genocide has no justification.
they didnt need to kill the whole clan, anyone who says so doesnt know human nature.
and rather than fight against such an unjust order, itachi took it up the ass and let himself be controlled by corrupt old genocidal men.
and its not the genocide per se that so enrages me as a hater.
its all the other things he did after that.
If you are saving 10 people close to you while letting 20 others die (which is actually much less severe than Itachi's predicament was), are you not being selfish?
yes. and itahci is selfish.
he saved nothing by sparing orochimaru and let thousands of people be tortured and killed.
he let thousands of people die when he murdered 6 innocent jinchurikis and gave nukes to akatsuki.
hes nothing but a hypocrite who hid behind his genocide of uchihas as proof hes "loyal" when really hes just a selfish psychopath.
For Itachi it was more like: you kill your whole family or you become caught in between both parties in a war (initiated by the Uchiha btw) where not only would most of your family die anyway, but many others as well.
and then when he was faced with the exact same situation of favouring one group over another, he contradicted his original choice. he chose to spare orochimaru and orochimarus men rather than stop them from torturing and killing thousands.
for itachi, the choice was more "kill everyone and commit a warcrime, or defeat uchihas in a fair fight". much like how red wedding was done.
in the red wedding in game of thrones, they preferred a brutal slaughter under the protection of hospitality, rather than defeat the starks in the field in a war.
konoha is treated as heroes for a onesided slaughter/ambush, yet the freys/boltons/lannisters are treated as villains for doing the exact same thing.
By doing this, Itachi saved the village itself from the damage that the coup would have caused, the lives of many villagers, the happiness of even more villagers whose loved ones would not die (including the Uchiha btw), and possibly even the entire village (the damage caused by the coup would leave Konoha extremely vulnerable to any outside attacks).
by doing this, itachi proved he was an iredeemable monstrous murderous psychopath who thinks he can justify any amount of butchery by saying its "to kill the few to save the many" and then contradict himself later hwne he did nothing to stop orochimaru or danzo even though taking them down saves more lives than it doesnt save.
there would not have been a coup. with or without itachi, the uchiahs were going to be wiped out in a day. one clan vs a village isnt doing any damage to said village. itd be a onesided slaughter either way. it always was going to be once fugaku lost element of surprise and shisuis support.
as i said in my other posts there were ways to stop the coup without killing EVERY uchiha.
how can you have a coup with only 10-20 young uchiha kids and old men? you cannot.
the situation would be permanently averted with much less loss of life than itachi ended up causing.
moreover, couldnt konoha just surrender? that would DEFINITELY avoid anyone dying. so really the civil war would jsut be because of konohas refusal to sacrifice their own pride for the sake of innocent lives and innocent blood.
itachi definitely didnt save shit.
why? because the other nations could still see konoha as weakened enough to invade after they lost their STRONGEST GODDAMN CLAN IN ONE NIGHT.
plus shisui and itachi are also lost. so the situation left konoha weakened either way. itachi did everythign he could to make sure the genociee happened rather than being a hero and stopping it.
as i said above, if itahci did the right bting, why not just admit it. why keep it a secret? because of a dead traitorous clan's honor? itachi has no right to control uchihas legacy.
but he has the responsibility to let konoha know everything.
Hiruzen was trying to negotiate. He had itachi buy him time to continue negotiations with the uchiha clan but hiruzen agreed that if a pact couldnt be met that was the only plan of action left that would save the village. Itachi knew this and knew that his clan wasnt going to budge.
course they would if konoha did it sensibly and assasinated their ringleaders.
Itachi was compelled against his will. He was a pacifist his actions are stark contrast to his stated beliefs.
itachi was a vicious evil psychopath who butchered innocent jinchurikis in cold blood when he obviously didnt have to.
n the village and away from revenge but regardless itachis actions were neccessary and selfless in the purest sense of the word.
itachis actions wre the worst thing he ever could have fukin done. it weakened konoha severely, left it without its strongest clan, and then selfishly refuse to tell anyone about the facts. meaning he has no respect for konoha at all and no respect for anyone but himself. he cares more about the honor of dead people than bringing hiruzen and danzo to righteous justice for their warcrime.
itachis actions ensured the beginning of a global world war.
Personally I feel like Itachi did the right thing,
he comimtted genocide. which is a massive warcrime and violation of every god given human right.
how come itachi can slaughter hundreds of people in the night and be a hero for it yet sasuke tries to kill karin and is now the worst villain to ever murder?
how come you can call him a hero when killing EVERYONE was clearly overboard and he could have easily achieved the same result with far less losses on the uchiha side? they arent barbarians who will never surrender. when things look impossible to win in their favour, uchihas will surrender. fact of human nature.
I didn't read either as I know his story perfectly. We both know he was a selfless hero who saved the shinobi world at 13.
he is a genocidal murderous maniac. what other selfless heroes do you know that butchered hundreds of people and committed an atrocious warcime just because of speculation that it MIGHT save more lives?
save the world from what? itahci was ordered to do it so danzo is the one who "saved" the world. and second, itachi has no proof that uchihas will even survive the night regarless of what he decides. danzo was going to go in with his anbus and do it all himself.
so itchi saved nothing, he jsut sped up the process.
wiping out uchihas in genocide is supremely selfish conisdering there were so many bloodless alternatives.
What he did was morally gray,
genocide is morally grey?
, everyone knew what he did was stop the ninja war(or occurring).
everyone in other villages could have invaded anyway. itachi stopped nothing. losing a clan overnight plus shisui and itachi, greatly weakened konoha.
Itachi's methods were questionable, but he had no other way to stop it.
except all the ways i said.
a man backed into a corner right? So why would he have him kill children who knew nothing for gods sake? Because thats not backed into a corner, killing children who knew nothing about it is evil p
killing peopel who know something but have no intention to participate isnt evil?
commititng genocide when they could have killed the ringleaders and had the survivors surrender isnt evil?
committing genocide when the point of their actions was to stop any loss of life at all and not let konoha be weakened?
Itachi is proved to be one of the most analytical characters in naruto. If there was another way it wouldve been done.
itachi is shown to be one of the dumbest characyers in anruto who underestimates everyone he meets especially obito. there were so many other ways and itahci insisted on genocide on children women and old men.
. The uchiha have been shown this entire series as an arrogant clan, theyve been negotiating for awhile and nothing came out of it.
we dont know what was offered or what konoha is willing to do to avoid bloodshed.
. The uchiha werent going to stop until they completely took over the village. L
which could be done bloodlessly if hiruzen surrenders.
Itachi clearly thought everything through and realized for the sake of the village and the greater good of all the villagers and sasuke for thatt matter there was no way around that. IB or not if you think otherwise youre thick in the head
\itachi clearly thought nothing through a few years later, and realised for the sake of letting thousands of people die and the greater good of orochimaru, he needed to do nothing ot stop orochimaru and let him go for no reason. and as a result hiruzen was murdered and hundreds of people got brutlaly massacred in a devastating invasion.
he was a known evil sociopath who after he was finished with his family, ordered sasuke to kill an innocent person just to make sasuke stronger.
Why would he kill his whole family if there was a way around it then? Wheres the logic in that?
why would he let orochimaru go? why would he help akatsuki collect living nukes? why would he torture sasuke?
itachi has no logic.
