It's Official, this manga is solely about Powerups

[Twisted007]

The story telling is badd ,, people fight or have wars because they have conflict in interest. But right now they fight to show jutsu's, your right about that. Kishimoto can be a good mangaka, he wrote Gaara, Itachi, Kushina ect. very well but he is ****ing his story up right now.

 

[Twisted007]

I'm not totally bothered by it. Not every chapter needs to be plot progression. There needs to be character development. Example; Shino. WHEN IS THE LAST TIME MINUS SASUKE'S RECENT CHAPTER THAT HE'S HAD PANEL TIME? You won't even remember. Thus, it gives light to under-developed, non-utilized characters. The only thing I wish Kishi would do right now is just let Sasuke go apeshit on Madara once he realizes he's there. Then we get Sasuke's Perfect Susanoo and yea... Brawl.

Is Shino developed now that he got to show a new jutsu?

 

[AGoodBoy]

So true. It's what i've kept saying.

Really, this war may have been the worst idea kishi had. Instead of the war, he could've just had a small hunt for sasuke where a few kage, and shinobi go off to fight sasuke, kabuto, taka, and maybe som eother person to keep it interesting...

Leave out the urban legends(juubi) and past hero's(ET). One of the first things he tried to bring across is that the new generation will surpass the old and that hard work and determination beats sheer genius. I think he either forgot about those ideas, or he got tired after 11(?) years and just said the manga had to end and tried to pull in as much information as he can on everyone in the shortest time...

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

So true. It's what i've kept saying.

Really, this war may have been the worst idea kishi had. Instead of the war, he could've just had a small hunt for sasuke where a few kage, and shinobi go off to fight sasuke, kabuto, taka, and maybe som eother person to keep it interesting...

Leave out the urban legends(juubi) and past hero's(ET). One of the first things he tried to bring across is that the new generation will surpass the old and that hard work and determination beats sheer genius. I think he either forgot about those ideas, or he got tired after 11(?) years and just said the manga had to end and tried to pull in as much information as he can on everyone in the shortest time...

Thank you-nice that you actually agree with me for once ;D

I made a whole thread about the ruined 'new generation surpass the old' theme and I got torn apart on this forum for saying so... And yeah I like that Sasuke hunt idea, like there could be a war in the background but Naruto's group realises it's just a diversion to get the jinchuuriki, and they use it as a diversion to get Sasuke back. The war really didn't have to be such a big deal if Kishi didn't want to develop the war like he hasnt been doing.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Honestly even if Kishi developed characters people would have whined and called it boring or they want to see people fighting and so on and so forth. No matter what Kishi does, someone is always gonna complain.
Just look at this thread:

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It is a list of things people complain about and every second line contradicts the first. It is quite funny really.

The people who watch for big boss battles and showcase jutsu would be whining. These idiots who thought the Kabuto flashback was boring because they wanted to get back to the battle or complain about Kakashi/Obito constantly need to put down this manga and just go watch Dragon Ball Z repeats.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Thank you-nice that you actually agree with me for once ;D

I made a whole thread about the ruined 'new generation surpass the old' theme and I got torn apart on this forum for saying so... And yeah I like that Sasuke hunt idea, like there could be a war in the background but Naruto's group realises it's just a diversion to get the jinchuuriki, and they use it as a diversion to get Sasuke back. The war really didn't have to be such a big deal if Kishi didn't want to develop the war like he hasnt been doing.

I never have? lol sorry then D:

I know what you mean. If you even mention the manga is going downhill it's all "THEN STOP WATCHING1!! KISHI DOESN'T CARE YOU'RE NOT IMPORTANT!@!@" What these people don't realise is that it's now kishi has to step up and rethink things before he makes such a massive error that 90% of his fanbase disappears and the money is gone.

Exactly. 600 chapters spent running after sasuke's ass. From chapter 200-something to about 500-something it's been about finding sasuke and bringing him back. Then what happens? Sasuke walks right through the door... Kishi could have STILL saved this. What he should have done was let madara die with ET and not revive the hokage. Then, maybe bring back madara later on with rinne tensei so that he's still a main antagonist, but not some OP undead zombie that can rape everything... And, at least past hokages wouldn't be needed.
I personally think kishi should slow down a bit. The best way for him to save this now, is to straight up kill a few of K11, get obito and madara to stop sitting on their ass watching their plan fall to shit, and actually join the juubi in defence. He's brought back hashi, KCM minato, tobirama and hiruzen all with unlimited stamina. WTf is going to happen when juubi is gone? Are we REALLY supposed to believe that madara is suppose to solo 4 hokage, 3 pseudo-sannin, K11, [quite possibly 4 or 5 of the kage he already killed], and 60k other ninja? Obito isn't EVEN a factor anymore because sasuke and his posse are enough to hold him at bay. What. The. ****.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

I'm not totally bothered by it. Not every chapter needs to be plot progression. There needs to be character development. Example; Shino. WHEN IS THE LAST TIME MINUS SASUKE'S RECENT CHAPTER THAT HE'S HAD PANEL TIME? You won't even remember. Thus, it gives light to under-developed, non-utilized characters. The only thing I wish Kishi would do right now is just let Sasuke go apeshit on Madara once he realizes he's there. Then we get Sasuke's Perfect Susanoo and yea... Brawl.

I spoke about both character development AND plot progression. Giving Shino a summoning isn't progressing his character nor moving the story forward. It's big and it looks cool but that's just about it.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Don't be sad because a rottening dead body soloing edo tensei thanks to an asspul of a jutsu instead of alive ones' fighting was totally satisfactory...:|

Don't I know it :\

 

[Tartarus]

The people who watch for big boss battles and showcase jutsu would be whining. These idiots who thought the Kabuto flashback was boring because they wanted to get back to the battle or complain about Kakashi/Obito constantly need to put down this manga and just go watch Dragon Ball Z repeats.

Did you ever think that maybe you're just on the opposite spectrum of whiners. I like both the backstory and the fights/jutsu segments. This is a shonen FIGHING manga at the end of the day. Do you watch Yu yu Hakusho and constantly complain about how people are constantly showing off new abilities with no prior build-up? if so then you're being extremly genre blind

 

[MickNerks]

No No No No

This Base is solely about Power-ups.

The Manga is about character progression.​

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

No No No No

This Base is solely about Power-ups.

The Manga is about character progression.​

The manga recently is catering for these dumber, more fight based fans. All you have to do is look over the last 3-4 chapters and the reintroduction of characters of Minato Namikaze & Itachi Uchiha.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Did you ever think that maybe you're just on the opposite spectrum of whiners. I like both the backstory and the fights/jutsu segments. This is a shonen FIGHING manga at the end of the day. Do you watch Yu yu Hakusho and constantly complain about how people are constantly showing off new abilities with no prior build-up? if so then you're being extremly genre blind

Uhh.. I think the point he's trying to bring across is that the power ups could have at least been shown throughout the war. You know, when people were dying. Just not suddenly out of the blue for no reason. Why didn't we see any of this random stuff before? They wouldn't have been useless against all those zetsu clones and what not...

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Did you ever think that maybe you're just on the opposite spectrum of whiners. I like both the backstory and the fights/jutsu segments. This is a shonen FIGHING manga at the end of the day. Do you watch Yu yu Hakusho and constantly complain about how people are constantly showing off new abilities with no prior build-up? if so then you're being extremly genre blind

Of course I like both, it's a shonen- I expect both but there needs to be a balance, the reason Naruto is so popular is because (positively thinking) it's a step above normal generic fight animes, there was depth those years back and there is also an obvious lack of it now.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

I'm waiting for the day he gets Talk no jutsu'd and uses rinne tensei to revive everyone in the war. Seriously man just wait and see

I really hope not.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

For anyone who disagrees please tell me how any of the powerups seen today from the K11 or Minato or whatever influence the plot or add to character?

 

[Momochifanboy]

Well this is naruto after all, you know what be cool.
If every one was out of chakra and they hade to focus their energie on taijutsu and kunais, that would be aswome.

 

[FlemSmack]

The people who watch for big boss battles and showcase jutsu would be whining. These idiots who thought the Kabuto flashback was boring because they wanted to get back to the battle or complain about Kakashi/Obito constantly need to put down this manga and just go watch Dragon Ball Z repeats.

The Kabuto flashback was amazing. I agree with your thread. We didn't even get to see Ten Ten and Lee become stronger.

 

[6thpathsage]

The problem is not powerups; the problem is they are just being "there"; they did not added anything to rookies' character development; i wish they got more than mere boosts. Only Hinata had some thoughts; and it was the same old "being stronger for/thanks to Naruto-kun" thing; not even a development; it is still the same.

Instead of stuffing every rookie's power ups in single chapter; they should have been come into display as paneltime for 1 or 2 rookies per chapter while the other sides of story are progressing.

I am glad they got screentime; but i would want their paneltimes in a way they would fit and flow through story; not in a way "lets get the development of everyone out of the way in a single chapter". Instead of Itachi soloing edo tensei jutsu; they could have go 1 vs 1 against edo shinobies whom also had a lot of potential; battles would be much more interesting than they are against juubi clones. Neji vs Hizashi, Lee vs Kimimaro, Sakura vs Pakura or Chiyo for example the ones simply came to my mind.

Agree with this..
Instead of naruto basically soloing a lot of them (not allowing development of everyone else) temari could have been developed by finding a way to win against edo 3rd raikage but NOOOO rasengan to the chest and naruto takes all the glory..

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

The Kabuto flashback was amazing. I agree with your thread. We didn't even get to see Ten Ten and Lee become stronger.

Agreed, it added so much to the character and gave a reason for them to fight other than the edo tensei, the difference between Kabuto and Itachi and being born talented with your life on a plate VS being born a nobody with nothing made it one of my favourite fights until you-know-what ended the match early.

And the fact that Tenten and Lee are being left out STILL pisses me off even more that this whole chapter in the first place. If you're going to have a powerup chapter THEN HAVE ALL YOUR CHARACTERS HAVE POWERUPS SO EVERYONES SOMEWHAT SATISFIED.

 

[paratise]

Agree with this..
Instead of naruto basically soloing a lot of them (not allowing development of everyone else) temari could have been developed by finding a way to win against edo 3rd raikage but NOOOO rasengan to the chest and naruto takes all the glory..

Yeah; it was a perfect time for Temari; i like her and many other characters; they could have done so much in the war instead of Naruto battling in every freakin division and owning everyone.

Agreed, it added so much to the character and gave a reason for them to fight other than the edo tensei, the difference between Kabuto and Itachi and being born talented with your life on a plate VS being born a nobody with nothing made it one of my favourite fights until you-know-what ended the match early.

And the fact that Tenten and Lee are being left out STILL pisses me off even more that this whole chapter in the first place. If you're going to have a powerup chapter THEN HAVE ALL YOUR CHARACTERS HAVE POWERUPS SO EVERYONES SOMEWHAT SATISFIED.

Lee and Tenten definetely deserve something. Maybe Kishi will offer tham something better instead of a stuffed up chapter; as far as i know; none of the other rookies had such goal, dream and rivalry he had; only Hinata had some "standing by Naruto's side thing" (which i can not respect as much as Lee's); he should get more; or atleast show how much more gates he can open and how he will develop as a character.

And Kabuto vs Itachi...Kabuto deserved to win; or atleast lose in a logical way; are there any actual underdogs who win in this manga? (NAruto is not an underdog...far from it)
But this is what always happen; Lee says Sasuke he is a bad matchup to his sharingan, then his speed get copied; Deidara says Sasuke he is fool with blessed eyes, then Sasuke survives the fight; Kabuto says Itachi sharingan won't defeat him; gets taken down by izanami and other stuff... I would dare to say moral of the story=sharingan according to many occured events.