Jin Madara is the strongest without plot strain
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You misunderstand. Anyone with CT can use Shinra Tensei, but the ST itself cannot be given a random feat, so you can only use Nagato's feats for Madara. Even though it is heavily downplaying Madara's ST, it still is the most one can attribute to him, unless said person thinks his own random feat of Madara's ST is somehow an applicable feat. But it's a fact that Madara has ST on rejuvenated Nagato's level at the very least, and a non-rejuvenated Nagato could level a forest, meaning a rejuvenated one can do more, and Madara is far above that. However, it remains that feat, so it pissing you off or not is none of anyone's concern, it is simply the most logical and realistic way to go about it.
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So you think Madara is just gonnna sit and let sasuke cut him up? Amaterasu didn't work on a blind Madara, its not gonna work on juubi jin Madara. And Sasuke ONLY cut Madara because Madara's ONLY goal was to grab Kakashi's sharingan, and Sasuke ONLY managed to cut him because he used his left eye power and Madara against wasn't even expecting it.
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I don't think he can beat Kaguya, and i'm not going to argue about it.
But you also seem to think he's stronger than JJ Hagoromo with both the Sun and Moon seals? How?
But you also seem to think he's stronger than JJ Hagoromo with both the Sun and Moon seals? How?
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I still think Hagoromo is stronger than him, but we are going but what we know.
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For me JJ Hagoromo is either stronger or equal to Madara. Hagoromo has the seals but Madara has the 3rd Eye and if he knew how to use Kaguya's Dimension tech (Kaguya would do better though with the eye) he would be extremely formidable against the Sage... Don't you find it strange that he could use IT and to believe not to use in a extend the Dimension tech? He used Kamui, an eye tech that he didn't use once before and it worked with the first try. So why not the third eye? I am very curious though what Hagoromo would do against Susanoo and Mokuton powered by the Juubi. If it could happen it would be a hell of a match!! Also JJ Madara, JJ Hagoromo and Kaguya are strong in their own way and its difficult to say who is stronger overall. They are the strongest of NV.
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I thought this was well known, but yes I agree
maybe Kaguya beats him but that could be debated.
Madara definitely takes the SO6P though, mid diff at most
maybe Kaguya beats him but that could be debated.
Madara definitely takes the SO6P though, mid diff at most
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Dondaime Hokage Naruto
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COAT is not an offensive ability... Hagoromo used it so as to create the tailed beats and nothing more...When was this shown?
OP: Hagoromo beats him. Madara didn't have access to COAT
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It's basically omnipotent creation, then Lol
And Madara has 0 feats near moon sized CT
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Its Yin Yan release at its highest level to be acquirate. Madara called his own CT meteors raindrops, thus implaining he could more. Both Madara and the Sage (who have the same Rinnegan) have not many feats at their top forms so we can only assume.