[Discussion] Izuna was better than madara before you know....

[~Zonta~]

They where equal based on MS.

Also Izuna seemed to have better controll over hes MS.

Since Madara spammed hes MS thus Madara was loosing hes eyesight.

Izuna gave/was taken hes eyes to Madara.

Madara became EMS user.

After this Izuna was out of the comparisson.

Since Izuna was blind after this.


For some reason I think , that both of them had Susanoo + something else.


But Perfect Susanoo is EMS technique only.


So Perfect susanoo originates from Izuna.

They may be on par but Madara fought Hashirama so may be he lost his eye sight early since Hashirama was whole other level
And Izuna did not fight with Hashirama since Madara always fought Hashirama since he knew Hashirama will defeat Izuna easily...
Hashirama and Madara were in the league of their own....... So I don't think Izuna was on par with Madara but might give him hard time......

 

[chopstickchakra]

Wow dude you need to re-read the manga.

All of Sasuke's current known abilities he had BEFORE he implanted Itatchi's eyes, just so happens they have similar ones. It was probably same for Izuna and Madara.

It has not been confirmed EMS gives you additional abilities or the abilities of the original owner of the eyes. All we know right now EMS gives you a power up to existing MS abilities and the eyes don't lose their light. So you can't say all Madara's powers were Izuna's or even they were, were in the same scale.

Also the manga made it VERY clear. Madara awakened and removed the Rinnegan before even meeting Obito!!! How the heck could Obito have given them to Nagato as a child, when Nagato is clearly OLDER THAN OBITO?

Remember... Nagato was one Juriya's first students, so that would at least make him the same age if not older than Minato who was Obito's sensei.

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shows Itachi gave Sasuke Amaterasu

 

[Draxus]

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shows Itachi gave Sasuke Amaterasu

It show he gave him a one shot AMA that activated when he saw Tobi. Sasuke awakened MS after that.

 

[Waltz]

Here's why i disagree. Two reasons...
->1

If Minato didn't give Naruto the kyuubi he'd be nothing
If Obito didn't give kakashi the shainrgan he'd be nothing
If Madara didn't give Nagato his eyes he'd be nothing
If Danzo hadn't taken the sharingan he'd be nothing
If Tobirama didn't develop ST Nijutsu Minato wouldn't have FTG and wouldn't been nothing

Should i go on?

->2

Retrieving anthers eyes to advance in the sharingan is a NATURAL power-up because its the NATURAL established, documented way to advance the doujutsu.

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

I saw a post about Izuna being strong that inspired this.

We all know Izuna gave Madara his eyes. What I am propositioning is the fact that Madaras' hype is due to and should be directed towards Izuna.

I know a lot won't agree but hear me out. A lot of people here are pooping themselves over Madara's Susan'o and his raining comets skill(forget what it was called, whatever) and all of his other amazing powers.

Well remember Izuna gave him those eyes that have all those powers. Wouldn't that mean Izuna was a badass. In theory if Izuna hadn't given his eyes to Madara, Izuna would/should be the most feared Uchiha.

Idk if i made my train of thought clear but overall point is Izuna's sharingan was boss and those who don't agree must think Madara's sharingan also is not boss seeing as he has Izunas.

The End.

Madara's current eyes are a combo of his own and Izuna's. They aren't just Izuna's eyes. Like others have said, they were said to have been equal.