Izuna possessed Kotoamatsukami. It was used on both Madara & Obito.

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Welcome. I'm now going to write down some speculations on what could have happened if Izuna possessed the Kotoamatsukami.

There was a constant strife between the Senju & the Uchiha. But they grew tired on fighting and decided to join forces all but the leader of the Uchiha, Madara.

(Speculation.)
I think Madara grew tired of it first, before everyone else and wanted to end the war waaay earlier than the rest but his brother disagreed. Izuna used his Kotoamatsukami on his brother so that he could never stop fighting the Senju. Izuna also ordered Madara to take his eyes so that the Uchiha would triumph. Madara had no choice to but to agree influenced by the Kotoamatsukami.(/)

When the Senju & the Uchiha joined forces Madara could simply not accept it. Being under the command of their sworn enemy that his brother had died to triumph over.

Kotoamatsukami does not wear off. Madara will fight the Senju til the day he dies.

He battled Hashirama but failed. He somehow survived (probaly thanks to Zetsu) and lived to hate the Senju and the betrayal of his comrades.


Decades passed, Madara now possessing his brother's eyes had Kotoamatsukami and it could be used once again. He took refugee in the the Hidden Mist Village secretly controlling it by taking control over the Mizukage Yagura with Izuna's non Kotoamatsukami eye. (Just like how Danzo did at the Kage meeting)
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Madara prolonged his life thanks to Zetsu and was constantly looking for a fitting substitue.
He managed to find an Uchiha with the same eyes as himself. These eyes uses the Space–Time Migration. (Just like how Shisue had the same eyes as Izuna) This man would become his substitue. His replacement that would continue the fight against the Senju when Madara himself would slowly fade away due to his overwhelming age. This man was Obito.

Izuna's Kotoamatsukami was now used for the last time on Obito. From this point Zetsu follows and helps Obito. This is where Obito's journey as Tobi begins.

This is how Obito survived. Or he just got rebuilt by Zetsu.

Madara join forces with Itachi to slay the Uchiha clan for betraying him. He dies in the act and is never to be seen again.
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Obito manages to take control over the nine tails at rougly the age of 14-16 and attacks Konoha but stopped by the Fourth hokage. (His former teacher).

Obito is the same age as Kakashi when this happends, this is a picture of a young Kakashi at the same time.
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Sasuke & Orochimaru will now go and find out the truth behind the coup'd'état but will instead find out that Madara died in the Uchiha massacree.
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This theory do have flaws like any other. The switch of masks would make sense but that would mean that Obito used Madara's mask against Minato and then made a new one.

But i hope you enjoyed reading it as much as i did writing it. My brain hurts thought.
 

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Eehm... Wow... That's not bad at all!
I like it, even though some of it is probably definitely not true.
He may have the same eyes as Obito, that explains why they took the eyes of a fail Uchiha in the first place. I don't think Madara died in the Uchiha Massacre, and Obito's voice couldn't have gotten so low at the age of 16.

But I like your theory! +rep
 

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but ...........but why though?

Why? What do you mean?

Izuna did not want Madara to negotiate peace with the Senju. That is where it all started.

The only perspective of how Izuna actually was that we know is Madara's. He said he wanted peace. But his perspective was corrupted by Kotoamatsukami.

Izuna wanted war.
 

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Forsberg, you mother****ing genius. Flawless, absolutely flawless. Seriously though, it could be possible, but like you said, its just speculation. Btw Tobirama>Izuna.
 

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Forsberg, you mother****ing genius. Flawless, absolutely flawless. Seriously though, it could be possible, but like you said, its just speculation. Btw Tobirama>Izuna.

Thank you!
But it does have some minor flaws. For example Obito's eye should be crushed.

Izuna will forever stomp your beloved kage.

Izuna > Tobirama.
 

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Hmm good guess, but it might not be true. i mean there is a discord between manga and anime.
 

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This is a new perspective...I like it. Who is to say that Shisui was the first to attain KA? Great way to look at it Forsberg.
 

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This is a new perspective...I like it. Who is to say that Shisui was the first to attain KA? Great way to look at it Forsberg.

Thank you.

I'm mostly trying to find new perspective on things. I'm actually way more excited to get replies from proper members like yourself on this thread than my other ones. I find in-depth theories much more interesting. I think it's a shame that this thread got no attention whatsoever.

Constructive criticism from others is key.

Fail thread

Indeed.
 
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If Nagato really has Madara's eyes then that means Madara died when Nagato was a child so he couldn't have met Obito.
 

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Thank you.

I'm mostly trying to find new perspective on things. I'm actually way more excited to get replies from proper members like yourself on this thread than my other ones. I find in-depth theories much more interesting. I think it's a shame that this thread got no attention whatsoever.

Constructive criticism from others is key.



Indeed.

It's all plausible, in a way. It's difficult to absorb what you have said as well. Mostly for those who dismiss your theory without actually thinking about it, and the possibility that it could be true.
 

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interesting theory.
Though I would really hate it if Obito was tobi.
But I'm confused as to why they would go to the Uchiha massacre.
Whats the reasoning behind that?
 
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