[VS] Jack vs Doffy

[Bogard]

Jack is stronger than Doflamingo for sure

Has by far the highest bounty in the series(almost the double of the previous highest from another yonko commander),dwarfing that of Luffys who defeated Doflamingo

The duke was felt to be wrong by Luffy the moment he faced him, an acknowledgement he only gave to Fujitora so far, same duke who is the king of a thousand years independent island(when you know that to be independent in the new world you either have to serve under yonkos or face them). Let's not forget as well that Fujitora was randomly picked in the new world after a world military draft to become admiral which means that such powerful people could indeed exist, let alone then in a thousand years independent island as their leaders who is also heavily implied to be the messy of the world judging by latest chapters. Nekomamushi even said their country was powerful enough to rival any of the most powerful nations in this world
We even see for example how Laws creeks treated like a baby in comparison

Jack took on the most powerful of a thousand years indeopendant island for the most part by himself for continuous days relaying each other and shortly after went to takeon 3marine powerhouses andstill managed to sink 2 of their ships

Depicted as one of Kaidos top3. More than this actually, even among the 3 he is the one dentin the most important missions(retrieving Raizo or Jack) suggesting he is number1

Luffy again praised jack's strength saying he is so strong he wonders how he can be so strong as an underling of Kaido

Everything suggest he is more powerful than Doflamingo

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Im pretty sure Jack, being the left hand of a yonko, would beat Doflomingo. Much like Marco, being the right/left hand of a yonko, would beat Doflamingo. Much like Benn Beckmen, being a right hand of a yonko, would beat doflamingo.

Jack is the right hand man of Kaido, not the left hand man.

 

[loj]

Just how could Doffy be stronger than Jack XD

 

[Zavage10]

I know doffy is strong, but come on... Jack is obviously going to be much stronger.

 

[OG sama]

Why would it be completely useless why couldn't he wrap it around someone also we don't know how jack fights I guess by hype from bounty and being so high in kaido crew yes

But at same time nothing really proves or backs this his fruit is a mammoth tbh I'm kind of having hard time seeing jack fight any aerial fighter fbh... As guy stated above if I was doffy or if the fight was to happen it would b best if doffy stayed in sky to keep himself from harm as well as have as much access to clouds as possible ..... But yeah I would no place him over doffy just yet ... There is reason Jack went to save doffy (other then potentially kaido wanting to kill him) we still have not found out what doffy has over the marines .. And if he wanted more smiles he could just simply go after Caesar ... Tho he wants doffy specifically ....

I personally just want to see more feats from Jack cuz like I said b4 I have hard time seeing Jack fight any aerial (and can add fast char for the matter) due to what his devil fruit is and the close combat like type he seems sure the gas weapon seems to make up for this but even that doffy can easily avoid if he stays In air

DD has never trapped a single person in a mini BC, so saying he can is just a baseless assumption, in fact he's never been shown to be capable of this.

We still haven't seen everything Jack can do, he probably has a hybrid form he hasn't shown yet and you don't have to know how to fly to beat Doflamingo. Jacks position in Kaidos crew coupled in with the fact that the guy has an outrageously high bounty should definitely be enough to prove he's stronger than Doffy.

Can you imagine Oda giving Jack that bounty and having him be in a Yonkos Top 3 only to be weaker than Doflamingo?

 

[KakarotxUchiha]

I think Doffy wins
>faster
>turns his surroundings into strings
>healing abilities
>can fly

all that vs a mammoth that's really huge and powerful.
they don't always fight one on one anymore like they should be.

 

[ToshiZO]

DD has never trapped a single person in a mini BC, so saying he can is just a baseless assumption, in fact he's never been shown to be capable of this.

We still haven't seen everything Jack can do, he probably has a hybrid form he hasn't shown yet and you don't have to know how to fly to beat Doflamingo. Jacks position in Kaidos crew coupled in with the fact that the guy has an outrageously high bounty should definitely be enough to prove he's stronger than Doffy.

Can you imagine Oda giving Jack that bounty and having him be in a Yonkos Top 3 only to be weaker than Doflamingo?

Doflamingo can easily be a Yonkous top 2 let alone 3. So for me Jack needs to be first mate for him to truly be above Doflamingo. That's a crucial point I'm waiting on to be sure.

 

[Skull Knight]

Doflamingo can easily be a Yonkous top 2 let alone 3. So for me Jack needs to be first mate for him to truly be above Doflamingo. That's a crucial point I'm waiting on to be sure.

u know na there are 3 calamities and jack is one of them.
with that logic there is a high chance that other 2 calamities are as strong as jack is.
howcome doffy will be No.2 in kaido's crew?

 

[OG sama]

Doflamingo can easily be a Yonkous top 2 let alone 3. So for me Jack needs to be first mate for him to truly be above Doflamingo. That's a crucial point I'm waiting on to be sure.

Its the fact that he has an outrageously high bounty coupled with the fact he is in a Yonkos 3, and the most important, he has all these crazy feats but he's being built up for the next villain either right after Doflamingo or later in the series, that's what seals the deal for me. With all this info, its just dumb to have the guy end up being weaker but thats not something that would shock me either. Hype just doesnt exist in one piece.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Re: [VS] Jack vs Doffy

u know na there are 3 calamities and jack is one of them.
with that logic there is a high chance that other 2 calamities are as strong as jack is.
howcome doffy will be No.2 in kaido's crew?

No he's saying (and I agree with him) is that doffy is strong enough to def be yonko first mate.. Everything the pirate commanders (Marco vista jozu) did during war doffy can do and than some we know Marco is first mate and what he did I feel doffy is strong enough to produce same results..

And he's saying there may b 3 main ppl under kaido but he wants to know the order and who's truly the right hand man of those three.. When he knows that then he can truly place him over doffy etc... I agree with him I find it hard seeing someone with a fruit like jacks beating doffy in one on one fight

In terms of physical capabilities he's prob stronger physically ... But with his devil fruit I don't think he'd be faster then the sky demon and that's also ... With him brig in air idk how he would hit doffy


Also keep in mind doffy is afraid of kaido not his calamities.... He'd rather face his chances with the admirals (not that hed win it be same as Marco or mid to semi diff but a long fight,but not as long as akoji and akainu) and I strongly doubt the calamities r stronger then the admirals... They prob fall under where Marco falls ... (And by feats and hype I'd put doffy there too)


As for the bounty ok it's 1bill that's because he's Apart of of yonko crew, bounties don't mean everything ace had extremely high bounty for someone who was not that strong (but had good damage output)
And also doffy bounty was frozen like 20 year ago etc... So the 1bill thing doesn't matter to me much and if doffy was to get a new bounty for all the shit he's done listing

Force expirmentation on children and kidnap them
Overthrow entire country
Mess with people's memories
Force king to kill his own people
His entire underworld market
Hide away thousands of marines and pirates (via turning them to toys)
Make illegal devil fruits (via Caesar who's under him)
Do illegal expirmentation in forbidden zone (punk hazard)
Have one of his own men take up into the marines and having him spy on them (Vergo)

Among all the other evil shit he's done
His bounty be def over 1bill but like I said bountys don't mean shit.. Yet ppl r using it in the jack arguments

DD has never trapped a single person in a mini BC, so saying he can is just a baseless assumption, in fact he's never been shown to be capable of this.

We still haven't seen everything Jack can do, he probably has a hybrid form he hasn't shown yet and you don't have to know how to fly to beat Doflamingo. Jacks position in Kaidos crew coupled in with the fact that the guy has an outrageously high bounty should definitely be enough to prove he's stronger than Doffy.

Can you imagine Oda giving Jack that bounty and having him be in a Yonkos Top 3 only to be weaker than Doflamingo?

I mean I imagine and by feats can prove that doffy is strong enough to def be a yonko first mate ... Bounties don't mean anything ace had high bounty look at him.... Also doffy bounty was frozen like 10-20 years before start of series if he gets new bounty for all the shit that he's done its likley higher then 1 bill
Not to mention if it did mean anything it just means that he has the strength of two luffys or two laws or two ace's

Which is what was needed to take out doffy extreme diff... (And some civilians/collosium guards)
Cuz luffy plus law equals 1bill in terms of bounty if u really want to use bounty as an argument...


U say we haven't seen what jack can do is correct which is why I won't place him over doffy yet

Even with the portrayal .. Doffy seemed to b just as important to kaido as Jack was (difference is is that Jack is apart of crew and doffy makes his crew stronger via smile etc) (also does kaido even care about his crew ? I mean he wants to die...)

He's a mammoth I'm sorry until I c it I don't c him beating him

He's def most likely physically stronger then doffy and prob more stamina

Durability is debatable cuz of all feats doffy shown

Speed goes to doffy

And reflexes goes to doffy

Gonna give ardamanet haki toss up but most likely Jack if his df is what I think it's like


King haki don't think Jack has it



Df prowess def goes to doffy until it states in manga that Jack unlocked his fruit and he shows it to profiency that doffy does...


Aside from that if I know a person is physically stronger then me imma keep my distance which doffy can easily do... I fail to c how a mammoth would even remotely hit doffy if anything it b bad match up for Jack but at same time doffy can best Jack in a few areas

 

[ToshiZO]

u know na there are 3 calamities and jack is one of them.
with that logic there is a high chance that other 2 calamities are as strong as jack is.
howcome doffy will be No.2 in kaido's crew?

If there are 3 people under Kaido on Jacks level than Jack for sure without a doubt is weaker than Marco. The scale of the Yonkou would be too one sided if Kaido had 3 close to Admiral level underlings.

 

[OG sama]

I mean I imagine and by feats can prove that doffy is strong enough to def be a yonko first mate ... Bounties don't mean anything ace had high bounty look at him.... Also doffy bounty was frozen like 10-20 years before start of series if he gets new bounty for all the shit that he's done its likley higher then 1 bill
Not to mention if it did mean anything it just means that he has the strength of two luffys or two laws or two ace's

Which is what was needed to take out doffy extreme diff... (And some civilians/collosium guards)
Cuz luffy plus law equals 1bill in terms of bounty if u really want to use bounty as an argument...


U say we haven't seen what jack can do is correct which is why I won't place him over doffy yet

Even with the portrayal .. Doffy seemed to b just as important to kaido as Jack was (difference is is that Jack is apart of crew and doffy makes his crew stronger via smile etc) (also does kaido even care about his crew ? I mean he wants to die...)

He's a mammoth I'm sorry until I c it I don't c him beating him

He's def most likely physically stronger then doffy and prob more stamina

Durability is debatable cuz of all feats doffy shown

Speed goes to doffy

And reflexes goes to doffy

Gonna give ardamanet haki toss up but most likely Jack if his df is what I think it's like


King haki don't think Jack has it



Df prowess def goes to doffy until it states in manga that Jack unlocked his fruit and he shows it to profiency that doffy does...


Aside from that if I know a person is physically stronger then me imma keep my distance which doffy can easily do... I fail to c how a mammoth would even remotely hit doffy if anything it b bad match up for Jack but at same time doffy can best Jack in a few areas

Its not only his bounty and his position but the fact that he has all that and he's being set up for the next villain after Doflamingo. That's what seals it for me, he's not going to get all this crazy hype so he can be weaker than the last arcs villain and the fact that is a mammoth one of the most useless fruits to have in a fight with two speedsters like Law or Luffy has to give for something. Basically what I'm saying is that Jack probably has a very strong hybrid mode that's fast or something because a big ass mammoth isn't going to cut it.

 

[Persona]

What can this dumb mammoth do against sixteen holy ammo?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Jack is stronger

 

[Strict]

Jack isn't that strong. Doffy also had no problems in restraining Jozu - Whitebeards Top 3. If Doffy restrains Jack with ropes wattled from his vastly durable strings, he will be left disabled. Then Doffy is free to do whatever he likes.

Doffys advantage is his versatility. Jack is seemingly limited to brute force.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Its the fact that he has an outrageously high bounty coupled with the fact he is in a Yonkos 3, and the most important, he has all these crazy feats but he's being built up for the next villain either right after Doflamingo or later in the series, that's what seals the deal for me. With all this info, its just dumb to have the guy end up being weaker but thats not something that would shock me either. Hype just doesnt exist in one piece.

Ace had a 500 mil bounty(higher than Doffy's) and was in the top 3 seat of WB's crew(despite some arguing he isn't the 3rd strongest) Until we see more from Jack you're clinging to numbers and titles to prove he's stronger when that's been proven to not be a good gauge and Doffy had been given an exceptional showing at DR. We've still yet to see any haki from Jack and Doffy was shown to have pretty exceptional haki and he has conq. haki which if he can do a fraction of what Shanks can with it is an effective weapon against non wielders.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Re: [VS] Jack vs Doffy

Seriously it depends on alot of things, and we dont know Jack true strength yet, all we know is that he has a good amount of stamina.

This and we've seen zoans bar Marco to be one demensional fighters also doffy knows how strong jack is ... He would keep distance and he has some sort of mammoth fruit and close range fighter ... As seen with minks doffy has no problem close range but just in case if he's over powered again long distance could be very possible

By feats doffy wins


Hype wise ehhh doffy had a lot of hype that he actually lived up to etc... But still haven't seen what jack can fully do so with that being said we can't tell...
I will say that doffy has less stamina then Jack tho lol

Jack wins. Let's see Doffy fight Inu+Neko for 5 days without any breaks.

And. By his feats why couldn't he just place a bird cage around the mink island thing (not fully around elephant) and just destory them...? If Fuji couldn't break it why would they do lol...

Jack high diff, his position in a Yonkos crew + his outrageously higher bounty is enough for him to get the win.

Higher bounty doesn't equate doffy had his frozen almost 20 years ago -/- if u add everything the marines know about him now would u rate his bounty still at 340?


Also doffy is not some subordinate like the others say he had a partner ship with kaido which kaido profited more in terms of military power and doffy most likely monitary value... And was a king for entire country -/-

Using Jack working under someone as proof of Doflamingo being close to him in strength doesn't even make sense, they are close but you brought it up as if it mattered. With that kind of logic pre skip Luffy should be stronger than Jack cause he's a captain and not working under anyone, that's all I'm saying bro.

True but it wouldn't make him the stronger of the two, BC is indestructible. If DD ran from Akainu while in BC and only won because he flew All the way to top and Akainu couldn't reach him up there, would you say DD is >Akainu? No because its a cheap ass way to win. If you found it necessary to hide and run away from your opponent you already loss.

Answer this, why is using your own attack considered cheap ? I don't understand in actual fight u want to win correct ? So if that is the case and u have something that's stronger then someone else why not use it ? It's not your fault that the opponent can't break it ?

 

[OG sama]

Answer this, why is using your own attack considered cheap ? I don't understand in actual fight u want to win correct ? So if that is the case and u have something that's stronger then someone else why not use it ? It's not your fault that the opponent can't break it ?

Its not, but if you need to run away you have already lost. That's one thing about BC, its indestructible but at least if you're strong enough to beat Doflamingo in time its nothing to worry about.

Anyways I'm just going to wait till we get feats from Jack before I decide who's stronger.

 

[Strict]

Bounty isn't an argument. Blackbeard had a bounty of 0 and defeated 550 Mil bounty Ace. Jack got his bounty from devastation. Doffy got 340 Mil which does not include him being the biggest underworld broker, selling weapons to promote wars, selling artificial Devil Fruits keeping a part of Dressrosa as puppet slaves and in the end wanting to annihilate a whole country.

Jack has no real feats. His power is based on brute force. Doffy's advantage is his versatility. Turning the whole battlefield into Strings, restraining him with a couple of Strings and piercing him with 1000 arrows, 16 rounds of holy ammo and whatever he desires.

 

[MasqueradeNX]

Dolfamingo would win the fight but hes not stronger, Jack looks like a physical powerhouse but yeah thats it. Doflamingo is stronger overall i think. As for the bounty Doflamingo did all his pirating underground under a alias as well he was a Warlord so he wouldn't of gotten a higher bounty. If mingo did what he did openly and not under JOKER he would have a huge bounty So bounty doesnt always mean win.

Doflamingo is quick agile and he can somewhat fly. Also he can make clones with his string and he can fix himself. Not to mention the awakened DF and Bird cage. Jack is huge and i dont think he could deal with Mingo.