It's not impossible to beat MS Obito 1v1.

[genii96]

You do realise that when obito puts you in kamui dimension, you also get dropped in a genjutsu, right? Naruto's tactic only worked because kakashi was transporting him. Even if naruto used clone feints, the clones would be dropped in kamui dimension under genjutsu and obito would already know there was someone there so there's no real surprise.

clones are immune to genjutsu

 

[Draphsin]

MS Obito's arsenal

- Kamui, which can be used to teleport, phase in & out of the ground or any solid object, and the enemy loses the 1v1 on contact. If obito catches someone in kamui, he wins. In a 1v1 he can keep them there until they either starve to death or die of dehydration.

- Katon, which can be used in multiple, versatile ways.

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, obito's largest katon was able to make multiple shinobi & himself look like ants, this type of firepower can only be matched by a select few in a 1v1 scenario.

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can also be used in close range, which makes for a smaller scale but obito would use this jutsu from a distance to utilize its full effectiveness.

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is also a katon type of barrier jutsu, able to

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. Its also a very quick barrier, so is can be used in situations where he may need it should the time come.

Also these jutsus may have been used by rinnegan obito, but MS obito can use them too. MS obito doesnt need to wear a mask, this way he can actually perform katon jutsus unlike before where he never had the chance. Uchiha kaenjin is a uchiha jutsu, madara taught it to him & madara died before the obito we know as MS obito was shown. MS obito can use his katon jutsus.

- Kunai & shuriken spam, these

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are about the same size as madara's magatamas, this makes them

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. Not only that but they're fast as well, again BM naruto tanked the kunai but these types of attacks wouldnt be used against a ninja like him.

Obito's

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can also be spammed, kakashi was able to defend against it but ended up getting

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in the end. Kamui phases through all defenses so obito simply walked through &

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him in, kakashi was defenseless (one of the many dangers of kamui/shuriken combo).

- Mokuton, not too impressive but still able to restrain BM naruto momentarily. Still worth mentioning because in a 1v1 this can be effective for restraining an enemy momentarily & trap them in a genjutsu.

- Izanagi [perfect], is deadly, MS obito has a spare sharingan eye, so he has the ability to use izanagi for over 10 minutes. This ruins someones plan who may have an idea of how kamui works (with the 5 min phasing limit). So even with kamui info izanagi can end the match. The largest advantage to this is that after izanagi obito can still use his kamui eye, this is something that obito cannot do with the rinnegan.

With that brief summary of MS obito's arsenal said, he only loses to the likes of Madara, BM minato & BM naruto is debatable.

 

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With that brief summary of MS obito's arsenal said, he only loses to the likes of Madara, BM minato & BM naruto is debatable.

why BM when he solo'd him in base?

 

[AGoodBoy]

clones are immune to genjutsu

Lmao? Itachi was referring to the real kakashi not being affected.

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Looks like the clone's in a genjutsu if I do say so myself.

 

[Draphsin]

why BM when he solo'd him in base?

Im guessing you did not read my summary

Alive minato gets fodderized by an MS obito, MS obito got a power up in the last 16 years plus he doesnt need a mask which means katon is usable. EDO minato is the only type of minato who who stands a chance.

 

[KidGamer65]

Im guessing you did not read my summary

Alive minato gets fodderized by an MS obito, MS obito got a power up in the last 16 years plus he doesnt need a mask which means katon is usable. EDO minato is the only type of minato who who stands a chance.

Yeah, not a chance.

Please tell me what he got that even makes a large enough difference that he'll win let alone fodderize him? Lol

-His Mokuton=Worthless against Minato.
-His Katon=Worthless against Minato.
-Izanagi is the only thing that helps, and all it does is prolong his defeat, you said it ruins anyone who can counter Kamui's plans even though in reality it doesn't. Cause it doesn't mean anything at all if Obito can't defeat Minato, which he can't do with Kamui or any of his new jutsu.

Result? Minato slams Rasengan on his back like he did 16 yrs ago, it won't be as easy but that is clearly the end result.

 

[Draphsin]

Yeah, not a chance.

Please tell me what he got that even makes a large enough difference that he'll win let alone fodderize him? Lol

Unbelievable u_u

-His Mokuton=Worthless against Minato.

No need for it

-His Katon=Worthless against Minato.

Laughable, katon can easily clear a battlefield full of kunai in a flash. Minato's escape route is cut off unless he has kunai prepped beforehand.

Katon obliterates minato.

-Izanagi is the only thing that helps, and all it does is prolong his defeat, you said it ruins anyone who can counter Kamui's plans even though in reality it doesn't. Cause it doesn't mean anything at all if Obito can't defeat Minato, which he can't do with Kamui or any of his new jutsu.

This is ridiculous, Obito used izanagi to appear behind konan before she noticed him. Guess what? Obito did the same thing without izanagi to minato, the only difference was that minato figured out that obito was behind him at the last second & had an extra kunai prepped for escape.

Tell me what minato does when he thinks that obito is dead for 10 minutes, then all of a sudden he warps behind minato [undetected] & warps him away.

Result? Minato slams Rasengan on his back like he did 16 yrs ago, it won't be as easy but that is clearly the end result.

Rasengan? You mean like the rasengan naruto used on obito's face where he took minimal damage? Or the rasengan that hit obito's shoulder & healed itself?

Rasengans are useless, especially when minato can't even lay a finger on obito due to kamui.

 

[Murasame]

Yeah, not a chance.

Please tell me what he got that even makes a large enough difference that he'll win let alone fodderize him? Lol

-His Mokuton=Worthless against Minato.
-His Katon=Worthless against Minato.
-Izanagi is the only thing that helps, and all it does is prolong his defeat, you said it ruins anyone who can counter Kamui's plans even though in reality it doesn't. Cause it doesn't mean anything at all if Obito can't defeat Minato, which he can't do with Kamui or any of his new jutsu.

Result? Minato slams Rasengan on his back like he did 16 yrs ago, it won't be as easy but that is clearly the end result.

To be fair it can easily go either way as minato said whoever strikes first wins.. that scenario in the manga had kunai laying around in certain places already thus giving Minato the advantage already.
Now Obito has knowledge on Minato's FTG and he won't be in a rush to try and finish the battle as quickly as he can last time.
Like I said it can go either way.

 

[KidGamer65]

To be fair it can easily go either way as minato said whoever strikes first wins.. that scenario in the manga had kunai laying around in certain places already thus giving Minato the advantage already.
Now Obito has knowledge on Minato's FTG and he won't be in a rush to try and finish the battle as quickly as he can last time.
Like I said it can go either way.

Why do you guys mention "he had a Kunai laying around giving him the advantage" when Minato has intel from that fight? When all he needs to do is spread Kunai on his own, its as simple as that. If you think Obito is going to be able to touch Minato now that he knows what to expect then you have another thing coming. Its not going either way its a clear victory for Minato.

Laughable, katon can easily clear a battlefield full of kunai in a flash. Minato's escape route is cut off unless he has kunai prepped beforehand.

Katon obliterates minato.

Am I really reading this from you? Katon of all things beating Minato? The only laughable thing is the notion that Katon is going to "obliterate" Minato.

S/T Barrier easily blocks it.

This is ridiculous, Obito used izanagi to appear behind konan before she noticed him. Guess what? Obito did the same thing without izanagi to minato, the only difference was that minato figured out that obito was behind him at the last second & had an extra kunai prepped for escape.

Tell me what minato does when he thinks that obito is dead for 10 minutes, then all of a sudden he warps behind minato [undetected] & warps him away.

So, Minato, who casually tosses around his Hiraishin Kunai in every single fight he's ever been in and has intel on Kamui from his prior fight with Obito isn't going to have a few Kunai laying on the battlefield before he decides to engage Obito because.......? lol, no. Your Kunai prep retort doesn't matter as Minato always uses Kunai in battle and has intel, meaning? He throws a few Kunai around before ever starting to fight.

Obito is dead for 10 minutes? Do you even know how Izanagi works? When Obito dies he respawns right after that, he doesn't stay gone for the duration of Izanagi and come back. The only reason it was like that against Konan is because her explosion lasted during the duration of Izanagi, so he was forced to "die" and respawn during the whole thing.

Obito tries to sneak up on Minato with Izanagi and it goes the same exact way it did in the manga, he notices him but instead of attacking him (which set up the opening for him to get warped in the first place) he warps away without Obito ever laying a hand on him.

Rasengan? You mean like the rasengan naruto used on obito's face where he took minimal damage? Or the rasengan that hit obito's shoulder & healed itself?

You mean when Obito had a mask on that was made for battle, lets not try and leave important facts like that out, or the fact that Minato's Rasengan=Naruto's Oodama Rasengan in size, lets not forget that either. What I do remember is Rasengan taking Obito's arm and it ended up with him getting marked, meaning Minato can attack him all he wants after that and Obito can't do a thing as he can't react to instantaneous attacks.

Rasengans are useless, especially when minato can't even lay a finger on obito due to kamui.

Manga disagrees with the bold. Kamui didn't save him before and it won't save him now, Minato's even shown clones since then, lmao, Obito loses. Especially when his main form of attack is the same thing Minato already canonically defeated, and there is literally no chance in it since then.

 

[Bronze]

I agree with Draphsin. 14 year old Obito was still inexperienced. But with Obito who fought Konan has better speed and reaction, he can arguably beat alive Minato.