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Firstly no jutsu is perfect and ive in fact rated tobi's ability to avoid attacks higher than itachi's susano.
First mistake was showing us an incomplete susano by other ninja's. In fact you have praised susano in you first paragraph. We have seen that it has taken kage level ninja's extreme difficulties to get past an incomplete susano and yet susano in its incomplete form still stands and is still protecting the user. This alone should tell you that susano even incomplete is one of the greatest defences in the show.
Also bare in mind that susano's defence goes up a level depending on its version. If kage level ninja's are struggling against its incomplete form, when its fully complete none of them, yes none of them will be able to get past it.
If you are talking about itachi's susano, at least you shouldve done the right thing and looked at itachi's incomplete susano's feat. Did you forget, or did you think nobody will mention it. Anyway itachi's incomplete susano protected him from kirin. Its v1 form alone was enough;
Kirin is a far superior attack than any of Tsuande's chakra infused punches and kicks or the combination of A and onoki and yet itachi's incomplete susano stood. Kirin> Tsuande punch > A & onoki combo.
Next mistake was when you thought a complete susano has the same weaknesses as a final susano and again you are wrong.
If you look at any of the incomplete susano's version whether in v1 or v2 or v3 it doesnt protect the user from underneath, but also it has a ribcage (gaps).
V1 susano;
Vulnerable underneath
V2;
Vulnerable underneath
V3;
Vulnerable underneath
Final form;
If you see, susano's final form doesnt have a ribcage or the weaknesses that an incomplete one has
What causes blindness is more to do with tsukuyomi and amaterasu than susano. Susnao causes physical pain. Onoki was said to have fought madara in his prime and onoki still came out the lose. Dust releases clearly wasnt a factor. Do i believe dust release alone can obliterate a full susano? No. Damage it? Yes.
Now onto the legendary weapons assumtions. Firstly this is what the legendray weapons are described as;
You talked about kg techniques. Firstly the legendary weapon are ETHEREAL WEAPONS, meaning intangible/no substanceless/spiritual. Now alot of people will say will it does have a physical nature and they are right, but thats because it can turn from a weapon that has no physical presence to one that has.
The yata mirror was able to block physical attacks;
Kept the hydra's in check with it;
Explosive tags was useless;
Sasuke's katana bounced off it;
None of the attacks above were elementary. Onto elementary attacks, its been said that
it can change its element to subdue all elementary attacks and i quote "It is said to be endowed with all nature transformations and as such changes its own characteristics depending on those of the attack it receives, making the technique ineffective". Backed by Zetsu;
Clearly this includes kg, but for you ill makes several examples.
Ice release is a kg, but you see if the yata mirror was to change to a fire element this kg would prove futile. Fire > ice
Lava release, is fire and earth. If the mirror was to change to water, this makes this kg hopeless. Water > lava
Wood release. Water and earth. If the mirror changes to lightning/fire this makes this attack useless. Lightning/fire > wood
Storm release, lightning and water. If the mirror changes to wind, this makes the attack useless.
You say if dust release was fired above. You see the yata mirror isnt stationary. If susano was to lift its hand and use the yata mirror to protect the user from above, then dust release is also a non factor.
Onto the Totsuka sword. The sword is also an ethereal weapon and infact is made of liquid, yes liquid which comes from the sake jar and i quote "It is sheathed in a sake jar; the blade is actually the liquid inside the gourd that is released and shaped, rather than a conventional sword". Even the manga backs this;
Its after did it have a physical presence was it able to cut the heads of the hydra technique. Tbh im not sure how this is a weakness because even if lets say it didnt seal it, its clearly sharp enough to easily slice the heads of such giant snakes with one swoop. He easily cut through a human body. Also itachi couldve wanted to cut the heads off and not seal it, instead save that for oro. It does say anything it pierces though so ill give you the benefit of the doubt and say it has to pierce you to seal you, but id rather be sealed than get decapitated.
You then talk about its speed. Firstly a weapon is only as useless as its user and a legendary weapon is no different. Itachi has what it takes to fool an opponent either with a Karasu Bunshin no Jutsu or his genjutsu prowess. Although ill say that in both cases (oro and naagto), both were standing still, the totsuka sword still got them will relative ease and infact in both cases, they didnt know what hit them before it was too late. Oro was in the middle of his speech when he got impaled;
Nagato had no idea what was going on and notice the exclamation mark and surprise on his face;
You then claimed that the more chakra a user has the longer it takes to seal?. That is not only a wild assumption, its not a weakness. If you get impaled whether you have a monstrous chakra or not, you'll end up in the bottle.
The rennigan like the other 2 doujutsu can see chakra, but the reason why nagato couldnt see susano is because it was covered by smoke. The smoke you can say acts the same was as the Kirigakure no Jutsu (hidden mist), which blocks the sharigans view point;
You then say the totsuka sword cannot seal a tailed beast, what prove do you have?, the answer is none. Now its my turn. The totsuka sword is no different from the Kohaku no Johei, which is another legendary weapon which sealed the 8 tails. If one legendary weapon can, i see no reason why another legendary sealing weapon cannot although that is the closest 'proof' we have that it can, but also what the DB says
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, that i didnt get to post because it was closed. After typing all that i had to post it somewhere xdFirstly no jutsu is perfect and ive in fact rated tobi's ability to avoid attacks higher than itachi's susano.
First mistake was showing us an incomplete susano by other ninja's. In fact you have praised susano in you first paragraph. We have seen that it has taken kage level ninja's extreme difficulties to get past an incomplete susano and yet susano in its incomplete form still stands and is still protecting the user. This alone should tell you that susano even incomplete is one of the greatest defences in the show.
Also bare in mind that susano's defence goes up a level depending on its version. If kage level ninja's are struggling against its incomplete form, when its fully complete none of them, yes none of them will be able to get past it.
If you are talking about itachi's susano, at least you shouldve done the right thing and looked at itachi's incomplete susano's feat. Did you forget, or did you think nobody will mention it. Anyway itachi's incomplete susano protected him from kirin. Its v1 form alone was enough;
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Next mistake was when you thought a complete susano has the same weaknesses as a final susano and again you are wrong.
If you look at any of the incomplete susano's version whether in v1 or v2 or v3 it doesnt protect the user from underneath, but also it has a ribcage (gaps).
V1 susano;
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Vulnerable underneath
V2;
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Vulnerable underneath
V3;
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Vulnerable underneath
Final form;
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If you see, susano's final form doesnt have a ribcage or the weaknesses that an incomplete one has
What causes blindness is more to do with tsukuyomi and amaterasu than susano. Susnao causes physical pain. Onoki was said to have fought madara in his prime and onoki still came out the lose. Dust releases clearly wasnt a factor. Do i believe dust release alone can obliterate a full susano? No. Damage it? Yes.
Now onto the legendary weapons assumtions. Firstly this is what the legendray weapons are described as;
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You talked about kg techniques. Firstly the legendary weapon are ETHEREAL WEAPONS, meaning intangible/no substanceless/spiritual. Now alot of people will say will it does have a physical nature and they are right, but thats because it can turn from a weapon that has no physical presence to one that has.
The yata mirror was able to block physical attacks;
Kept the hydra's in check with it;
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Explosive tags was useless;
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Sasuke's katana bounced off it;
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None of the attacks above were elementary. Onto elementary attacks, its been said that
it can change its element to subdue all elementary attacks and i quote "It is said to be endowed with all nature transformations and as such changes its own characteristics depending on those of the attack it receives, making the technique ineffective". Backed by Zetsu;
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Clearly this includes kg, but for you ill makes several examples.
Ice release is a kg, but you see if the yata mirror was to change to a fire element this kg would prove futile. Fire > ice
Lava release, is fire and earth. If the mirror was to change to water, this makes this kg hopeless. Water > lava
Wood release. Water and earth. If the mirror changes to lightning/fire this makes this attack useless. Lightning/fire > wood
Storm release, lightning and water. If the mirror changes to wind, this makes the attack useless.
You say if dust release was fired above. You see the yata mirror isnt stationary. If susano was to lift its hand and use the yata mirror to protect the user from above, then dust release is also a non factor.
Onto the Totsuka sword. The sword is also an ethereal weapon and infact is made of liquid, yes liquid which comes from the sake jar and i quote "It is sheathed in a sake jar; the blade is actually the liquid inside the gourd that is released and shaped, rather than a conventional sword". Even the manga backs this;
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Its after did it have a physical presence was it able to cut the heads of the hydra technique. Tbh im not sure how this is a weakness because even if lets say it didnt seal it, its clearly sharp enough to easily slice the heads of such giant snakes with one swoop. He easily cut through a human body. Also itachi couldve wanted to cut the heads off and not seal it, instead save that for oro. It does say anything it pierces though so ill give you the benefit of the doubt and say it has to pierce you to seal you, but id rather be sealed than get decapitated.
You then talk about its speed. Firstly a weapon is only as useless as its user and a legendary weapon is no different. Itachi has what it takes to fool an opponent either with a Karasu Bunshin no Jutsu or his genjutsu prowess. Although ill say that in both cases (oro and naagto), both were standing still, the totsuka sword still got them will relative ease and infact in both cases, they didnt know what hit them before it was too late. Oro was in the middle of his speech when he got impaled;
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Nagato had no idea what was going on and notice the exclamation mark and surprise on his face;
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You then claimed that the more chakra a user has the longer it takes to seal?. That is not only a wild assumption, its not a weakness. If you get impaled whether you have a monstrous chakra or not, you'll end up in the bottle.
The rennigan like the other 2 doujutsu can see chakra, but the reason why nagato couldnt see susano is because it was covered by smoke. The smoke you can say acts the same was as the Kirigakure no Jutsu (hidden mist), which blocks the sharigans view point;
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You then say the totsuka sword cannot seal a tailed beast, what prove do you have?, the answer is none. Now its my turn. The totsuka sword is no different from the Kohaku no Johei, which is another legendary weapon which sealed the 8 tails. If one legendary weapon can, i see no reason why another legendary sealing weapon cannot although that is the closest 'proof' we have that it can, but also what the DB says
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