it's absurd to say anyone who's not an Uchiha can break Tsukuyomi

[naruto1245]

no i don't agree with you bee can break it with no problem and naruto also

 

[Aim64C]

Ni proof of that being tsukuyomi

That is Tsukuyomi.

Not only does it show Sasuke glare at Danzo with an action-effect shown from his eyes, it also shows Sasuke diappearing into a cloud of Ravens to reform as Itachi.

As if that wasn't enough, Danzo says that "Compared to Itachi's Tsukuyomi, yours is weak."

Then he releases it.

Genjutsu relies on assumption bias.

[video=youtube;FWSxSQsspiQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWSxSQsspiQ[/video]

The Sharingan is better able to resist Genjutsu because of its enhanced awareness of scene detail. Small defects in a genjutsu that would take exceptional analysis by an average person are inherently obvious to someone with a Sharingan. Thus - a Genjutsu is much more difficult to pull off on someone using a Sharingan (at least one reliant upon visual stimulus).

Similarly, the Byakugan's awareness of chakra patterns that most people cannot see makes the Hyuuga more difficult to place under a Genjutsu.

Even Tsukuyomi has its limitations in this regard. The main element of Itachi's Tsukuyomi is his ability to alter the perception of time. It is the fundamental weakness in his Tsukuyomi. Most people would try to dispel the illusion of location/physical sensation while it is really more important to dispel the illusion of time. That is mostly theory on my part - but it is reinforced by where Sasuke is able to use Tsukuyomi to generate a genjutsu that fools Danzo.

Making Danzo believe Itachi was standing right in front of him was rather difficult, as it requires overpowering what someone knows to be true. He didn't, however, know whether or not Izanagi had worn off. Thus, he was willing to trust his eyes and would not have questioned the illusion.

Itachi, himself, said that every jutsu has a weakness. Why didn't he simply use Tsukuyomi on everyone and everything? Or, rather, why doesn't/didn't Madara?

If the only way to deal with an Uchiha using the Mangekyo Sharingan is to be an Uchiha... that doesn't really answer fundamental questions, like: "Why didn't the Uchiha decimate the Senju, particularly with Madara as leader of the Uchiha using the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan?"

The Uchiha were powerful and to be regarded as such... but what you're proposing would make them completely unbeatable... which doesn't hold up to the history we know.

 

[BloodSeed]

it was stated by Itachi himself that even if you're a Sharingan user without Uchiha dna you cannot break it... and the manga proved him right since the only one who ever broke it was Sasuke... not to mention that Itachi wasn't serious when it happened and Sasuke had a curse seal which provided him a different kind of chakra

it's annoying when I see Tsunade / Hashirama fanboys saying that senjus can handle it because they fought the Uchiha clan for a long time so they must have a counter
please just stop... or give me manga proof instead of fanfictions!

you believe every bullshit that comes from his mouth itachi talks high and mighty in front of his opponent to trick them.
why not believe him when he say jiraiya>=itachi+kisame then

 

[xxSAGExx]

Nobody except Sasuke can break out of Itachi's Tsukuyomi - That includes perfect Jinchuuriki. A factor behind this is that Itachi's Tsukuyomi takes it to the next level and controls time and space. One second equals three days in Itachi's Genjutsu world so even if a perfect Jinchuuriki had the ability to break out, it's still futile because three days would of already passed.

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As for Sasuke's others can break out of it like Danzo did as he doesn't control time and space like his brother does. And assuming Madara has Tsukuyomi aswell then I guess Hashirama broke out of Madara's.

Itachi's however is on a different level.

Nope, Tsukuyomi is a sec to the outside world but the Bijuu is inside the Jinchuuriki so they'll be within the same time as Itachi and the Jinchuuriki since their minds are connected. Remember how Kurama summoned Naruto to him a few time in the manga? He could do that before he was free of the cage and not have his chakra meld with Naruto's. Also you have to remember that Naruto and Bee can use the Bijuu's power to disrupt Itachi's chakra thus breaking Tsukuyomi.

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Here Naruto talks about how the chakra he took from Kurama is sectioned off and he can get whenever he wants. Also Bee stated that the chakra you get from the Tailed beast is forever Naruto's and since he did the same training he also has chakra section off from the 8 tails.

Also Madara and his Bro Izuna are the strongest Uchihas so their genjutsus would be stronger than Itachi and Hashirama and Tobirama fought them many time. I'll explain it more further down this post.

exactly what I think
ofc Madara is stronger but his fighting style is based on ninjutsu... I doubt his genjutsu compares to Itachi or Shisui...
as for the perfect jins "if he catches you with amaterasu or tsukuyomi it's over"
Naruto's own statement

first off, Madara is stronger than Itachi in all aspects from what we seen. As for his genjutsu, Madara and Obito were able to control Kurama using only their 3 tomoe Sharingans even tho Itachi stated to sasuke that they need the MS to do so

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. They control Kurama using genjutsu so that right there shows the difference in their Genjutsu skills. I forgot where it shows Madara's using the 3 tomoe but here's Obito who was trained by Madara using only 3 tomoes,

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. No one had mastered the Sharingan to Madara's level, Izuna was the closes to.

As for the Naruto part, Naruto wasn't a perfect Jinch. at that time so how would he be able to break out like Bee can? Bee who is a Perfect Jinch. stated that genjutsus are useless against a perfect Jin.

Yeah but in reality he was still in base

They were in Sasuke's Mind and Sasuke can use his power in his mind just like how Naruto was able to gather natural chakra while fighting Kurama because his body was still. Naruto used SM while in his mind/inner self.

Everyone already knows this...
I think having a tailed beast could break but it would probably be too late considering kakashi was in there for 3 days which in reality was a second. However all you have to do is avoid eye contact, and it might have another weakness but we will never know now

Bijuu's mind are connected to the Jinch. so they would be in the same time control and the jinch. Just look at how Kurama was able to summon Naruto to him even when he was in a cage.

but Itachi's genjutsu puts Madara's genjutsu into shame

proof that those uchihas were genjutsu users?
also Naruto himself stated Tsukuyomi is gg
Naruto's words > yours

um, no. Madara mastered the sharingan in all aspect further beyond Itachi. Madara master the sharingan to the point of being able to control Kurama without his 3 tomoes when Itachi stated one needs the MS to do so. So Madara's 3 tomoe=Itachi's MS genjutsu since they use genjutsu to control Kurama. Sasuke and Itachi talking about the MS

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. I forgot te Madara using 3 tomoes scan but here's Obito's who was trained by Madara

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. Also Naruto wasn't a Perfect Jin, Bee was and he stated Genjutsus are useless o perfect jins.

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Itachi solo's everyone with Tsukoyomi, Bee got caught by Sasuke and Itachi in a simple Genjutsu, Bee would have been ****ed had he been caught in Tsukoyomi.

Itachi with Totsuka, Yata, Amaturasu and Tsukuyomi solo's.

Bee broke out of both and it would be the same with Tsukuyomi. The 8 tails mind is conncted to Bee's so he would be in the same time frame as Bee. Against Sasuke Bee blew off Sasuke chest seconds after Sasuke used the genjutsu and Itachi was attacking Bee right after putting him in a genjutsu yet he broke outand defended himself.

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Itachi ain't soloing Hashirama, Madara, Izuna, Minato or Obito.

who knows now, itachis tsukoyumi ws probably greater than madaras. Maybe maybe not, but we wont know now..

however i agree only someone with sharingan can break out of it, it msot likely wasnt used in a battle involving multiple enemies to conserve chakra or to prevent getting hit while using it...

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Perfect Jinch. can break out. Also it's pretty much Manga fact that Madara is the strongest Uchiha and mastered the Sharingan beyond anyone else, then his bro Izuna, then Obito who he trained. Madara 3 tomoe is on Itachi's MS level. Madara was able to contro Kurama with 3 tomoes when Itachi said they need MS to do so. They use Genjutsu to control Kurama so Madara's 3 tomoe genjutsu is on Itachi's MS genjutsu level going by what Itachi said and us seeing Madara using 3 tomoes. Also he trained Obito who also used only 3 tomoes.

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[BlackFlame44]

That is Tsukuyomi.

Not only does it show Sasuke glare at Danzo with an action-effect shown from his eyes, it also shows Sasuke diappearing into a cloud of Ravens to reform as Itachi.

As if that wasn't enough, Danzo says that "Compared to Itachi's Tsukuyomi, yours is weak."

Then he releases it.

Genjutsu relies on assumption bias.

[video=youtube;FWSxSQsspiQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWSxSQsspiQ[/video]

The Sharingan is better able to resist Genjutsu because of its enhanced awareness of scene detail. Small defects in a genjutsu that would take exceptional analysis by an average person are inherently obvious to someone with a Sharingan. Thus - a Genjutsu is much more difficult to pull off on someone using a Sharingan (at least one reliant upon visual stimulus).

Similarly, the Byakugan's awareness of chakra patterns that most people cannot see makes the Hyuuga more difficult to place under a Genjutsu.

Even Tsukuyomi has its limitations in this regard. The main element of Itachi's Tsukuyomi is his ability to alter the perception of time. It is the fundamental weakness in his Tsukuyomi. Most people would try to dispel the illusion of location/physical sensation while it is really more important to dispel the illusion of time. That is mostly theory on my part - but it is reinforced by where Sasuke is able to use Tsukuyomi to generate a genjutsu that fools Danzo.

Making Danzo believe Itachi was standing right in front of him was rather difficult, as it requires overpowering what someone knows to be true. He didn't, however, know whether or not Izanagi had worn off. Thus, he was willing to trust his eyes and would not have questioned the illusion.

Itachi, himself, said that every jutsu has a weakness. Why didn't he simply use Tsukuyomi on everyone and everything? Or, rather, why doesn't/didn't Madara?

If the only way to deal with an Uchiha using the Mangekyo Sharingan is to be an Uchiha... that doesn't really answer fundamental questions, like: "Why didn't the Uchiha decimate the Senju, particularly with Madara as leader of the Uchiha using the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan?"

The Uchiha were powerful and to be regarded as such... but what you're proposing would make them completely unbeatable... which doesn't hold up to the history we know.

He never said tsukuyomi he said genjutsu you must've read a mistranslation and applying ro studies to anime techniques... Hmm plus not every sharingan can break every genjutsu THAT'S a fact