Itachi > Jiraiya (everyone on the base knows this, but not by much)
Itachi > Orochimaru (still everyone knows this, just ask around)
Alright Jiraiya had some intel on Rinnegan he knew about the legend and he knew that the eyes gave you the ability to master all 5 basic elements, so what that is shit intel for jiraiya in such a battle.
Now for summons, Jiraiya didn't need to summon more than one, in Sage Mode Ma & Pa can summon them for him.
Eight Branches? Can that tech take 3 bosses, Jiraiya SM, Oodoma Rasengan, Goemon, Swamp of the underworld? I don't think so.
Edo Tensei seems that your stuck and if jiraiya is in sage mode when the edo are on the field, he would be too fast to catch.
I don't want to argue with an idiot who states the obvious so go home and watch the whole series again.
By the way Ma & Pa is surperior only in one field against the 1st and 2nd hokage: Genjutsu, which can take all the edo's and Orochimaru in a single move, and we all know jiraiya can easily protect himself.
Dude seriously? You really expect people to take your words seriously by backing them up with narutobase threads? That has to be the most idioting thing I've ever heard, dude if you don't have manga fact or kishi fact to substantiate your claims then kindly back off and let the rational people in the thread have a chance to voice their MANGA substantiated facts. Besides that, you completely missed the point with the Itachi/Oro/Jiraiya rant I made, maybe you should polish your reading skills a bit, no one was debating whether Itachi is stronger then them or not, there was a more important point there.
And I have no idea what you were trying to prove by mentioning what intel Jiraiya had on the rinnegan, again you completely failed to analize, reason, and conclude accurately. The point there was that I made was that Jiraiya had a BASIC intel on the rinnegan yes, and didn't know about the more OP rinnegan jutsus and the six pains technique. Fare enough, no one disputed that, if you had good reasoning skills, you would have known that I never disputed that.
What I did dispute was using that as an excuse for Jiraiya's loss, because Pein was in the EXACT same situation.
Jiraiya said that his sage mode was his most powerful jutsu and that no one had seen his sage mode and lived to tell about it.
To simplify it for your little pea brain, Pein had NO INTEL on sage mode and NO INTEL on frog song, all he knew about was a rough idea of Jiraiya's BASE abilities, just like Jiraiya knew about Nagato's BASE rinnegan abilities.
CONCLUSION: Lack of intel on Jiraiya's part is a LAME EXCUSE because Pein was battling him under the SAME conditions. Since when has a battle ever been fought with the other party having full knowledge of his opponent's abilities? Grow a brain man. Jiraiya was outclassed in a ninja battle where both warriars had their trump cards, plain and simple.
I don't even see your point about Ma and Pa being able to summon other toads, like Pein can't summon other summons with his animal path, like Orochimaru can't summon other snakes, including his three headed snake and manda to counter that, really, what on earth are you trying to prove here.
And all those jutsu you mentioned, goemon, oodama rasengan etc are usless against tripple rashomon, which stopped a tailed beast bomb. Orochimaru can still mold hand seals for jutsu in his eight branches mode, his base body is inside one of the snakes mouths after all.
Frog song takes a long time to prepare, they have to sing until they get their voices to be in sink, enough time to counter that jutsu by either killing them or simply distracting them with an attack like deva path did. Plus really, I can't believe you think ma and pa can trump hashirama and Tobirama and what ever third edo summon Oro chooses ( he can use three, the yondaime didn't work because he was in the stomach of the death god). Even with frog song, which takes forever to prepare.
Did you say Jiraiya in sage mode is too fast to catch? Sure man, because human path totally wasn't fast enough to catch Jiraiya's taijutsu attack with one hand while not even looking at his direction, and preta and animal were totally not fast enough to react to Jiraiya's oodama rasengan and Kebari senbon. Becausw he was too fast in sage mode right, that even preta, a ninjutsu based path was able to keep up with sage mode Naruto, who has a better sage mode then Jiraiya in a taijutsu battle.
Get your facts straight yo, you're starting to sound ridiculous...no....actually, you're already ridiculous!
And it isn't like oro CAN'T move when he uses edo tensei, he just doesn't in order to concentrate, he did move when it became neccessary, plus he can hide in his eight branches while the edo's fight.
