Izanami is NOT an asspull

[Joon]

He still wouldn't need Izanami to make him undo it, normal MS genjutsu can make him do so, the reason Itachi used Izanami was because he felt sorry for Kabuto and nothing else.

You are wrong.

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[Uchihakil]

Thank you for proving my point. Kishi rewrote Izanagis story. Its an asspull.

Dont get me wrong I like Itachis story for Izanagi better. But I been reading Naruto since the beggining and know an obvious asspull like this.

More like kishi made a mistake of saying hashi dna is needed when its an UCHIHA kinjutsu that dated waay back, hashi dna should just prelong the effects of izanagi, izanagi is a YIN only ability, why the heck is hashis dna a qualification

 

[Jokule67]

Yes correct: Only those with power of Uchiha and Senju can use Izanagi. But that is not the case with Izanami. You dont need Senju for Izanami, which is why it was created within the Uchiha Clan.

Meh. Stop hating. Other characters get their own abilities. And even upgrades.

Like Sakura, learning to be strong.

Izanami was created to counter Izanagi spams. But izanagi couldnt have been spammed. Simple as that.

Bad writing. Shit story. Asspull follows.

 

[SenseiSama]

You are wrong.

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[Jokule67]

More like kishi made a mistake of saying hashi dna is needed when its an UCHIHA kinjutsu that dated waay back, hashi dna should just prelong the effects of izanagi, izanagi is a YIN only ability, why the heck is hashis dna a qualification

Dude really? Izanagi is a practical use of the Sages creation of all things. You need both the uchihas yin and senjus yang to accomplish it. Thats why not anyine can use izanagi.

Kishi created a plothole to stuff in an asspull.

 

[Joon]

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He didn't do it. There must be a reason.

 

[Jokule67]

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Thats not the same jutsu used against Kabuto stop lying please. He used Crow Doppleganger.

 

[SilverfoxUchiha]

Why are you even messaging me if not for a real debate? Looks like you hating on me bruh

Of course its a real debate.

How is Izanami an asspull? Because as you say, only certain uchihas can use it? Nah, that does not make it an asspull. Its an Uchiha tech.

You might as well say that Naruto learning Sage Mode was an asspull, or as i said, Kakashi using the MS.

Izanami and Izanagi are usually presented as a pair in other folklore. so its hardly surprising it was introduced to the manga by Itachi.

Maybe you need a reminder on what an asspull actually is bro.

KAGUYA was an asspull. That is an asspull. Izanami is a legit tech. You jus hating on the greatness of Uchiha.

 

[Uchihakil]

Izanami was created to counter Izanagi spams. But izanagi couldnt have been spammed. Simple as that.

Bad writing. Shit story. Asspull follows.

What I want you to understand is, hashi dna is not a primary factor, it's a secondary factor, it's not possible for other uchihas to have used izanagi back in the day when they had no hashi dna, and it won't be a kinjutsu for the uchiha's,so if you think bout it, the reasonable thing is hashi dna just prolongs the technique

 

[Jokule67]

What I want you to understand is, hashi dna is not a primary factor, it's a secondary factor, it's not possible for other uchihas to have used izanagi back in the day when they had no hashi dna, and it won't be a kinjutsu for the uchiha's,so if you think bout it, the reasonable thing is hashi dna just prolongs the technique

I get you man. I just dont see a point in making sense off something that doesnt make sense. Kishi messed this part of the story up.

Even with hashi dna the tech only lasts seconds.

 

[Jokule67]

Of course its a real debate.

How is Izanami an asspull? Because as you say, only certain uchihas can use it? Nah, that does not make it an asspull. Its an Uchiha tech.

You might as well say that Naruto learning Sage Mode was an asspull, or as i said, Kakashi using the MS.

Izanami and Izanagi are usually presented as a pair in other folklaw so its hardly surprising it was introduced to the manga by Itachi.

Maybe you need a reminder on what an asspull actually is bro.

KAGUYA was an asspull. That is an asspull. Izanami is a legit tech. You jus hating thats all.

If you dont get why its an asspull then you obviously arent following the story or just came in on a late arc. Maybe war arc

 

[SilverfoxUchiha]

If you dont get why its an asspull then you obviously arent following the story or just came in on a late arc. Maybe war arc

I been following Naruto since he made his first shadow clone.

I can see where you are trying to call out asspull but its not validated.

 

[Jokule67]

I been following Naruto since he made his first shadow clone.

I can see where you are trying to call out asspull but its not validated.

It is an asspull.

1) Izanagi is a move only usable by those with Uchiha/Senju powers. Madara is FIRST and only to achieve this followed by Obito and Sasuke.
2) Izanami was claimed to be created to ward off excessive izanagi users.

3) asspull for the fact that there were NO other izanagi users before Madara.

The stories dont line up and outright contradict.

 

[SilverfoxUchiha]

It is an asspull.

1) Izanagi is a move only usable by those with Uchiha/Senju powers. Madara is FIRST to achieve this.
2) Izanami was claimed to be created to ward off excessive izanagi users.

3) asspull for the fact that there were NO other izanagi users before Madara.

The term you are looking for is Plothole. A Plothole and some bad writing on Kishis part as yes, Madara was the first Uchiha to have used Izanagi as he was the first to have combined the Senju DNA.


An asspull was not needed to defeat Kabuto. So i will put that down as a Plothole.

An asspull was needed to defeat Madara.

Edit: Actually, how can you he so sure another transmigrant hadnt actually managed to have combined the DNA. Thus leading to the creation of Izanami? There WERE other transmigrants.

 

[Rohan]

I would say it was considering Kabuto hard countered all of their techniques. And we all know Kabuto had to go down for the plot to progress. kun:

 

[SilverfoxUchiha]

I would say it was considering Kabuto hard countered all of their techniques. And we all know Kabuto had to go down for the plot to progress. kun:

Well... is what it is.

If it was an asspull on the mangakas part then it subsequently became canon.

In the same way that the asspull of Kaguya became canon when kishi couldnt find a way to defeat Madara.

 

[Jokule67]

The term you are looking for is Plothole. A Plothole and some bad writing on Kishis part as yes, Madara was the first Uchiha to have used Izanagi as he was the first to have combined the Senju DNA.


An asspull was not needed to defeat Kabuto. So i will put that down as a Plothole.

An asspull was needed to defeat Madara.

Edit: Actually, how can you he so sure another transmigrant hadnt actually managed to have combined the DNA. Thus leading to the creation of Izanami? There WERE other transmigrants.

I already said it was a plothole giving birth to an asspull. Izanami has no basis to which it was created. Therefore its an asspull.

Manga and Black Zetsu stated madara is the only one to do it. Also Itachi story states the WHOLE CLAN used Izanagi. So in his words his whole clan were Mini Rikoudo Sages containing senju dna. The whole fight vs ksbuto is an asspull.

He created a shit backstory for izanagi and created izanami just to oneshot Kabuto who was virtually invincible.

 

[Uchihakil]

I would say it was considering Kabuto hard countered all of their techniques. And we all know Kabuto had to go down for the plot to progress. kun:

Nope he did'nt counter totsuka, and don't forget itachi was holding back also and told sasuke not to attack kabuto, kabuto would have been lit on amaterasu the whole fight (itachi has Infinite chakra), if he does'nt want to oneshot with totsuka that is

 

[Jokule67]

Nope he did'nt counter totsuka, and don't forget itachi was holding back also and told sasuke not to attack kabuto, kabuto would have been lit on amaterasu the whole fight (itachi has Infinite chakra), if he does'nt want to oneshot with totsuka that is

He can easily dodge totsuka why does everything Totsuka is lightning fast? It cant catch kabuto

You dont have to face a movee head on to counter it, thats what fools do.

 

[Uchihakil]

I already said it was a plothole giving birth to an asspull. Izanami has no basis to which it was created. Therefore its an asspull.

Manga and Black Zetsu stated madara is the only one to do it. Also Itachi story states the WHOLE CLAN used Izanagi. So in his words his whole clan were Mini Rikoudo Sages containing senju dna. The whole fight vs ksbuto is an asspull.

He created a shit backstory for izanagi and created izanami just to oneshot Kabuto who was virtually invincible.

Nope it was never stated that madara was the sole user, I'll need mangafact for that, it was stated that it was an uchiha kinjutsu, nobody said (BZ and the rest) who invented it, we just know the uchiha's did, you'll have to give us proof that uchiha's before madara did'nt use izanagi also, as nobody said madara invented the technique