Its Kishi's Fault(Hiruzen Thread)

[KING KISAME]

All I keep seeing all the time is Hiruzen threads that bash other people's
opinions that the first hokage is the strongest due to the fact that
somewhere in a couple of bingo books kishi said that hiruzen was
indeed the strongest. Then we see Uchiha Madara doing all these
amazing techs that ALL FIVE KAGE were really no match for. Then even with
all of his newly aquired powers and dojutsu(The six paths) he never once says
only hashiramas student can stop me and we all know that in reality hiruzen
could never beat Madara(any version) Which would register in a logical
person as he could not beat the first.
Others will try to argue that he was able to defeat oro and the first and
second simultaneously. But how can you win if you dont walk away with your
life he was able to strip oro of his jutsu but that is not a complete victory. If he
Was as strong as everyone claims he was it should not have taken RDS to
get the job done. Mind you these are ninja that he supposedly defeated in
the past his student and his teachers'. I think that why he doesen't get the
respect Hiruzen fanboys think he should get what's your opinion

 

[you and your stupid ideas]

ef you.

cause hiruzen, thats why.

 

[Insidious Smile]

I love Hiruzen. He is the God of Shinobi, there is no question about that.

 

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[Migualon J.J.]

when he was fighting Oro, 1st and 2nd, he was over 60 years old, FAR from his prime, and i consider it being STUPID, yes, i said STUPID to count Madara's opinion, as he has NEVER SEEN HIRUZEN IN HIS PRIME, so how can he say that only hashirama can beat him?

 

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hiruzen fanboys base everything off oppinion

 

[nototiety uchiha]

He was fighting against 3 persons 1 hokage 2 hokage + oro he did pretty good agains them but I dont think he will match madara

 

[November]

Prime Hiruzen can split an island into half with just a punch and splitting the sky with a swing of his staff(transformed enma).
he can tank hundred of kunais, bullets, sword attacks, and even a canon ball to the face like boss without losing consciousness.
the most impressive thing is he can survive the country-level-busting attack with just a minor injury
nuff said

 

[2big]

Being a god of shinobi doesnt say that you can beat madera it was only peoples opinions to show proof i want to see him do somthing close to defeating 5 kages with EASE Hiruzen is weak compared to either 1st or madera

 

[KING KISAME]

when he was fighting Oro, 1st and 2nd, he was over 60 years old, FAR from his prime, and i consider it being STUPID, yes, i said STUPID to count Madara's opinion, as he has NEVER SEEN HIRUZEN IN HIS PRIME, so how can he say that only hashirama can beat him?

Never once did oonoki complain during his fight with edo madara about his
age or his F up back so don't give me that age BS and who do you know that
Can solo madara....the first hokage that's who dumbass

 

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Hashi obliterates all!!

 

[tossmidgetsenpai]

until there is more back story on hiruzen(which in my opinion seems unlikely at this point) the only thing we really saw with him was his fight with oro and he more then held his own especially given the circumstances of the fight. i feel like he is equally overestimated and underestimated, he was a great and powerful shinobi according to the canon material but even in his prime there is no way he could beat edo madara and i would think his chances are slim vs madara non-edo

 

[Gaara]

USE THE SEARCH BAR! Ffs this thread has been done hundreds of times in the last 3weeks the manga was absent.
You can read all of your points, and or arguments on one of the other threads. This is basically spam dude.

 

[KING KISAME]

until there is more back story on hiruzen(which in my opinion seems unlikely at this point) the only thing we really saw with him was his fight with oro and he more then held his own especially given the circumstances of the fight. i feel like he is equally overestimated and underestimated, he was a great and powerful shinobi according to the canon material but even in his prime there is no way he could beat edo madara and i would think his chances are slim vs madara non-edo

Now there's an intelligent logical unbiased comment

 

[Itachi1374]

Think of it this way... Hiruzen is the first Kage we see in action, so from looking back after seeing Madara, Obito, 5 Kage and the 4ths historic story, Hiruzen is in his 60's I mean he's not in his Prime, but look at the Jutsu he casts, the forbidden jutsu "death God" seal, he uses high tech elemental Jutsu, taking on the edo tensei of the 1st and 2nd and almost the 4th. I mean Hiruzen was a bad ass who still had his back intact and had a pact with King Enma of the Monkey's

 

[GenKiDama]

Yep, Kishi changed the power levels, he considered hiruzen over 9000, then for the plot to make any sense in shippuden he made hashirama over 9000, which brings hiruzen under 9000, hell he could be under krillin, truth is no-one gives a f*ck about hiruzen.
Just saiyan:shrug:

 

[Kages]

I agree with you