Its 100% Prooved Now, Sasuke...

[Weyoun]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=715730" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-715730">HIROSHI KOBAYASHI said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent"> sasuke is not weak he is just not a strong as naruto but has the ability to control the 9 tails if madrara showed him how, and another thing if madrara could control the tailed beasts why doesnt he because hes a liar.... idk just a thougt </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink"><a>Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>You could be true about the ability but when did Madara showed it him?</div>

 

[roflcopter]

Really buddy, I think you need to read the manga or watch the Anime again, because your missing a few things. Your arguing and wanting the facts but you dont even argue with facts. Im not going even to bother and show you them, you can go and read the manga yourself. Ill just show you what your saying is not correct, then you can go back and check up on it.


"Naruto used 1000 clones ina fight vs Gaara? I dont remember that...
But if so, that was not shippuuden. Do you mean Gaara in Shukaku form?"

First off Naruto used mass shadow cloning alot of times, if you missed it, you probably didnt watch naruto. he used it agains Mizuki, I didnt recall him being so screwed up from using that. He used it agains Gaara, o and please dont come with this bull sh!t that he used it agains Shukaku, because its part of gaara. He also didnt crawl on the floor from chakra overuse there no did he? Against Kimimaru, also mass clones, nor was he so tired from doing that, in fact he still proceeded to find Sasuke and fight him. And who said anything that it needs to be in the Shippuuden series??


"Whois KISAME then? He has like 3 times more chakrathan Naruto in kyybi mode.(as stated by someone during the fight "kisame clone vs The cucumber guy")"

Secondly How can you talk about and state as facts about Kizame having more chakra than Naruto in Kyuubi mode??? Just because someone else said it, doesnt make it right. Really, thats what you call bias. If I say Naruto is better, does it make him better? If you read the manga you would know that the Kyuubi have an almost infinite amount of chakra, now I would like to see how somebody have 3 X almost infinite amount of chakra. And please dont start with the cr@p about, its the Kyuubi thats got the chakra and not Naruto, I explained it already the Kyuubi is part of Naruto, just like Khukusa is part of gaara. Thats like moaning about the sharingan is all powerfull and that is reason why Sasuke wins fights. Well thats part of Sasuke deal with it!!

Thirdly if you actually learn more about the Naruto story you will find that there is some lessons to be learned from it, and a couple which is particular through the whole series is that of hard work pays of, and another one is that of team work. So I hope you understand were Im going to, because Im not going to explain it further.


"Give me the facts, which state that Naruto si stornger than sasuke. GIve me the real opponents Naruto defeated alone."

And just to prove to you, you really are missing something. Naruto have beaten Neji fair and square in the Chuunin exams, without friends!!!!!!

So please, dont post things as "facts", or claim that you want the facts, if you dont even use facts to argue with. Ill post my opinion regarding this matter later, then you can slam and flame me ; )

@And who said anything that it needs to be in the Shippuuden series??@

Noone cares if you beat Tyson when you both were children. does anyone?

Eh anyway, I liked your post, it's really hard to answer and ur right in some cases but guess why i like it? I like discussions. These thhreads were like:

1) - Naruto rocks he got rs. Sasukesucks!
2) - Yeah +1 "1" Naruto rocks.
3) +1 +1 to "2" and "1" Naruto indeed rocks!
4) Naruto Rocks, i luv u guys! He's so cool.

Ermmm.... this is not what I call a discussion. In my opinion, discussion should also contaion absolutely differenbt opinions, then it becomes fun. Thanks.


About kyybi and containing power. I already said why dont I count the fight in Naruto 1. KIds=kids. ALl his (Narutos) opponents were kids, thus not quite bad characters. Now they're developed absolutely different and we cant knows how the situation is now at least. U cant compare 14y.o Neji to an Akatsuki, can you?
But still, if continue with 1st part fights. Naruto got beaten hard by Neji and then uses yybiupower to defeat neji. How can you call a monster inside a "fair fight" ?
You call it Part of NAruto. DO you remember he in Shippuden decided to NOT RELY on KYYBI anymore, dont you? Means this part does not exist anymore. At least, Naruto knows, thats this is not HIS power.
Uhmm, and how could u compare and eye like sharingan with kyybi? Sharingan is something given to several people, its not alive, it's just an ability which i compare to BAIKA no jutsu or nejis fighting style or byakugan or shadow manipulation. It's just stronges and has no personality. (really, how can an eye have a personality >? "
When you fight /w sharingan you understand whats going on.
But imagine your body is beeing controlled by a monster... DO you still think its part of YOUR POWER? Dont think so.

Oh, and by the way. Than you for reminding me that fight during the chuunin exams.


Now about the KIsame part. MY mistake i havent explained it more correctly it was not someone who said.. Neji said he never seen someone as much pwoerfull since Naruto. Neji has seen Naruto in yybis cloack.LOgically thinking, KIsame then has 3x more power than naruto with 1 tail. Charka i mean.

About your third part. You know. There are several other places to learn. I dont learn from Naruto, neither i get lessons from there. IT's not real. IN our word a person without legs wont be able to grow them at will.
These lessons are standardised sh*t, which everyone tells us since childhood just in different interpitation. You know, kids cant get lessons jut by words, they need explanations. That's why they read books and watch (non-american) cartoons.

Thank you for you post.

 

[SCaRFaCeD]

@And who said anything that it needs to be in the Shippuuden series??@

Noone cares if you beat Tyson when you both were children. does anyone?

Eh anyway, I liked your post, it's really hard to answer and ur right in some cases but guess why i like it? I like discussions. These thhreads were like:

1) - Naruto rocks he got rs. Sasukesucks!
2) - Yeah +1 "1" Naruto rocks.
3) +1 +1 to "2" and "1" Naruto indeed rocks!
4) Naruto Rocks, i luv u guys! He's so cool.

Ermmm.... this is not what I call a discussion. In my opinion, discussion should also contaion absolutely differenbt opinions, then it becomes fun. Thanks.


About kyybi and containing power. I already said why dont I count the fight in Naruto 1. KIds=kids. ALl his (Narutos) opponents were kids, thus not quite bad characters. Now they're developed absolutely different and we cant knows how the situation is now at least. U cant compare 14y.o Neji to an Akatsuki, can you?
But still, if continue with 1st part fights. Naruto got beaten hard by Neji and then uses yybiupower to defeat neji. How can you call a monster inside a "fair fight" ?
You call it Part of NAruto. DO you remember he in Shippuden decided to NOT RELY on KYYBI anymore, dont you? Means this part does not exist anymore. At least, Naruto knows, thats this is not HIS power.
Uhmm, and how could u compare and eye like sharingan with kyybi? Sharingan is something given to several people, its not alive, it's just an ability which i compare to BAIKA no jutsu or nejis fighting style or byakugan or shadow manipulation. It's just stronges and has no personality. (really, how can an eye have a personality >? "
When you fight /w sharingan you understand whats going on.
But imagine your body is beeing controlled by a monster... DO you still think its part of YOUR POWER? Dont think so.

I disagree. The Kyuubi and Curse Seals are a power that those individuals posess and wield. Obviously there are negatives to having such awesome powers, as seen by Naruto when he loses control and with the curse seal draining it's user of all their stamina/chakra. The only difference is that these people were given or obtained their power by different means than those with hereditary powers. Just because they obtained it differently doesn't mean it's not a power. In Naruto's case he has the Kyuubi sealed within him and can tap into it's chakra, which he can then wield as the medium. We saw him lose control when he went to 4 tails and take on the form of a minature kyuubi, but it was still Naruto using the power he was given. He decided to not use the Kyuubi chakra and rely solely on his own just because he hurt Sakura's dumbass and wasn't ready. Eventually (probably soon now that he has sage mode and is more matured) he will need to tap back into that power and wield it, hopefully with greater control than his fight with Orochimaru.

 

[roflcopter]

You see, Curse seal, in my opinion is a power with a drawback! I can compare it to sage mode allthough we dunno any drawbacks of sagemode now. Well mby the turniation to the frog?
Kyybi, however, is a different creature. Absolutely different from your personaity. A creature which uses IT"S power with the help of your body with IT"s own purposes.

Until Naruto gets the control of Kyybi as 8t,which i doubt is gonna happen, the power cant really be called his. Not a part of his power. IF you lost a hand, and u got a new, but now u can barely control it and if "something awakens" that hand doesnt even listen to you and does whatever it likes, would you call this hand as yours?

But as I said. Once Naruto Masters Kyybi power as KIrabi or w/e 8t names was, i will agree that yes, Kyybi is his power! However, I wouldnt find it cool, because i can't accept someone as bratty controlling a Monster capable of destroying the whole world.

>.<

 

[zumorikato]

You see, Curse seal, in my opinion is a power with a drawback! I can compare it to sage mode allthough we dunno any drawbacks of sagemode now. Well mby the turniation to the frog?
Kyybi, however, is a different creature. Absolutely different from your personaity. A creature which uses IT"S power with the help of your body with IT"s own purposes.

Until Naruto gets the control of Kyybi as 8t,which i doubt is gonna happen, the power cant really be called his. Not a part of his power. IF you lost a hand, and u got a new, but now u can barely control it and if "something awakens" that hand doesnt even listen to you and does whatever it likes, would you call this hand as yours?

But as I said. Once Naruto Masters Kyybi power as KIrabi or w/e 8t names was, i will agree that yes, Kyybi is his power! However, I wouldnt find it cool, because i can't accept someone as bratty controlling a Monster capable of destroying the whole world.

>.<

Thanks for the reply, I must say I like the post that you gave in response to mine. You made me think and I must agree with you about the Kids vs Kids fighting each other. Just like kids uses toy guns to fight against each other, once they grow up, they realize that toy guns isnt doing the job and need to adjust to better ways of fighting. On that same principle does Naruto realize that by only using shadow clones against kids might be ok, but against grownups its not as easy, thus he starts developing new tactics. However you must also understand that some of those kids have taken out or killed a couple of grown ups, so thy arent light weight if you know what I mean.

I also like the way you think about getting into a discussion, that type of logic also make the debate a bit better, but you must then use facts to fight facts and not thumb sucking, unless you clearly state that its only your opinion, or you think ect.

I still disagree with you regarding the whole kyuubi isnt part of Naruto thing.
The reason why I say that is, if a kid buys/gets a gun, the kid still have the power to use the gun, thus the power of the gun is the kids power. Whether and how he uses it doesnt change the fact that he have the power.

I dont know if you heard about Symbioses, but its where 2 or 1 animal in the eco system work with each other or benefit from each other. Yes the Kyuubi actually benefit from Naruto. First of all he gets protected by Naruto, he is sheltered from other people like Pain ect how wants to use him even more so than Naruto. He also prevents the Kyuubi from screwing up everything and everyone. So the Kyuubi is actually being protected instead of being hunted or miss used as a weapon. And Naruto gain the benefit of an endless supply of Chakra. Thus the Kyuubi is part of Naruto, whether you like it or not, the Kyuubis power is also Naruto's whether he uses it or not.

I wasnt comparing the Sharings personality with that of the Kyuubi, pleasssseeeee. (imagen Sasukes face if he wants to activate his sharingan and the "eye" starts back chatting him)

I was referring to the fact that both those powers where inherited or gained same as sagemode and the curse seal, how is not of the importance the fact of the matter is that they both have these powers, and how they use them is op to them. And one last thing, Id rather have Naruto with those powers than someone like pain.

 

[Miggy69]

You see, Curse seal, in my opinion is a power with a drawback! I can compare it to sage mode allthough we dunno any drawbacks of sagemode now. Well mby the turniation to the frog?
Kyybi, however, is a different creature. Absolutely different from your personaity. A creature which uses IT"S power with the help of your body with IT"s own purposes.

Until Naruto gets the control of Kyybi as 8t,which i doubt is gonna happen, the power cant really be called his. Not a part of his power. IF you lost a hand, and u got a new, but now u can barely control it and if "something awakens" that hand doesnt even listen to you and does whatever it likes, would you call this hand as yours?

But as I said. Once Naruto Masters Kyybi power as KIrabi or w/e 8t names was, i will agree that yes, Kyybi is his power! However, I wouldnt find it cool, because i can't accept someone as bratty controlling a Monster capable of destroying the whole world.

>.<

sorry but i also have to disagree with u about the kyuubi.

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as stated by j-man the kyuubi was a gift from his father to protect him this power is part of him what he does with it is his decision but doesnt mean its not there

 

[roflcopter]

I wasnt comparing the Sharings personality with that of the Kyuubi, pleasssseeeee. (imagen Sasukes face if he wants to activate his sharingan and the "eye" starts back chatting him)

I can imagine the talk tho.
Sasuke: AMATERASU!!!
eye: NOOO!! U'll damage me and ill get blind
Sasuke: wtf ?? talking eye?... *gets stabbed*



I got your point zumorikato. And your, miggy69. Kyybi is definilely a power, given to Naruto and physichally, it is his. But until the moment he can control it. UNtil 3t.
Further way it's not his!
Lets take an example "Kid with a gun". Although kid doesnt know how to use gun. GUn doesnt act by itself. Kid controls it in the way he doesnt know and thats why it can be dangerous.
Frankly speaking, I dont understand, how can something, which you cantcontrol, and that has it's own purposes very different from yours, can be called your power! inmy opinion it's not your. When he'll learn to control 4t while being conscious (or how isit spelled) it will be 100% his!
Allthough, imo, it wont happen!! Well, imagine Sage mode + kyybi. He gets his regeneration is is invincible.
Remember naruto with Orochimaru? The sword of Kunasagi didnt even damage him.
UNless he makes a contract with Kyybi "Dont take over me and it's ok, so dont go 4t (i dbout its possible) Or kyybi seal wil be somehow strongen and power will be available only til 3t - it's his powa

 

[zumorikato]

I can imagine the talk tho.
Sasuke: AMATERASU!!!
eye: NOOO!! U'll damage me and ill get blind
Sasuke: wtf ?? talking eye?... *gets stabbed*



I got your point zumorikato. And your, miggy69. Kyybi is definilely a power, given to Naruto and physichally, it is his. But until the moment he can control it. UNtil 3t.
Further way it's not his!
Lets take an example "Kid with a gun". Although kid doesnt know how to use gun. GUn doesnt act by itself. Kid controls it in the way he doesnt know and thats why it can be dangerous.
Frankly speaking, I dont understand, how can something, which you cantcontrol, and that has it's own purposes very different from yours, can be called your power! inmy opinion it's not your. When he'll learn to control 4t while being conscious (or how isit spelled) it will be 100% his!
Allthough, imo, it wont happen!! Well, imagine Sage mode + kyybi. He gets his regeneration is is invincible.
Remember naruto with Orochimaru? The sword of Kunasagi didnt even damage him.
UNless he makes a contract with Kyybi "Dont take over me and it's ok, so dont go 4t (i dbout its possible) Or kyybi seal wil be somehow strongen and power will be available only til 3t - it's his powa

Cool, cool. but you must remember, they also state in the manga that the host's of the tailed beasts is in most cases stronger than the actual tailed beast which is cointained in them, otherwise the demon inside would not have been sealed away, thats most probably the reason why the 4th sealed it inside Naruto and not someone else, or even him for that matter. Thus Naruto will have the ability in the future to control the Kyuubi, its only a matter of time. And you also need to understand, the fact that Naruto doesnt have full controll over the Kyuubi doesnt mean he cant use what control he currently posses.

 

[roflcopter]

they also state in the manga that the host's of the tailed beasts is in most cases stronger than the actual tailed beast which is cointained in them, otherwise the demon inside would not have been sealed away

Damn i cant believe that Naruto is stronger than kYybi! THat cant be!

hus Naruto will have the ability in the future to control the Kyuubi, its only a matter of time.

COme one!1 That would suck! I mean, come on, control the 4 tails? Be invincible?
I dont want him to beinvincible. I want him to be VERY strong and GROWN up(in tems of emotions and analyse while in battle) but still vurnable!
4t however, make him invincible to an extend when the strongest of Kusanagi sword's (orochimarus) Couldnt pierce or even scratch him even with such a great cynethic(???i dno how it's spelled) energy!

 

[Miggy69]

i dont want naruto to be invincible cause 4tails state is not cool maybe just his eyes change but not show the demon cloak.

 

[Izuna Uchiha]

Re: It's 100% Prooved Now, Sasuke...

... is not in the level we thought he was.

Sasuke "defeated" Oro, but remember, Oro was bleeding before the match even started.

Sasuke "defeated" Deidara, but remember, this guy was mentally crazy about defeating sharingan.

Sasuke "defeated" Itachi, but remember, Itachi was sick and half blind already.

Now look at Sasuke's last battle. He already lost the match when Kirābī wasnt even serious, he could have died numerous times if some1 didn't save him, so 1 vs 1 with a NOT serious Kirābī would still result in Sasuke's death.

Is it just me or does someone think Kishi was drunk when writing this fight?

This tread u just made about sasuke has already been put out!

I think the name of the tread was sasuke never won a fight! or something like that, I also think it was bishamon who made it.... sorry but ur too late!

lol no big deal great job!

 

[altleader]

Re: It's 100% Prooved Now, Sasuke...

This tread u just made about sasuke has already been put out!

I think the name of the tread was sasuke never won a fight! or something like that, I also think it was bishamon who made it.... sorry but ur too late!

lol no big deal great job!

Dude that was another thread, this is different.

I'm saying Sasuke is not in the level we thought he was.
I'm NOT saying Sasuke never won a fight!

 

[Izuna Uchiha]

Re: It's 100% Prooved Now, Sasuke...

Dude that was another thread, this is different.

I'm saying Sasuke is not in the level we thought he was.
I'm NOT saying Sasuke never won a fight!

lol...sorry, it looked pretty much the same.

 

[HirachiDono]

Sasuke OWNS!!!
dont be jealous...

 

[Izuna Uchiha]

Sasuke OWNS!!!
dont be jealous...

I'm not jealous, I love im, he's in my top 5!

 

[Goro Kaguya]

Sasuke OWNS!!!
dont be jealous...

Sasuke sucks! Almost every fight he has been in his opponent has had some disability. Or they go easy on, sometimes a combo of both.

Sas Vs Haku L Naruto saves sasuke
Sas Vs Lee ( Befroe chunnin exam) L Gai saves sas
Sas Vs Oro (Forest of Death) L sas gets owned and gets cursemark
Sas Vs Gara Sasuke got owned L
Sas Vs Naruto ( konoha hosptial) Kakashi saves sasuke L
Sas Vs Sound Five Sas gets owned L
Sas Vs Naruto (valley of the end) Sasuke wins, cause naruto made him wear headband of konoha TECH W

That looks like a bunch of lost to me. sasuke sucks!

On to Shuppidden

Sas Vs Orochimaro WbuT oro is sick, oro still survives in kabuto
Sas Vs Dedaira W didn't he have an obsession with uchiha that clouded his mind?
Sas Vs Itachi W Itachi gives it too him, i won't go into how mad this made me.
Sas vs 8 tails W but the 8tails barely fights....


If you havent caught on by now it's only until Shupppiden does Sas show some improvement (imo) and even then all this fights are one sided. It's like it i were to fight Superman but he had kryptonite embedded into this heart.....

Sasuke a bum, who thinks he soooo cool.

 

[Izuna Uchiha]

Sasuke sucks! Almost every fight he has been in his opponent has had some disability. Or they go easy on, sometimes a combo of both.

Sas Vs Haku L Naruto saves sasuke
Sas Vs Lee ( Befroe chunnin exam) L Gai saves sas
Sas Vs Oro (Forest of Death) L sas gets owned and gets cursemark
Sas Vs Gara Sasuke got owned L
Sas Vs Naruto ( konoha hosptial) Kakashi saves sasuke L
Sas Vs Sound Five Sas gets owned L
Sas Vs Naruto (valley of the end) Sasuke wins, cause naruto made him wear headband of konoha TECH W

That looks like a bunch of lost to me. sasuke sucks!

On to Shuppidden

Sas Vs Orochimaro WbuT oro is sick, oro still survives in kabuto
Sas Vs Dedaira W didn't he have an obsession with uchiha that clouded his mind?
Sas Vs Itachi W Itachi gives it too him, i won't go into how mad this made me.
Sas vs 8 tails W but the 8tails barely fights....


If you havent caught on by now it's only until Shupppiden does Sas show some improvement (imo) and even then all this fights are one sided. It's like it i were to fight Superman but he had kryptonite embedded into this heart.....

Sasuke a bum, who thinks he soooo cool.

I admit that sasuke is pretty much a loser... but it doesn't deny the fact that he's strong, very strong. Unfortunately for him every time he fought, he was one step behind his opponent, and that's the point. Sasuke has always been driven by this quest of power, because he's always been surrounded by people stronger than him, and that's why he'll never stop until he's the strongest. Maybe in his next fight he'll get own and he will realize how weak he his, and he'll train like hell, like he usually does. I assure u that the next time we see sasuke (after getting own) he'll be on a hole other level, pretty much like Naruto. That's the pattern that been repeating itself over and over again in the naruto world!

 

[Goro Kaguya]

I admit that sasuke is pretty much a loser... but it doesn't deny the fact that he's strong, very strong. Unfortunately for him every time he fought, he was one step behind his opponent, and that's the point. Sasuke has always been driven by this quest of power, because he's always been surrounded by people stronger than him, and that's why he'll never stop until he's the strongest. Maybe in his next fight he'll get own and he will realize how weak he his, and he'll train like hell, like he usually does. I assure u that the next time we see sasuke (after getting own) he'll be on a hole other level, pretty much like Naruto. That's the pattern that been repeating itself over and over again in the naruto world!

I would love to debate you on this but i wont.

To stressful for me, point blank. Naruto trains to become stronger. He actually trains

Sasuke, like ALL Uchiha shown thus far. uses that damn Sharingan Rare Candy BUllSHIT genkai to grow stronger. Maybe if he reverted to his training back like he was in squad 7

He might actually grow. Just my opinion....

 

[Kazamori]

I would love to debate you on this but i wont.

To stressful for me, point blank. Naruto trains to become stronger. He actually trains

Sasuke, like ALL Uchiha shown thus far. uses that damn Sharingan Rare Candy BUllSHIT genkai to grow stronger. Maybe if he reverted to his training back like he was in squad 7

He might actually grow. Just my opinion....

Sasukes eyes needs to be taken out , he needs normal ones XDD

(jk)

But without Sharingan he would suck so much