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fave was the one who received it.Madara using Susano with no eyes?Apparently anyone who unlocks it can use the tech despite having no eyes.Minato getting a powerup like SM despite not having any evidence of training for it?It was foreshadowed based on a vague manga scan.Sasuke getting CM Susano?Apparently the Curse Mark can spread over chakra constructs now.

I wonder if some of you would go to these lengths of mental gymnastics if it was another character that received a power out of the blue?Probaly not.
 
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Nothing imo is an asspull or random. It was meant to be in their arsenal. Just cus it wasnt explained dont mean shit. People kill me. So when every tech is introduced people expect an explanation?
 

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People will always try to see reason where there MAY be non.
 

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you just can't argue with fanboyish logic.
 

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People don't like fillers but that's exactly what they gonna get if they keep asking for information on everything new that their favorites use.
 

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Nothing imo is an asspull or random. It was meant to be in their arsenal. Just cus it wasnt explained dont mean shit. People kill me. So when every tech is introduced people expect an explanation?
So if someone like say...Sakura or Rock Lee received the Rinnegan that would be okay since it was meant to be part of their arsenal?
 

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People don't like fillers but that's exactly what they gonna get if they keep asking for information on everything new that their favorites use.
You don't need fillers to explain away someone receiving a power up in the most convenient of circumstances.
 

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So your mad that people think something that you don't agree with?

Everything has to be introduced at some point, their isn't a manual Kishi is drawing from.

This is like saying the Rasengan was an Ass pull when it was introduced, or the Chidori was an ass pull when it was introduced.
 

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So your mad that people think something that you don't agree with?

Who said I was mad?I just find it funny how people would take the most absurd leaps in logic to defend a random powerup because their fave was the one who received it.
 

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So if someone like say...Sakura or Rock Lee received the Rinnegan that would be okay since it was meant to be part of their arsenal?

:| obviously that aint gon happen. Everything makes sense. Minato having sage mode makes sense. Madara using susanoo without his eyes makes sense. Name me something that doesnt make sense right now.
 

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I mean dude it's not our story. How are we supposed to call something an asspull that we aren't creating? It's an asspull why? Because we're readers waiting for bits and pieces of information to come via chapters from the man who's writing the story and knows all the details we don't? Yet somehow we're the ones with better insight and he is the one pulling something out of nothing? Sorry I don't follow that logic.

Don't get me wrong I get it when something happens that you don't see coming it can make you mad, and I can't speak for everyone but personally I don't call anything in this story an asspull. Yea sometimes I wonder why things weren't revealed sooner, but I also know that in stories some things just get held back for the sake of plot.

Itachi had already used Susanoo despite losing his light. That right there should be enough to tell you that the power of susanoo doesn't just solely come from the eye. Hell even Tobirama explained to us that the very chakra that gives you the sharingan comes from the brain and enters the optic nerves, it doesn't originate within the eye itself. So Madara not needing the eye isn't that surprising.

Minato was able to summon toads, the pupil of Jiraiya, and supposedly the best ninja Jiraiya had pretty much ever come across. It makes less sense to me that he wouldn't at least have attempted to learn Sage Mode. For god's sake is it really that much of a surprise?

The curse mark is basically sage mode. The markings are the result of the release of senjutsu chakra within the mark. Senjutsu chakra. So yea, chakra ended up fusing together with chakra. So yea, where's the asspull?

I think people just need to calm down about all this. If they stop to reflect a bit instead of blaming everything they don't understand on an asspull, it may not be as much of an asspull as they start to piece together little hints here and there they otherwise missed until a chapter comes along that fully explains what they want to know
 

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:| obviously that aint gon happen. Everything makes sense. Minato having sage mode makes sense. Madara using susanoo without his eyes makes sense. Name me something that doesnt make sense right now.
Madara using Susano without eyes does'nt make since.And before you say Itachi,that is different since he still had his eyeballs attached to the eye sockets.
 

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Who said I was mad?I just find it funny how people would take the most absurd leaps in logic to defend a random powerup because their fave was the one who received it.
I defend all powerups cus all makes sense. Doesnt matter if its my fav. People just get mad when the powerup is powerful as hell and isnt made for their fav. Thats when people just get butthurt and thousands of threads are made that are titled " asspull"
 

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To the Madara thing, it was shown a long time ago that you can use Susano'o without your Mangekyo Sharingan, as long as you have awakened it first. When was this? During his fight with Sasuke, Itachi was using his Susano'o without having even 3 Tomoe activated. If you look closely at his eyes, there were on the precipice of light and were practically blind, showing you don't need your eyes to use Susano'o once you've activated it.

There was another example, but I forgot what it was.
 

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Lol agreed, people go to such lengths to explain kishi's situation asspulls.
 

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What most people don't understand is that everything is an ass pull until its properly explained, we could say that anything is an ass pull or a plot hole simply because it hasn't been explained yet.

People said that Tobi couldn't be Obito because Nagato got the Rinnegan before Obito was born, when it turned out Tobi was Obito, people started screaming PLOT HOLES, but then Kishi explains it and it all makes sense.

Funny how that is happening again.
 

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I mean dude it's not our story. How are we supposed to call something an asspull that we aren't creating? It's an asspull why? Because we're readers waiting for bits and pieces of information to come via chapters from the man who's writing the story and knows all the details we don't? Yet somehow we're the ones with better insight and he is the one pulling something out of nothing? Sorry I don't follow that logic.

Don't get me wrong I get it when something happens that you don't see coming it can make you mad, and I can't speak for everyone but personally I don't call anything in this story an asspull. Yea sometimes I wonder why things weren't revealed sooner, but I also know that in stories some things just get held back for the sake of plot.

Itachi had already used Susanoo despite losing his light. That right there should be enough to tell you that the power of susanoo doesn't just solely come from the eye. Hell even Tobirama explained to us that the very chakra that gives you the sharingan comes from the brain and enters the optic nerves, it doesn't originate within the eye itself. So Madara not needing the eye isn't that surprising.

Minato was able to summon toads, the pupil of Jiraiya, and supposedly the best ninja Jiraiya had pretty much ever come across. It makes less sense to me that he wouldn't at least have attempted to learn Sage Mode. For god's sake is it really that much of a surprise?

The curse mark is basically sage mode. The markings are the result of the release of senjutsu chakra within the mark. Senjutsu chakra. So yea, chakra ended up fusing together with chakra. So yea, where's the asspull?

I think people just need to calm down about all this. If they stop to reflect a bit instead of blaming everything they don't understand on an asspull, it may not be as much of an asspull as they start to piece together little hints here and there they otherwise missed until a chapter comes along that fully explains what they want to know
Just because it's not our story does'nt mean we can't discuss and criticize it.People do it all the time with movies,books,and tv shows so it's only reasonable to want to find answers for why something happened.
 

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To the Madara thing, it was shown a long time ago that you can use Susano'o without your Mangekyo Sharingan, as long as you have awakened it first. When was this? During his fight with Sasuke, Itachi was using his Susano'o without having even 3 Tomoe activated. If you look closely at his eyes, there were on the precipice of light and were practically blind, showing you don't need your eyes to use Susano'o once you've activated it.

There was another example, but I forgot what it was.
But Itachi still had his eyeballs,Madara did'nt even have eyes.
 

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What most people don't understand is that everything is an ass pull until its properly explained, we could say that anything is an ass pull or a plot hole simply because it hasn't been explained yet.

People said that Tobi couldn't be Obito because Nagato got the Rinnegan before Obito was born, when it turned out Tobi was Obito, people started screaming PLOT HOLES, but then Kishi explains it and it all makes sense.

Funny how that is happening again.
All I want is a explanation for why Minato did'nt use SM sooner,if Kishi can give one then I'll be happy.
 
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