So Itachi was 13 when he killed his clan how strong do you think he was BEFORE he developed ms from shisui's death. He was strong enough to be made an Anbu captain I'm guessing that's a rank synonymous with jonin but where do you put him on the strength chart? Could he have beaten Kakashi at the time with just 3tomoe or fodderized Oro? Was he stronger than hiruzen? I'm curious.