[VS] Jimbe Vs Sanji

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Yes but he's also the only person, or one of the only, to fight Luffy while he didn't defend at all. You realize what you're saying is basically Sanji>Luffy's previous opponents because he did more damage than they did in the amount of hits he was able to land. Also Sanji is the only person to have scarred Luffy's face, the scar under his eye was Luffy himself.
Not true actually if we look at bellamy as comparison point and say that at bare minimum bellamy grew at the same pace as sanji which is under the bar because sanji probably grew faster. Bellamy was strong enough pre-skip to ambush luffy with no damage inflicted and sanji did the same but we can see that luffy is able to take all that with no problem but when sanji did it it caused physical difference.


Its not as much a feat as I bring it up to say in pure attack power sanji should still be about the same as zoro and luffy SHOULD BE

Zoro's 1000s worlds is mathmatically about the strength of a nuke (There is math I can show you)
Luffy's king kong pistol is about the same

And doing the math behind Hells memories with the area of sanji's foot and the rate of heat transfrer of a fishes body with the area of Watasumi sanji's kick imparted the same ammount of energy.

Theoretically they shoulld be the same physically just as a math stand point and a reference point obviously there would be a gap but I bring it up to show that his strenght is still massive.
 

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Not true actually if we look at bellamy as comparison point and say that at bare minimum bellamy grew at the same pace as sanji which is under the bar because sanji probably grew faster. Bellamy was strong enough pre-skip to ambush luffy with no damage inflicted and sanji did the same but we can see that luffy is able to take all that with no problem but when sanji did it it caused physical difference.
The gap between Luffy and Bellamy pre skip is greater than the gap between Luffy and Sanji post skip.

Its not as much a feat as I bring it up to say in pure attack power sanji should still be about the same as zoro and luffy SHOULD BE


Zoro's 1000s worlds is mathmatically about the strength of a nuke (There is math I can show you)
Luffy's king kong pistol is about the same

And doing the math behind Hells memories with the area of sanji's foot and the rate of heat transfrer of a fishes body with the area of Watasumi sanji's kick imparted the same ammount of energy.

Theoretically they shoulld be the same physically just as a math stand point and a reference point obviously there would be a gap but I bring it up to show that his strenght is still massive.
I'm not arguing that he's about the same, I just don't think this is that great of an example of it all things considered. Yes he knocked out a tooth which was a first but Luffy didn't stay down that long, he did about as much damage as a lot of Luffy's recent opponents which is a good showing but you were acting like it was the worst Luffy's ever been beaten up.
 

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Okay, assuming they're in just a colosseum of sorts, with nothing that would give either party a combat advantage, like a large water supply for Jinbe, or kitchen knives, if Sanji wants to.... filet Jinbe, I guess? I think Jinbe's Uchimizu could counter Diable Jambe, but at the same time, if it's hot enough it could just evaporate the water.

Jinbe's ability to transfer impact through water is the only thing that I think Sanji can't match, so that's why I'm voting for Jinbe.
 

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I think it's a matter of how long. Since jinbei is joining the crew, like the rest of the members traditionally jinbei is suppose to be right after sanji in strength just like brook, franky, robin, and chooper.

But on first appearance hinting to be part of the crew it doesn't always seem that way, especially when franky joined the crew most people though franky would be 2 or 3 strongest pre-Cp9 fight.

So as for jinbei we need to know how long it'll take sanji for him to show his strength to surpass jinbei's. Because by feats Jinbei comes out looking like the strongest one, especially when we see him one-shot vice admiral level people pre and post timeskip while sanji is toying round with Vergo.
 

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I think it's a matter of how long. Since jinbei is joining the crew, like the rest of the members traditionally jinbei is suppose to be right after sanji in strength just like brook, franky, robin, and chooper.

But on first appearance hinting to be part of the crew it doesn't always seem that way, especially when franky joined the crew most people though franky would be 2 or 3 strongest pre-Cp9 fight.

So as for jinbei we need to know how long it'll take sanji for him to show his strength to surpass jinbei's. Because by feats Jinbei comes out looking like the strongest one, especially when we see him one-shot vice admiral level people pre and post timeskip while sanji is toying round with Vergo.
I'm sure Sanji will show something to place him over Jinbei since he's one of the core SH's if not by the end of WCI then shortly after but Jinbei's ability for 5 days a couple of years ago is gonna be a big feat to over pass I think.
 

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I don't think the Monster Trio thing even matters anymore. Oda hasn't touched on that "trope," as you will, since Thriller Bark and that was like 9 years ago.
Why would you open a concept that is core to who a character is and then just forget it?
sanji will hurt you if you waste food
Havent seen that since thriller bark either

Sanji is zoro's rival
havent seen that since thriller bark either
sanji is a pervert
Oh yeah? That the only character quality he has, like at all. It will litterally become a plot point on how debilitatingly crippled this makes him in not one but 3 or four arcs.
-sanji nose bleeds till he needs a blood transfusion
-Sanji must save violet at the expense of his own body possibly endagering his crew
-sanji choese women over his crew at some dumb wedding


Sanji isn't even a ladies man he is just a dumbass. And Its fucked cause he is such a cool character
 

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Nah. Luffy and Jinbe were fighting and Robin tried to stop them by making a clone in between them as they charged at each other. Sanji didn't realize it was a clone and rushed to save Robin, and he got punched by Luffy and Jinbei simultaneously. Sanji and Jinbe just argued.
Can you post some manga pages or video??? Would love to see this
 

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Why would you open a concept that is core to who a character is and then just forget it?
Monster Trio was never core to their characters.

sanji will hurt you if you waste food
Havent seen that since thriller bark either
We saw this in Whole Cake with the lady chef that Yonji beat up. Sanji told Yonji not to waste it, and ate it himself.

Sanji is zoro's rival
havent seen that since thriller bark either
Except we've seen this multiple times since the timeskip ended. On Sabaody, they had their little flame argument, and Sanji mentioned leaving Zoro behind. On Punk Hazard, they argued. They argued on Fishman Island. They insulted each other on Dressrosa. Zoro was the one that spoke up and said leave Sanji behind, and threatened to beat up Luffy when he teased Zoro for caring about Sanji secretly.

sanji is a pervert
Oh yeah? That the only character quality he has, like at all.

Except, in Whole Cake, we've seen Sanji be a pervert, be selfless, be caring, be an *******, be dedicated to Luffy and his crew, and be a diehard stickler for not wasting food. His perversion has been more prominent than it should have been, but the only way that's the only trait you'll see is if that's the only trait you're looking for.

It will litterally become a plot point on how debilitatingly crippled this makes him in not one but 3 or four arcs.
Except it wasn't severely crippling for him in any arc except Thriller Bark.

-sanji nose bleeds till he needs a blood transfusion
It was used as a plot device to create tension of the SHs being caught, and to introduce the problem of the blood transfusion between species, which was fleshed out throughout the arc's conflict.

-Sanji must save violet at the expense of his own body possibly endagering his crew
Except Violet became a key ally to the crew because of Sanji. Luffy and Law would be toys right now if Violet hadn't helped Usopp snipe Sugar.

-sanji choese women over his crew at some dumb wedding
Except he didn't. He was next to Pudding, so he grabbed her. He says he's counting on Luffy to do his job. He did his part of the plan perfectly.
 

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I'm sure Sanji will show something to place him over Jinbei since he's one of the core SH's if not by the end of WCI then shortly after but Jinbei's ability for 5 days a couple of years ago is gonna be a big feat to over pass I think.
Maybe. But it has to be like one of those taking out a Yonkou's top 3 commanders kind of feats so he'll need to do that now or the next. I'll be shocked if Oda did something like that now.
 

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Maybe. But it has to be like one of those taking out a Yonkou's top 3 commanders kind of feats so he'll need to do that now or the next. I'll be shocked if Oda did something like that now.
Don't be too shocked because it is kind of being set up right now so people shouldn't be too surprised if Sanji ends up beating Katakuri or Smoothie somehow this arc though Smoothie is unlikely being female and all.
 

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Don't be too shocked because it is kind of being set up right now so people shouldn't be too surprised if Sanji ends up beating Katakuri or Smoothie somehow this arc though Smoothie is unlikely being female and all.
So he's gonna fight Dogtooth you think? That would mean Luffy needs to fight a damaged Big mam if that's the case.
 

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Monster Trio was never core to their characters.
We saw this in Whole Cake with the lady chef that Yonji beat up. Sanji told Yonji not to waste it, and ate it himself.
You are correct about that and I'll admit I am wrong.
Except we've seen this multiple times since the timeskip ended. On Sabaody, they had their little flame argument, and Sanji mentioned leaving Zoro behind. On Punk Hazard, they argued. They argued on Fishman Island. They insulted each other on Dressrosa. Zoro was the one that spoke up and said leave Sanji behind, and threatened to beat up Luffy when he teased Zoro for caring about Sanji secretly.
If you see the rivally they had in long ring island it was much more intense in my opininon.
Except, in Whole Cake, we've seen Sanji be a pervert, be selfless, be caring, be an *******, be dedicated to Luffy and his crew, and be a diehard stickler for not wasting food. His perversion has been more prominent than it should have been, but the only way that's the only trait you'll see is if that's the only trait you're looking for.
I never said I dont like sanji, actually one of my favorite characters, I just have complaints against him. And while we have seen him do the right thing and its something comendable and reaffirms his character but he has lost his character trait of agency

Sanji would always be the one to fix the problems no one else thought about but now we see that role reverse
Something seen in dressrosa and no where else
Except it wasn't severely crippling for him in any arc except Thriller Bark.
He ALMOST DIED because of it.
It was used as a plot device to create tension of the SHs being caught, and to introduce the problem of the blood transfusion between species, which was fleshed out throughout the arc's conflict.
And again. It shows how sanjis "quirk" isn't a gag its a part of who he is fundamentaly regardless of how it is fleshed out.
Also that was something resolved by luffy not sanji.
Except Violet became a key ally to the crew because of Sanji. Luffy and Law would be toys right now if Violet hadn't helped Usopp snipe Sugar.
But that wasn't sanji's doing. That was voilet say voilet had actually strong henchman that would have killed sanji sanji would have let them.
Except he didn't. He was next to Pudding, so he grabbed her. He says he's counting on Luffy to do his job. He did his part of the plan perfectly.
I am refering to his internal monolouge when we see him trying not to get to deep into acting because thats how deeply physical attraction bothers him.
On Fishman Island he almost bled to death because of women.
 

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Ill bet you rep and you can pick my avatar that sanji does beat a commander single handly or almost single handedly.
I think it's either gonna be Sanji vs Katakuri or Sanji/Jinbei vs Katakuri though that may be too easy as Sanji seems to be a great counter to his ob haki and Jinbei is a great counter to his DF so if they did team up they should be able to take out Katakuri easily.

I'll take it.
Who do you think will fight Katakuri or Big Mom?
 
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