[Discussion] Jaybra might have been stronger than Kaku

[Tomato God]

Simply because one of their Doriki was 20 higher than the other means nothing. Jabrya's zoan is still better than kaku's zoan by a mile.
Carnivorous zoan are always > Regular Zoan.
And that should have been more than enough to make them equal and possibly jabrya stronger.

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

But even w/o the fruit Kaku was stronger and the fruit made even more strong

 

[Hexuze]

Inb4butthurtZorofansrage

 

[Tomato God]

But even w/o the fruit Kaku was stronger and the fruit made even more strong

Kaku in base > Jabrya in base
Kakus fruit < Jabryas fruit
Jaybru = Kaku

Simple logic keep up. Carnivorous zoans are in different league than normal zoans.

 

[SSS12]

I don't know if you know this but it was stated that Doriki doesn't incorporate other skills like swordsmanship in case of Kaku, which is his primary fighting style.
And Kaku hadn't eaten a DF when the Doriki was eaten although I can't remember if it is actually taken into consideration. Even if it isn't, it puts them on par without considering Kaku's swordsmanship.
Kaku's DF served him well since it complimented his swordsmanship and Rankyaku, enabling him to use Four Sword style vs Zoro. He may have been massacred otherwise from the looks of things.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Kaku in base > Jabrya in base
Kakus fruit < Jabryas fruit
Jaybru = Kaku

Simple logic keep up. Carnivorous zoans are in different league than normal zoans.

So is he stronger or are they equal? You just solod yourself buddy.

 

[VongolaX]

Kaku in base > Jabrya in base
Kakus fruit < Jabryas fruit
Jaybru = Kaku

Simple logic keep up. Carnivorous zoans are in different league than normal zoans.

You do realize that the measurement also counted devil fruit strength as well?

There is no base strength, jabra with fruit was twenty less than kaku without.

Is this a Zoro and Sanji thing?

 

[Tomato God]

I don't know if you know this but it was stated that Doriki doesn't incorporate other skills like swordsmanship in case of Kaku, which is his primary fighting style.
And Kaku hadn't eaten a DF when the Doriki was eaten although I can't remember if it is actually taken into consideration. Even if it isn't, it puts them on par without considering Kaku's swordsmanship.
Kaku's DF served him well since it complimented his swordsmanship and Rankyaku, enabling him to use Four Sword style vs Zoro. He may have been massacred otherwise from the looks of things.

Doriki doesn't include swordsman ship or DFs and A from the way chopper reacted to lucci's fruit Carnivouris zoans > Swordsman ship. And even if it didn't complement his swordsman ship he is still super weak with the fruit. He barely knew how to use it and even made moves like pasta machine...

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Simplest logic.

Kaku fought Zoro and Jabra fought Sanji.

That's a reason to believe that Kaku is stronger than Jabra.

 

[SSS12]

Inb4butthurtZorofansrage

Why would they? Both Zoro and Sanji won their fights without too much trouble...

Kaku in base > Jabrya in base
Kakus fruit < Jabryas fruit
Jaybru = Kaku

Simple logic keep up. Carnivorous zoans are in different league than normal zoans.

Make up your mind as to whether you think they're equal or Jabra is stronger.

 

[Tomato God]

Why would they? Both Zoro and Sanji won their fights without too much trouble...



Make up your mind as to whether you think they're equal or Jabra is stronger.

I said might They are clearly equal.

You do realize that the measurement also counted devil fruit strength as well?

There is no base strength, jabra with fruit was twenty less than kaku without.

Is this a Zoro and Sanji thing?

No all it measures is physical power and with jabra's fruit... And no its not a sanji zoro thing.

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[Hexuze]

Why would they? Both Zoro and Sanji won their fights without too much trouble...

I believe Zoro struggled a lot more.

 

[SSS12]

Doriki doesn't include swordsman ship or DFs and A from the way chopper reacted to lucci's fruit Carnivouris zoans > Swordsman ship. And even if it didn't complement his swordsman ship he is still super weak with the fruit. He barely knew how to use it and even made moves like pasta machine...

That's baseless. It depends on the level of swordsmanship. The way you put it, it seems like you're Lucci > Mihawk. Don't make such vague statements. Also it's all about how effectively you use your DF. Luffy and Bellamy had similar kind of fruits- neither was special by any means. But look at what one's done to his fruit in comparison to the other.

Even if didn't compliment his swordsmanship? You mean if it did? That makes no sense whatsoever. How is he super weak? Did you see his Rankyaku? His Four-Sword Style? Pasta Machine was meant to be humorous...

 

[Tomato God]

That's baseless. It depends on the level of swordsmanship. The way you put it, it seems like you're Lucci > Mihawk. Don't make such vague statements. Also it's all about how effectively you use your DF. Luffy and Bellamy had similar kind of fruits- neither was special by any means. But look at what one's done to his fruit in comparison to the other.

Even if didn't compliment his swordsmanship? You mean if it did? That makes no sense whatsoever. How is he super weak? Did you see his Rankyaku? His Four-Sword Style? Pasta Machine was meant to be humorous...

Oh

yea I meant even if it did. He is super weak in his mastery of His DF. He got beat up making jokes like Pasta machine. He couldn't do better with his df if he wanted to.

And I am not saying the mihawk thing but i am saying Jabyra + Carnivouris Zoan > Kaku + Swords and his weak ass mastery of his DF.

 

[SSS12]

I believe Zoro struggled a lot more.

Maybe, but not significantly. Both won when they pulled out their strongest move. In fact, Sanji had to get stabbed to finish off Jabra. Either way, we're going off topic, unless this was what Tomato King had intended all along, which I suspect.

 

[VongolaX]

I said might They are clearly equal.



No all it measures is physical power and with jabra's fruit... And no its not a sanji zoro thing.

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Doesn't devil fruit like Paramecia and Zoan types specialize in physical strength?

Like X Drake, who can use his zoan type strength without even transforming.

Him using his devil fruit is implyied that of the size advantage and fangs/claws/devil fruit projectile powers.

It sure held a huge advantage over Zoro, despite being physically strong to throw both of them off Enies lobby

 

[YellowFang]

Swordsmanship >> Kumite

Jyabra's demonstration of his DF was way poor, Sanji rather handled him easily...
Kaku [even though using his DF for the first time] adopted to it very well and gave Zoro a frightful battle...

To me Kaku was better than Jyabra disregarding their Dorikis...

 

[Tomato God]

Doesn't devil fruit like Paramecia and Zoan types specialize in physical strength?

Like X Drake, who can use his zoan type strength without even transforming.

Him using his devil fruit is implyied that of the size advantage and fangs/claws/devil fruit projectile powers.

It sure held a huge advantage over Zoro, despite being physically strong to throw both of them off Enies lobby

No X-Drake is a different case. He was an X-Marine he should be expected to be strong off the bat. But there are no indicators that the strength is always there. Otherwise why would they transform at all?

And yea his claws and fangs help. but the point stands why would they ever transform if they always had access to their Zoan strength?

 

[Hexuze]

Maybe, but not significantly. Both won when they pulled out their strongest move. In fact, Sanji had to get stabbed to finish off Jabra. Either way, we're going off topic, unless this was what Tomato King had intended all along, which I suspect.

Maybe? Zoro did struggle more than Sanji did. I would post scans & talk about it more in detail but I'm on my phone. Who knows, maybe that was his intention this whole time.

 

[Tomato God]

Maybe, but not significantly. Both won when they pulled out their strongest move. In fact, Sanji had to get stabbed to finish off Jabra. Either way, we're going off topic, unless this was what Tomato King had intended all along, which I suspect.

No I just was saying kaku and jabra were both equally strong and Jabra might have been stronger...