Japanese Raw - Sasuke Isn't On Rikudou's Level | Confirmation

[Benjamin King]

Actually, I goofed up. I thought I remembered a scan of Naruto telling Sasuke to use ST when he was in PS. I relooked and it turned out I was wrong, so nope. Not much to suggest that Sasuke can use ST when in PS. However, it is debatable he can use it but it deactivated PS like Kakashi did.

So you agree you're just being a double standard, since you debate for whether he could use it in PS or not, yet with Jin Madara, call it a ''fan-fic'' feat? Okay.

Edit: Oh come on, are you actually implying that that pathetic feat of Madara's can qualify as impressive deva powers? That was the strongest version of Deva path, and Madara sucked with it. Deal with it.

Yes, those island-sized CT that showed a portion scale of a planet is defiantly pathetic. If it was Naruto, you call it Juubi's DC feat.

 

[AlphaScythian]

He's probably flying using Deva Path.

Could be.

My evidence is based on he lacks a cloak with Rinnegan and 9 Tomoe on the back.

Obito used TSB w/o it, its nothing but mimicking sage's real clothing anyway.

Like that matters. Using it with his attack would be much better.

Sasuke uses raiton and senjutsu raiton is better then TSB for offence.

Except Susanoo isn't the user's body, unless you think Sasuke's body can tank powerful attacks like Susanoo can?

Tell me something i dont know, but susanoo came from the body and enhanced as far as the rule goes sasuke's body got enhancement too. Doesnt naruto use BM avatar?
Dont see you being able counter this one.

 

[Benjamin King]

Obito used TSB w/o it, its northing but mimicking sage's real clothing anyway.

Obito absorbed Madara's Senjutsu confirmed by Madara himself. You need Rikudou Senjutsu to use Gududama.

Sasuke uses raiton and senjutsu raiton is better then TSB for offence.

I meant Raiton with Gududama. And Gududama have Senjutsu within them.

Tell me something i dont know, but susanoo came from the body and enhanced as far as the rule goes sasuke's body got enhancement too. Doesnt naruto use BM avatar?
Dont see you being able counter this one.

Susanoo's body is the container of Bijuu's Chakra, not Sasuke's body, otherwise would be Juubi's Jinchuuriki. That's what I meant.

 

[Awkward Linguist]

On par with Hag or not, Maddy solos

 

[lanakui8]

So a TBBRS is gonna hit Sasuke who can use his S/T to get away from it or swap with any one around him? Or just use his PS and fly away from it.

considering Sasuke's PS can only attack in CQC, sasuke has never shown the ability to use his S/T while using PS, sasuke's S/T technique has an incredibly short range for this kind of fight, naruto can detonate his TBBRS any time he wants to and can fire more than one. Yes, TBBRS is gonna hit Sasuke, how the heck would it not?

Naruto was the main one against Kaguya but Sasuke was the one using his Rinnegan/PS/Amaterasu over and over again non stop and using his Rinnegan in the sand dimension till Sakura and Obito saved him while Naruto only used chakra claw 5 tails strength all tailed beasts KKG on his rasenshuriken and shadow clones.

which proves naruto's overwhelming superiority prior to this powerup as Naruto was the main contributor to the fight while sasuke's main arsenal was getting fodderized.

Yes Naruto could have used shadow clones but Sasuke could have also used six paths techniques both was holding back at that time and both just now started to get serious Naruto = Sasuke this entire fight.

Why in the world would sasuke's Six path techniques have been better than his PS? That's like saying NAruto's holding back against sasuke because he hasn't summoned ma and pa, or hasn't used chou oodama rasengan.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Obito absorbed Madara's Senjutsu confirmed by Madara himself. You need Rikudou Senjutsu to use Gududama.

But Obito had no tomoes and cloak anyway, which was my point, duh

I meant Raiton with Gududama. And Gududama have Senjutsu within them.

TSB is already a mix of elements and KKGs however beings a mix its suffers to excel is certains areas while its best for verastility. Canonically senjutsu raiton owned TSB and sasuke is set for offence where raiton is better. Fighting nardo's TSB with TSB is stupid.

Susanoo's body is the container of Bijuu's Chakra, not Sasuke's body, otherwise would be Juubi's Jinchuuriki. That's what I meant.

Sasuke still had to mix that chakra himself, he is floating among it and he wouldnt have sensing if it didnt pass through him.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

So you agree you're just being a double standard, since you debate for whether he could use it in PS or not, yet with Jin Madara, call it a ''fan-fic'' feat? Okay.



Yes, those island-sized CT that showed a portion scale of a planet is defiantly pathetic. If it was Naruto, you call it Juubi's DC feat.

No moron. A goof up is when you make a mistake. I thought there was evidence for ST in susanoo but it turned out there wasn't. Learn the actual definition of a double standard. That was a screw up, not a double standard. Madara has nothing implying he can use PS as a juubi jin other than "Oh, he has a rinnegan, it's automatic" despite the fact that juubi jins sometimes have restricted dojutsu abilities (Obito). This requires scans to clear it up. However, I'm more open to the idea now, but it cannot be treated like an absolute fact. I know you want to latch on to something, but Geez!


Um, Naruto and Sasuke countered that when they were on a much lower level than they are now, so yes, by current standards, it's not impressive.

 

[Benjamin King]

No moron. A goof up is when you make a mistake. I thought there was evidence for ST in susanoo but it turned out there wasn't. Learn the actual definition of a double standard. That was a screw up, not a double standard. Madara has nothing implying he can use PS as a juubi jin other than "Oh, he has a rinnegan, it's automatic" despite the fact that juubi jins sometimes have restricted dojutsu abilities (Obito). This requires scans to clear it up. However, I'm more open to the idea now, but it cannot be treated like an absolute fact. I know you want to latch on to something, but Geez!

I don't give a shit about ST being used inside Susanoo. You argue for Sasuke if he could use ST or not, and you argue against Madara being able to us PS as Juubi's Jinchuuriki; that's called double standard, dumbass. Who said the Rinnegan is what allows him to use PS? It's Chakra manifestation, as proven when he used at a blind state. Or you believe blind state is greater than Jinchuuriki state?

Um, Naruto and Sasuke countered that when they were on a much lower level than they are now, so yes, by current standards, it's not impressive.

Your opinion /=/ our opinion. Just because you think it was unimpressive, doesn't mean it's true. But as I suspected, you would say Naruto is good at everything.

 

[Stark]

Your source is a random from NF? How this thread blew up to 6 pages with this unreliable ass source is beyond me, bring me a valid source and I may consider an error was made but till then the statement still stands.

 

[ShiroT]

Your source is a random from NF? How this thread blew up to 6 pages with this unreliable ass source is beyond me, bring me a valid source and I may consider an error was made but till then the statement still stands.

they say he's a translator who lives in japan and hasnt been wrong about a translation. ifs thats true then i'd say he's credible

 

[Mad Daz]

All Kurama says is that sasukes ability to manipulate the bijuus chakra was on par with when hagoromo split the juubi into 9 parts, which he did on his deathbed.

 

[Styles]

considering Sasuke's PS can only attack in CQC, sasuke has never shown the ability to use his S/T while using PS, sasuke's S/T technique has an incredibly short range for this kind of fight, naruto can detonate his TBBRS any time he wants to and can fire more than one. Yes, TBBRS is gonna hit Sasuke, how the heck would it not?


which proves naruto's overwhelming superiority prior to this powerup as Naruto was the main contributor to the fight while sasuke's main arsenal was getting fodderized.


Why in the world would sasuke's Six path techniques have been better than his PS? That's like saying NAruto's holding back against sasuke because he hasn't summoned ma and pa, or hasn't used chou oodama rasengan.

Sasuke's PS can't only attack in CQC he have a sword and he can use arrows. So just because he never shown it means he can't use it? The bold is exaggeration if Naruto throws it what's stopping Sasuke from switching places with the TBBRS or with Naruto in exchange they wasn't that far away from each other. Also you're forgetting Sasuke can use preta or just use PS and evade it.

Nope Naruto was holding back Sasuke was too he was trying to make Naruto fight with killing intent. PS is NOT his main arsenal.

So shinra tensei/CT/etc aren't better choices than using PS to handle some clones? and the other part don't even make sense.

 

[Benjamin King]

Your source is a random from NF? How this thread blew up to 6 pages with this unreliable ass source is beyond me, bring me a valid source and I may consider an error was made but till then the statement still stands.

What an idiot.

 

[AlphaScythian]

All Kurama says is that sasukes ability to manipulate the bijuus chakra was on par with when hagoromo split the juubi into 9 parts, which he did on his deathbed.

True, and then he also got now juubi juice just like hagoromo = on par with sage.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

I don't give a shit about ST being used inside Susanoo. You argue for Sasuke if he could use ST or not, and you argue against Madara being able to us PS as Juubi's Jinchuuriki; that's called double standard, dumbass. Who said the Rinnegan is what allows him to use PS? It's Chakra manifestation, as proven when he used at a blind state. Or you believe blind state is greater than Jinchuuriki state?



Your opinion /=/ our opinion. Just because you think it was unimpressive, doesn't mean it's true. But as I suspected, you would say Naruto is good at everything.

No it's not. A double standard is when someone goes by a line of thinking to support one thing but doesn't use it for another thing. My statements about Sasuke and Madara are not related to each other in any way. They both require their own line of thinking. I think that since Madara has a power that can fundamentally alter how a character's powers work, feats are required to show he still has the powers. For Sasuke, I literally thought there was an instance in the manga where it was stated he could do something, but it turned out it didn't, so I dropped it and admitted I screwed up. Although it turned out Naruto had BM, and Sasuke had Enton, I never acted like them having any of these abilities were facts until they were shown. Even if it goes against my fave, I go by this line of thinking. How you attribute this to double standards baffles me. Newsflash, just because you don't like what I say, doesn't make it a double standard. You can scream double standard at the top of your lungs but it doesn't make my statements one. After this, I won't be arguing with you about my thought process anymore. If you think I have double standards after this, then it's clear you're not basing it on anything but are simply lashing out with pure emotion.

 

[iNotorious]

That's why i ask if you can link it to me so i don't have to go looking for it since it takes forever xD

I will send you the link then :I

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

So you believe a random guy on the internet and post his stuff here? This is laughable.

 

[Benjamin King]

No it's not. A double standard is when someone goes by a line of thinking to support one thing but doesn't use it for another thing. My statements about Sasuke and Madara are not related to each other in any way. They both require their own line of thinking. I think that since Madara has a power that can fundamentally alter how a character's powers work, feats are required to show he still has the powers. For Sasuke, I literally thought there was an instance in the manga where it was stated he could do something, but it turned out it didn't, so I dropped it and admitted I screwed up. Although it turned out Naruto had BM, and Sasuke had Enton, I never acted like them having any of these abilities were facts until they were shown. Even if it goes against my fave, I go by this line of thinking. How you attribute this to double standards baffles me. Newsflash, just because you don't like what I say, doesn't make it a double standard. You can scream double standard at the top of your lungs but it doesn't make my statements one. After this, I won't be arguing with you about my thought process anymore. If you think I have double standards after this, then it's clear you're not basing it on anything but are simply lashing out with pure emotion.

You don't know what double standard mean, do you? You speculate whether Sasuke can ST or not, and argue for it and he hasn't shown it, then you say Madara can't use PS as Jin because he hasn't shown it; that's double standard. If you're having trouble understanding that, I can't help you or save you, sadly.

 

[TrollingSage]

I don't know how this is up for debate. Sasuke cannonically has only HALF of rikudou's power. It's obvious to everyone but fanboys that Kurama wasn't talking about overall power.

 

[AlphaScythian]

I don't know how this is up for debate. Sasuke cannonically has only HALF of rikudou's power. It's obvious to everyone but fanboys that Kurama wasn't talking about overall power.

What about 9 bijuu mixed into 1? Forgot that?