itachis brain and nagatos power

[parathunder2]

Im new to da forum ,so go easy n me guys this is abt chibaku tensei and totsuka!i saw ur guys debate!
O_O well this is difficult, mmm... Itachis power is with his spiritual weapons. Why didnt he attck the core with totsuka when he had da chanse with naruto and bee,they were in a desperate situvation,if itachi needed a chanse dat was it!saying it is due to plot wont be fun guys , i think totsuka has limitations! Otherwise dat will solo even gods! As i think every jutsu has a weakness and every weapon has its limit(my opinion)! So i guess itachi knew abt his weapon as a genious and selected his best option!so chibaku tensei takes this! Jst thinking itachi knew wht he should do as he is da best to calibrate what should be done!so pointing out sth else is not logic!if itachi thinks he wont b able to take dis with totsuka why do u guys go against his idea stating dat it can absorbe chibaku tensei! So chibaku tensei wins! Hv a nice day ! Id lv to hear u guys out ...

 

[TrollKing]

Itachi already stomped after saving kcm and bee at the same time while nagato got himself literally 20 years younger thanks to bee chan. There's really nothing to debate when kishi putting itachi ms and rinnegan nagato on the same level, letting itachi finish him in less than a minute

Manga facts:

1. Nagato solo bee chan and kcm without breaking a sweat(meaning 2 jin are no threat to him)

2. Itachi+2 jin stomp nagato like a little baby

People tend to give itachi credits to the 2 jin

 

[parathunder2]

Itachi already stomped after saving kcm and bee at the same time while nagato got himself literally 20 years younger thanks to bee chan. There's really nothing to debate when kishi putting itachi ms and rinnegan nagato on the same level, letting itachi finish him in less than a minute

Manga facts:

1. Nagato solo bee chan and kcm without breaking a sweat(meaning 2 jin are no threat to him)

2. Itachi+2 jin stomp nagato like a little baby

People tend to give itachi credits to the 2 jin

:erm::erm:
Yes ma frnd!rinnegan and ms are like a sword and a kunai, they r just tools !ms is the kunai and rinnegan is the sword,so naturally ms is at a disadvantage,but if u are on par using the kunai it shows ur talent and the power f da sword,itachi is talented

 

[Smd]

Itachi already stomped after saving kcm and bee at the same time while nagato got himself literally 20 years younger thanks to bee chan. There's really nothing to debate when kishi putting itachi ms and rinnegan nagato on the same level, letting itachi finish him in less than a minute

Manga facts:

1. Nagato solo bee chan and kcm without breaking a sweat(meaning 2 jin are no threat to him)

2. Itachi+2 jin stomp nagato like a little baby

People tend to give itachi credits to the 2 jin

i literally think itachi could have beaten c/t by himself but kishi couldnt have him doing that.

he was already going to have him defeated by itachi because he was the only one who could seal nagato

 

[parathunder2]

i literally think itachi could have beaten c/t by himself but kishi couldnt have him doing that.

he was already going to have him defeated by itachi because he was the only one who could seal nagato

Mmm...dat depends! Wht kishi shws us is wht we should consider!i was jst talking abt totsuka , but yes may be, who knws itachi is a genius!
But nagato is power! We can pull it in anyway we like! Theirfore lets consider wht kishi shws us!

 

[ninjarasengan]

No,just no...I swear people on here need to learn how to read.

Nagato had no interest in defeating the three and was warning them about his techs, second he regained some youth reversing what the gedou mazo did but his legs were still busted, Naruto didn't use his full speed in this fight and was trying to talk to Itachi and Nagato, Kabuto was controlling Nagato and held back on his abilities going for ways to capture with their bodies intact, also he didn't make Nagato immediately soul rip Itachi when he freed himself(Itachi had no Bijuu chakra arms to grab his soul with)--the time interval between using his moves like shinrei tensei was removed because with the main body his chakra was no longer split, Itachi who has a low chakra stamina was allowed to use moves that would normally exhausted him repeatedly due to being edo and only sound based genjutsu work on rennegan. It was a combination of the Jinchuuriki's help-Kabuto controlling Nagato-and Nagato's damaged legs that even brought Itachi to Nagato's level in the first place...Kishimoto had to jump through a lot of hoops to even give a good reason for why a stronger Nagato could be brought down...One on one Itachi has no answer to Nagato's attraction jutsu that would pull him right into Nagato's Hands or immediately shinrei tensei if he tried anything. Not to mention the chakra disruption ability of the black chakra disruption blades(the only way Itachi has a chance is if like all of Itachi's other situation victories Nagato doesn't have Intel)

 

[TrollKing]

Mmm...dat depends! Wht kishi shws us is wht we should consider!i was jst talking abt totsuka , but yes may be, who knws itachi is a genius!
But nagato is power! We can pull it in anyway we like! Theirfore lets consider wht kishi shws us!

The only thing 2 bee contributed was the bijudama, while itachi threw one susanoo dagger. Without 2 jin, itachi coulda spammed 4-5 more like continuous susanoo arrows, easily overcome unless kishi made itachi having slash back for over used ms =D

 

[TrollKing]

No,just no...I swear people on here need to learn how to read.

Nagato had no interest in defeating the three and was warning them about his techs, second he regained some youth reversing what the gedou mazo did but his legs were still busted, Naruto didn't use his full speed in this fight and was trying to talk to Itachi and Nagato, Kabuto was controlling Nagato and held back on his abilities going for ways to capture with their bodies intact, also he didn't make Nagato immediately soul rip Itachi when he freed himself(Itachi had no Bijuu chakra arms to grab his soul with)--the time interval between using his moves like shinrei tensei was removed because with the main body his chakra was no longer split, Itachi who has a low chakra stamina was allowed to use moves that would normally exhausted him repeatedly due to being edo and only sound based genjutsu work on rennegan. It was a combination of the Jinchuuriki's help-Kabuto controlling Nagato-and Nagato's damaged legs that even brought Itachi to Nagato's level in the first place...Kishimoto had to jump through a lot of hoops to even give a good reason for why a stronger Nagato could be brought down...One on one Itachi has no answer to Nagato's attraction jutsu that would pull him right into Nagato's Hands or immediately shinrei tensei if he tried anything. Not to mention the chakra disruption ability of the black chakra disruption blades(the only way Itachi has a chance is if like all of Itachi's other situation victories Nagato doesn't have Intel)

It shows naruto had no reason to hold back and didn't say he did, so he's in full speed. Nagato was giving out freebies until nagato got taken over and went killer mode, literally one shotted 2 jin, but itachi saved them at the last heroic moment

 

[parathunder2]

No,just no...I swear people on here need to learn how to read.

Nagato had no interest in defeating the three and was warning them about his techs, second he regained some youth reversing what the gedou mazo did but his legs were still busted, Naruto didn't use his full speed in this fight and was trying to talk to Itachi and Nagato, Kabuto was controlling Nagato and held back on his abilities going for ways to capture with their bodies intact, also he didn't make Nagato immediately soul rip Itachi when he freed himself(Itachi had no Bijuu chakra arms to grab his soul with)--the time interval between using his moves like shinrei tensei was removed because with the main body his chakra was no longer split, Itachi who has a low chakra stamina was allowed to use moves that would normally exhausted him repeatedly due to being edo and only sound based genjutsu work on rennegan. It was a combination of the Jinchuuriki's help-Kabuto controlling Nagato-and Nagato's damaged legs that even brought Itachi to Nagato's level in the first place...Kishimoto had to jump through a lot of hoops to even give a good reason for why a stronger Nagato could be brought down...One on one Itachi has no answer to Nagato's attraction jutsu that would pull him right into Nagato's Hands or immediately shinrei tensei if he tried anything. Not to mention the chakra disruption ability of the black chakra disruption blades(the only way Itachi has a chance is if like all of Itachi's other situation victories Nagato doesn't have Intel)

Thats ma opinion too frnd,bt we cant confirm it since itachi is a genius! Did u read ma post friend? and where does it say dat only sound genguitsu works on rinnegan?

 

[parathunder2]

The only thing 2 bee contributed was the bijudama, while itachi threw one susanoo dagger. Without 2 jin, itachi coulda spammed 4-5 more like continuous susanoo arrows, easily overcome unless kishi made itachi having slash back for over used ms =D

Can u ma frnd remember wht happnd to tsunade when yasaka magatma was fired n her by madara during da kage fight? And can u remember when 5 small bijudama by tailed beast were deflected by naruto in the fight against tobi? Yasaka magatma had a small effect n tsunade and those tailed beast balls did wipe out mountains! We cant compare madaras yasaka magatma to itachis since its not his and we cant copare those tailed beast ballr to that of gyuki since they r nt his, but wht im saying is destruction f tailed beast ball is hard to achieve by yasaka magatma!so itachi alone would have a hard time against ct ma frnd! Dnt u think so?

 

[TrollKing]

Can u ma frnd remember wht happnd to tsunade when yasaka magatma was fired n her by madara during da kage fight? And can u remember when 5 small bijudama by tailed beast were deflected by naruto in the fight against tobi? Yasaka magatma had a small effect n tsunade and those tailed beast balls did wipe out mountains! We cant compare madaras yasaka magatma to itachis since its not his and we cant copare those tailed beast ballr to that of gyuki since they r nt his, but wht im saying is destruction f tailed beast ball is hard to achieve by yasaka magatma!so itachi alone would have a hard time against ct ma frnd! Dnt u think so?

Well kishi put them all 3 parallel together, and no doubt susanoo is strong. Like you said damages would be different in ways, like chidori vs rasengan.
hey do damages differently, but they are pretty equal in power. That's how kishi put it. So even if its weak, he can spam for his life to compensate, it would still do the job or he simply has other ways, doesnt really change the outcome. Otherwise its pathetic for itachi to throw that weak thing, and I'm certain that's not how kishi trying to put =D

 

[parathunder2]

Well kishi put them all 3 parallel together, and no doubt susanoo is strong. Like you said damages would be different in ways, like chidori vs rasengan.
hey do damages differently, but they are pretty equal in power. That's how kishi put it. So even if its weak, he can spam for his life to compensate, it would still do the job or he simply has other ways, doesnt really change the outcome. Otherwise its pathetic for itachi to throw that weak thing, and I'm certain that's not how kishi trying to put =D

Yeah dats wht i was trying to say to da nagato fan friend!its jst 1 way and itachi is shown to us as a mastermind! Theirfore jst blindly arguing is insane, we cant jst create wht we wont,its kishis story! And kishi is jst great @ giving us a hard time compairing!it should be so for us to apply logic and have fun! and itachi should find a way 4 da story to proceed, thats y he is awsome!

 

[assface3]

According to databooks and info from the manga, Totsuka can seal 'anything' it pierces. So, if Itachi could close enough to the singularity (the "black dot"/"central orb") of Chibaku Tensei, he could, based on what we know, absorb it into the gourd of the Totsuka Blade like he would anything else.

 

[Chie]

No,just no...I swear people on here need to learn how to read.

Nagato had no interest in defeating the three and was warning them about his techs, second he regained some youth reversing what the gedou mazo did but his legs were still busted, Naruto didn't use his full speed in this fight and was trying to talk to Itachi and Nagato, Kabuto was controlling Nagato and held back on his abilities going for ways to capture with their bodies intact, also he didn't make Nagato immediately soul rip Itachi when he freed himself(Itachi had no Bijuu chakra arms to grab his soul with)--the time interval between using his moves like shinrei tensei was removed because with the main body his chakra was no longer split, Itachi who has a low chakra stamina was allowed to use moves that would normally exhausted him repeatedly due to being edo and only sound based genjutsu work on rennegan. It was a combination of the Jinchuuriki's help-Kabuto controlling Nagato-and Nagato's damaged legs that even brought Itachi to Nagato's level in the first place...Kishimoto had to jump through a lot of hoops to even give a good reason for why a stronger Nagato could be brought down...One on one Itachi has no answer to Nagato's attraction jutsu that would pull him right into Nagato's Hands or immediately shinrei tensei if he tried anything. Not to mention the chakra disruption ability of the black chakra disruption blades(the only way Itachi has a chance is if like all of Itachi's other situation victories Nagato doesn't have Intel)

To be totally honest, the fact that Kabuto was controlling him doesn't even affect the results of the fight. You say that Nagato had no interest in hurting them, but Kabuto was controlling Nagato and knows all of his techs. Kabuto controlled Nagato very well and isn't stupid. He knew of all of his techs. It was the same as if Nagato wanted to hurt them himself. Itachi got too far away from Nagato when he was freed from the Edo Tensei, so Kabuto didn't make Nagato use soul rip, Itachi was out of range. Itachi's problem when he was alive wasn't low chakra levels. He has a bigger chakra pool than Hebi Sasuke, even while being sick. His problem is low stamina due to being sick. The claim that ocular genjutsu doesn't work on rinnegan was already discredited. Zetsu proved the whole "superior dojutsu is immune to lower dojutsu techs" when he stated that 3-tomoe Sasuke had a chance at genjutsuing MS Itachi. Nagato has no answer to Tsukiyomi or Kotoamatsukami. However, Itachi did not use those techs, because they would have been useless at the moment, considering that Kabuto was completely controlling Nagato at the time, Nagato's mind was not there at the moment. As an Edo, Itachi could have spammed Yasaka Magatama 2 more times and taken out the Chibaku Tensei himself, if Bee and Naruto were not there & he didn't have a chitchat with them. You say that Edo Itachi was brought to Edo Nagato's level because Nagato was crippled, however, Nagato was always crippled ever since the age of 16 from saving Konan from Hanzo's attack. That wasn't anything new, non-crippled Nagato in his prime doesn't exist and is fanfic due to that, considering he was injured well before he reached his prime.

Just as Itachi may not have counters for some of Nagato's rinnegan techs, Nagato has absolutely no counters to Itachi's higher level genjutsu. Also, you stated that the only way Nagato is losing is if he doesn't have intel on Itachi. 90% of the fights in the Naruverse occur with neither side having intel, just like Edo Nagato vs Edo Itachi did. Actually, Itachi didn't really know anything about rinnegan techs and Nagato knew more about MS, considering he knew what amaterasu was. Kakashi knew Itachi used genjutsu and had MS, but still looked into his eyes for the hell of it. Orochimaru even with intel attacked a 14 year old Itachi, full knowing what he could do. That's why he wanted to take over Itachi, he knew his strength and the possibilities with the sharingan. But he got one-shotted by Itachi and Itachi didn't even make eye-contact w/ him, he just activated his 3-tomoe and Oro looked at his back and it was paralysis genjutsu gg. Where do you think Kabuto got the majority of his info about Edo Itachi? That was all from Oro. lol

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Very few people can beat healthy nagato. and itachi ain't one of them

 

[Chie]

Very few people can beat healthy nagato. and itachi ain't one of them

If Nagato was healthy (not drained so much from the rinnegan) and not crippled, he would beat everyone bar Madara, Obito, and Hashirama. But then Kishi nerfed him so much and pretty much made Healthy Nagato a fanfic, because he's been crippled since saving Konan from Hanzo's attack and his health is seriously drained from using the rinnegan, to the point he has to rely on the paths to do all the fighting for him.

 

[parathunder2]

To be totally honest, the fact that Kabuto was controlling him doesn't even affect the results of the fight. You say that Nagato had no interest in hurting them, but Kabuto was controlling Nagato and knows all of his techs. Kabuto controlled Nagato very well and isn't stupid. He knew of all of his techs. It was the same as if Nagato wanted to hurt them himself. Itachi got too far away from Nagato when he was freed from the Edo Tensei, so Kabuto didn't make Nagato use soul rip, Itachi was out of range. Itachi's problem when he was alive wasn't low chakra levels. He has a bigger chakra pool than Hebi Sasuke, even while being sick. His problem is low stamina due to being sick. The claim that ocular genjutsu doesn't work on rinnegan was already discredited. Zetsu proved the whole "superior dojutsu is immune to lower dojutsu techs" when he stated that 3-tomoe Sasuke had a chance at genjutsuing MS Itachi. Nagato has no answer to Tsukiyomi or Kotoamatsukami. However, Itachi did not use those techs, because they would have been useless at the moment, considering that Kabuto was completely controlling Nagato at the time, Nagato's mind was not there at the moment. As an Edo, Itachi could have spammed Yasaka Magatama 2 more times and taken out the Chibaku Tensei himself, if Bee and Naruto were not there & he didn't have a chitchat with them. You say that Edo Itachi was brought to Edo Nagato's level because Nagato was crippled, however, Nagato was always crippled ever since the age of 16 from saving Konan from Hanzo's attack. That wasn't anything new, non-crippled Nagato in his prime doesn't exist and is fanfic due to that, considering he was injured well before he reached his prime.

Just as Itachi may not have counters for some of Nagato's rinnegan techs, Nagato has absolutely no counters to Itachi's higher level genjutsu. Also, you stated that the only way Nagato is losing is if he doesn't have intel on Itachi. 90% of the fights in the Naruverse occur with neither side having intel, just like Edo Nagato vs Edo Itachi did. Actually, Itachi didn't really know anything about rinnegan techs and Nagato knew more about MS, considering he knew what amaterasu was. Kakashi knew Itachi used genjutsu and had MS, but still looked into his eyes for the hell of it. Orochimaru even with intel attacked a 14 year old Itachi, full knowing what he could do. That's why he wanted to take over Itachi, he knew his strength and the possibilities with the sharingan. But he got one-shotted by Itachi and Itachi didn't even make eye-contact w/ him, he just activated his 3-tomoe and Oro looked at his back and it was paralysis genjutsu gg. Where do you think Kabuto got the majority of his info about Edo Itachi? That was all from Oro. lol

Saying that being cotrolled by kabuto had no effect is not fair! The style of combat is different from one to another! For eg: jst think shikamaru is dead and kabuto revives him,and then he takes shikamaru to fight hidan on that day!(dnt find faults in da eg , it is sth i used to make u understand wht i say ) Will shikamaru win? We cant say so, the outcome f dat fight was due to shikamarus brain,if its kabuto he should think exactly like shikamaru which is hard!
And it is the owner who knws da best about the limits of his techs! Thats another weakness of edotensei i guess! So we cant say itachi would win 4 sure, if it was nagato himself! Wht do u think friend?

 

[parathunder2]

Very few people can beat healthy nagato. and itachi ain't one of them

I do think that nagato is stronger than itachi,but when expressing ideas we should consider from their perspective too...otherwise they wont accept us whether its the truth or not! Jst read ma posts frm da begining friend, u'll see what im trying to say! I do lv nagato, but we should accept itachi is also strong wht do u think ?

 

[parathunder2]

According to databooks and info from the manga, Totsuka can seal 'anything' it pierces. So, if Itachi could close enough to the singularity (the "black dot"/"central orb") of Chibaku Tensei, he could, based on what we know, absorb it into the gourd of the Totsuka Blade like he would anything else.

Yeah may be!!! But this is what we can analyze from what we've seen ! Data books do give us an idea but they wont give the limit of the techniques until it is shown in the manga!! So I think itachi knew what he should do , wht we all do are assumptions, I agree with you on that, but don't you think theirs more than what the data books tell us! It may be able able to absorb anything but it may have limitations since itachi didn't use it, it may be the distance as you stated or it may be something else!!!! But itachi didn't risk to try that, so if we analyse what is shown to us in the data books and what we saw, the safest option is it may have limits!!! Don't you think so ?

 

[Gunjan]

ItAchi= ITa
Nagato=Na....

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