming up with an explanation for how its formed and for its existance and I am, well i'll stick to being logical than your bias observations any day.

Also Kishi has clearly showed the same thing within the driving force of the manga in CHAKRA itself, its etheral but is formed into physical substances :lol Just don't quote me anymore because having a decent discussion on a subject with you is not possible.


@DK When it was shown, it wasn't able to absorb the jutsu applied on the spores.

 

[ToshiZO]

nah, the rai'ton was a residual chakra flow, so then essentially a ''cloaked'' pencil.

samehadas proximal interference simply disrupted that flow & the residual rai'ton disappeared, just like it did when naruto tried to gather chakra to summon in front of samehada in part 1.

it didn't absorb the ka'ton, it blocked it partially - when bee swung the sword - swallowing the nature trans, & got burned.
yet when bee was cloaked w/ ''8-tails worth'' against kisame, the chakra literally got devoured in one instant.
no proof samehada can convert transformation back into chakra; that'd be preta path.

and lol at fused kisame absorbing jin'ton, gtfo w/ that nonsense. that isn't even a limit fallacy, but a fanfic - nevermind that the sword itself can't even do such to a mere fireball.
and it makes hypocrites ITT if they say yoroi, who has the same genetic trait as kisame, loses to jin'ton.

didn't even notice people were saying Samehada is gonna absorb Jinton. Automatically skipped the earlier rounds cause I assumed people weren't dumb. That's the joke of the year.

Samehada was struggling with a regular fireball lol.

 

[Apêx1]

This....is why I can never argue with you :lol

Because your assumptions are manga facts man.


It takes the same properties of chakra because it is formed within said chakra, you can throw around words that were said in the manga all you want but when you're not coming up with an explanation for how its formed and for its existance and I am, well i'll stick to being logical than your bias observations any day.

Also Kishi has clearly showed the same thing within the driving force of the manga in CHAKRA itself, its etheral but is formed into physical substances :lol Just don't quote me anymore because having a decent discussion on a subject with you is not possible.


@DK When it was shown, it wasn't able to absorb the jutsu applied on the spores.

My assumptions? More like I gave you 4 scans of it being stated yet you denied it anyways; the reason everyone calls you stubborn.

Tayuya's spirits are Yin chakra but not physical so your entire argument goes to the trash.. Here you see them phase through trees [

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]. Shits on your whole argument. @bold, explanations are NOT needed when it's outright stated. That's like Deidara's C0 being stated to be 10km in the manga and then some dumbass pixel calcing it saying it's not 10km. That's basically what you are doing. You are applying IRL logic instead of taking Kishi's word for it. I already gave you the explanation, they are ethereal but capable of interacting in a physical realm given that they are supernatural; you could refer to it as metaphysical.

 

[Curse Mark]

Oh no... Tayuya's spirits.. a whole new konan VS sound 4 thread.

 

[Apêx1]

Oh no... Tayuya's spirits.. a whole new konan VS sound 4 thread.

He's saying anything formed of chakra is physical.*So I gave Tayuya spirits as an example.

 

[Curse Mark]

He's saying anything formed of chakra is physical.*So I gave Tayuya spirits as an example.

True facts

 

[Ripple Hole]

He's saying anything formed of chakra is physical.*So I gave Tayuya spirits as an example.

Shika caught one accidentally.

 

[Curse Mark]

Shika caught one accidentally.

caught one?

 

[Apêx1]

Shika caught one accidentally.

???
Made of entirely massless ethereal chakra:

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