Izanami is effective in battle situation.

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A huge portion of members on NB believe that izanami is useless in battle because it only works on arrogant people(like kabuto). At first i believed that to be true but after reading through second time it found this claim to be false.

One of the most common arguments was that itachi said that it cant be used in an actual fight. Itachi said that it cant REALLY be used in an actual fight because it offers a way for your opponent to escape(not that the jutsu cant be used in a battle its just a huge risk because it allows a way for your opponent to escape) which makes it dangerous for the user. This is also the reason it became a forbidden technique.
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Another common argument is that it only works on arrogant people or people that are similar to kabuto. For one when have we ever heard or seen a jutsu that can only be activated in a particular situation. On top of that nowhere in this chapter does it say that it can be used only on arrogant people. Its created purpose was to teach arrogant uchihas a valuable lesson. For example a baseball bat's creative purpose is to be used to hit a ball in the sport called baseball. But just because it was created for that purpose does not mean that it cannot be used for other things Like a weapon for beating the crap out of someone you dont like.
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It seemed to me that many readers(like myself at first) thought that it only works on arrogant people because itachi presented examples of how he and kabuto were both arrogant. itachi compared kabuto to himself because he relate to kabuto and itachi understands kabutos mindset.Itachi is doing kabuto a favor by using izanami to teach him a valuble lesson( because this is the jutsus creative purpose) before he kills him.
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As for activating izanami, the user of izanami does not need to specifically know your opponents flaws because that is the victims job to identify and accept. If you look at kabutos loop there is no dialouge in his loop of him claiming he is someone else yet hes trapped in izanami. This is because The loop is not based off of your opponents flaw. ANYONE can be caught in the loop. The common misconception is that the loop is set on the victims flaw when really the loop is there to show your opponent there flaw. (This is true because that is why itachi hasn't killed kabuto yet hes using the loop to show kabuto his flaw). I like to think of this as a mental timeout. While your in the loop its similar to when you tell a child to sit in a corner and think about what you did and when they understand what they did and realize that it was wrong then they can leave.
so what im simply trying to say is that the loop does not need a flaw to be set upon, it is simply a tool that is used to show your enemy a way out. Which means anyone can be put in the loop with no need to identify your opponents flaw.

(The following it a copy and paste of izanamis ability off of naruto wiki.)
Despite being able to become consciously aware of their situation, the victim is unable to significantly alter or escape from the inevitable progression of these events, except by acknowledging the results of what they have done and stop trying to run away.[5] Whilst under the effects of the technique, the target will stand motionlessly as the loop of events continually replays inside their mind.[6] Because this technique was created as a counter to Izanagi, the victim is able to escape the infinite loop by simply accepting their fate.[7]

Nowhere here does it specify that only arrogant people get caught in this loop. It only takes longer for arrogant people to break the loop but it can be casted upon anyone. Once casted the victim has to still identify their fate that the user has brought before them and the victim must accept it. And all during this time the victim is standing still unable to move until they identify there fate and accept it to break the genjutsu. For this reason and the fact that any of a persons senses can trigger Izanami's effect i see Izanami as a costly but still a very effective jutsu no matter who it is casted on.

EDIT:Switched manga pages to *********** translation.
 
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+ fukin rep bro. I was going to make a thread like this but I was to lazy. Damn already repped you but I will next time.
 

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wtf said that it could only be used on arrogant people? they failed at life?

like seriously why would you think that izanami can only be used on arrogant people? smh....

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Dude + rep i first wanted to create a thread on this issue but ive another thread in mind therefore didnt. People who oppose the technique are usually people who either dont get how it works, or people who hate itachi for being the batman of naruto or just oppose it because it stops certain vs threads.

As itachi said himself "a jutsu with a way to escape is dangerous and cant REALLY be used in an actual fight, that is why it became a kinjutsu". First of all of all he said really. The use word REALLY hints that although it can but majority of the times it cannot because there is way to escape it that is why it became forbidden, because there is a way of escaping.
 

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wtf said that it could only be used on arrogant people? they failed at life?

like seriously why would you think that izanami can only be used on arrogant people? smh....

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I've heard worst. Some people say "it only works if you don't believe in yourself".

A misconception is that it only works on bad guys and that's just false.
 

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Dude + rep i first wanted to create a thread on this issue but ive another thread in mind therefore didnt. People who oppose the technique are usually people who either dont get how it works, or people who hate itachi for being the batman of naruto or just oppose it because it stops certain vs threads.

As itachi said himself "a jutsu with a way to escape is dangerous and cant REALLY be used in an actual fight, that is why it became a kinjutsu". First of all of all he said really. The use word REALLY hints that although it can but majority of the times it cannot because there is way to escape it that is why it became forbidden, because there is a way of escaping.

i agree 100%
 

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i was just about to go nutz because i seen like 12 people say it couldnt work in a fight.

like what the hell

if your motionless for even a second against itachi you could kill you instantly meaning its not a one shit kill like everyone wanted but a two shot say izanami amaterasu game over
 

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i agree 100%

Saying that i do however understand why some people who oppose might have a point. There is an argument which goes both ways in this chapter and i guess when another user uses it in a fight or when the databook gets released will we be certain whether it can or cannot be used. It did prove successful in this fight though, although the occasion permitted.

But as the manga said, it was labelled a kinjutsu because it can be broken and thats about it
 
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I enjoyed reading that, full on information. Well done.
 
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I don't remember anyone saying arrogant people in particular, WHAT was the main argument remains. That is prior info, not on their abilities, but their character/view of themselves. This could include several things, arrogance just happen to be key in Kabuto's situation and Itachi knew that because...he could relate. Now, could this be easily used on an opponent that you are unfamiliar with and have no intel on, that reminds questionable. As this technique needs something to be set upon, you set it upon some random fact without knowing something about the person.

In a sense it's like Kin-Gin sealing jar (I don't know why I just noticed a similarity)

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it should have been left at this, as ppl like to use scans as facts.

stop overestimating uchiha's, yes they're BA without a doubt but even Itachi knows sometimes shyt is over-hyped
 
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Itachi said it can't be used in battle / Thread

Would you argue against Itachi's words ?:cool: + takes long time
 

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Okay who said that izanami is not a dangerous jutsu
its effective in battle and it is very much effective on guys like sasuke, madara, kabuto
becoz they have got a perception in their mind that the path which they are walking is the correct path whereas they will never choose the correct path and they will be in the loop forever becoz that is what izanami is
if you do not admit your mistakes and choose the correct path you will be in the infinite loop and that is plus point of the jutsu imo and it is as deadly as izanagi imo
 

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Itachi said it can't be used in battle / Thread

Would you argue against Itachi's words ?:cool: + takes long time

Try using your head to infer things in different situations.

Kabuto said Edo Tensei had absolutely "No drawbacks". Yet nearly all of his pawns have been defeated in battle.
 

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ppl think when itachi says it's not good for a fight that means any and all situations, I bet they'd think if ten-ten ran up and said lets fight, that Izanami is useless, but it'd be stupid to use in a fight if the person under the jutsu has back up, in a 1 vs 1 situation you are dead, a fight can have more than just two ppl, and you wouldn't want to lose an eye and have to deal with their partner.
 

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I don't remember anyone saying arrogant people in particular, WHAT was the main argument remains. That is prior info, not on their abilities, but their character/view of themselves. This could include several things, arrogance just happen to be key in Kabuto's situation and Itachi knew that because...he could relate. Now, could this be easily used on an opponent that you are unfamiliar with and have no intel on, that reminds questionable. As this technique needs something to be set upon, you set it upon some random fact without knowing something about the person.

In a sense it's like Kin-Gin sealing jar (I don't know why I just noticed a similarity)

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it should have been left at this, as ppl like to use scans as facts.

stop overestimating uchiha's, yes they're BA without a doubt but even Itachi knows sometimes shyt is over-hyped

everyone has flaws therefore the jutsu can be set upon whatever your opponents flaws and you are underrating itachi he has shown great ability to identify his opponents and even his own flaws so i have no doubt that he would be able to trap many shinobi in izanami because of his ability to identify peoples weakness.
 

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I don't remember anyone saying arrogant people in particular, WHAT was the main argument remains. That is prior info, not on their abilities, but their character/view of themselves. This could include several things, arrogance just happen to be key in Kabuto's situation and Itachi knew that because...he could relate. Now, could this be easily used on an opponent that you are unfamiliar with and have no intel on, that reminds questionable. As this technique needs something to be set upon, you set it upon some random fact without knowing something about the person.

In a sense it's like Kin-Gin sealing jar (I don't know why I just noticed a similarity)

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it should have been left at this, as ppl like to use scans as facts.

stop overestimating uchiha's, yes they're BA without a doubt but even Itachi knows sometimes shyt is over-hyped

Izanami can be used without intel, all it takes is knowing the object of an opponent, you don't just fight someone for no reason, you fight them to prevent them from doing something, whether it is kidnapping a noble, or crushing leaf village.

Izanami will force them to give this objective up, or give up intermediate objectives that will bring them toward this goal.
 
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