Itachi wasn't retconned

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You can see in these panels how Itachi's conflict with his clan went beyond some pointless test of his strength that he led Sasuke to believe.







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So Itachi is having major beef with his clan, and they can't persecute him because he's part of Anbu. So what is going on, Itachi is aware of the coup and is upset that his clan is going to throw away the well being of the village for the sake of their clan's pride. The capabilities he wants to test are his ability to silence his humanity and love for his clan in order to do what's best for the village as a whole. As you can see, besides his father, a lot of the clan members are nepotists who are salty about the Uchiha's history and current condition within the village, when he was given the orders to kill his clan that is what made most sense to him and you can see why in the manga.

The moral is exactly what Itachi says in these panels, "You forget what is most important to you because you cling to something small like your clan. True change cannot be made if it is bound by laws and limitations, predictions and imagination."

But even though Itachi is speaking some good shit, it's undeniable that his arrogant behavior is unlike him as Sasuke points out, because there's more to his change in behavior than just him being an ass ever since his story was conceived. Itachi was PISSED at his clan, he was not just obeying orders, and he did what he felt he needed to do. You see in times of ninja it isn't like modern society where hostile situations can be settled with riot squads and such, the Uchiha clan was a major threat to Konoha's society, unlike with Nagato and Obito who Naruto could snap out of their delusional world views by impressing them with his unrelenting will and optimism, the Uchiha clan's motives were founded on nepotism and pride, it wouldn't have worked that same, it was a more complex issue. You see him try to talk sense into them in those pages, they won't have it, so don't pretend like he was dead set on killing everyone you can see his inner conflict but it was hopeless. Then again, he's like 13-14? When you're faced with a situation like this at such a young age, you're not gonna get in some highly complex political debate to pacify the needs of an angry clan of shinobi, you're just gonna play it safe and kill them, it's as simple as that this was a time of uneasy alliances and death, not suburban america happy world.

What I'm saying is there was no retcon with Itachi, it was planned from the start for the slaughter to have been orchestrated by the higher ups and carried out by Itachi who had to shed his humanity to do what he felt was necessary and right. Those were the "limits" he spoke of, and yet he still cried while doing it. It's powerful stuff and most people who criticize it don't understand it.
 
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Who said he was retconned?
People on Naruto Forums think he was retconned and was intended to just be a black and white villain who was simply crazy. They clearly lack the ability to read between the lines and pick up on the more intricate workings of storytelling, perhaps they should read something more simple than Naruto so they don't frustrate themselves so much.
 

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If I am not mistaken, then Itachi was originally going to be a pure villain in the manga. Though Kishimoto had second thoughts while writing some parts of his character. Hence why Itachi never really shows any good sides prior to Shippuden, and why we never really see his reason for going to Konoha in Part 1. We only hear about it from Obito in Part 2. (In other words, his character altered in Part 2.)
 
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If I am not mistaken, then Itachi was originally going to be a pure villain in the manga. Though Kishimoto had second thoughts while writing some parts of his character. Hence why Itachi never really shows any good sides prior to Shippuden, and why we never really see his reason for going to Konoha in Part 1. We only hear about it from Obito in Part 2. (In other words, his character altered in Part 2.)
And clearly you didn't read my thread
 

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And clearly you didn't read my thread
Or maybe if you think for a moment, I did. Only that Kishimoto has said otherwise, and every bit of information in the manga puts it that way. When Itachi beat up Sasuke during Part 1, then he did so for no other reason than the fact that he could and to prove to Sasuke how much inferior he was. Which fits with his original statement that he only wanted to test himself. Infact, he only started to show some kindness some way into Part 2. (Which again fits with what I stated.) He could have kicked Sasuke and then just left him, but no he went out of his way to do it. Itachi was originally meant to be a villain, in the same manner as the Akatsuki was originally meant to be animals.
 

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Or maybe if you think for a moment, I did. Only that Kishimoto has said otherwise, and every bit of information in the manga puts it that way. When Itachi beat up Sasuke during Part 1, then he did so for no other reason than the fact that he could and to prove to Sasuke how much inferior he was. Which fits with his original statement that he only wanted to test himself. Infact, he only started to show some kindness some way into Part 2. (Which again fits with what I stated.) He could have kicked Sasuke and then just left him, but no he went out of his way to do it. Itachi was originally meant to be a villain, in the same manner as the Akatsuki was originally meant to be animals.
Because he wanted Sasuke to hate him and direct all his hatred toward him as a means to protect him from directing it toward Konoha or the world as previous Uchiha had. He was also very dedicated to preserving the authenticity of his role, that's why he used Tsukyomi on Kakashi, but did he kill him? No. No retcon here.
 
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You can see in these panels how Itachi's conflict with his clan went beyond some pointless test of his strength that he led Sasuke to believe.







etc...

So Itachi is having major beef with his clan, and they can't persecute him because he's part of Anbu. So what is going on, Itachi is aware of the coup and is upset that his clan is going to throw away the well being of the village for the sake of their clan's pride. The capabilities he wants to test are his ability to silence his humanity and love for his clan in order to do what's best for the village as a whole. As you can see, besides his father, a lot of the clan members are nepotists who are salty about the Uchiha's history and current condition within the village, when he was given the orders to kill his clan that is what made most sense to him and you can see why in the manga.

The moral is exactly what Itachi says in these panels, "You forget what is most important to you because you cling to something small like your clan. True change cannot be made if it is bound by laws and limitations, predictions and imagination."

But even though Itachi is speaking some good shit, it's undeniable that his arrogant behavior is unlike him as Sasuke points out, because there's more to his change in behavior than just him being an ass ever since his story was conceived. Itachi was PISSED at his clan, he was not just obeying orders, and he did what he felt he needed to do. You see in times of ninja it isn't like modern society where hostile situations can be settled with riot squads and such, the Uchiha clan was a major threat to Konoha's society, unlike with Nagato and Obito who Naruto could snap out of their delusional world views by impressing them with his unrelenting will and optimism, the Uchiha clan's motives were founded on nepotism and pride, it wouldn't have worked that same, it was a more complex issue. You see him try to talk sense into them in those pages, they won't have it, so don't pretend like he was dead set on killing everyone you can see his inner conflict but it was hopeless. Then again, he's like 13-14? When you're faced with a situation like this at such a young age, you're not gonna get in some highly complex political debate to pacify the needs of an angry clan of shinobi, you're just gonna play it safe and kill them, it's as simple as that this was a time of uneasy alliances and death, not suburban america happy world.

What I'm saying is there was no retcon with Itachi, it was planned from the start for the slaughter to have been orchestrated by the higher ups and carried out by Itachi who had to shed his humanity to do what he felt was necessary and right. Those were the "limits" he spoke of, and yet he still cried while doing it. It's powerful stuff and most people who criticize it don't understand it.
Well Hiruzen had it right "At the age of 7, Itachi had the same thinking that of a Hokage" He saw beyond his own clan and cared for the Leaf as much and probably more so then his own clan as he grew older and began to become smarter and hear of his own clans gripes of their clans treatement against them and such.

That is why Itachi is one of the greatest characters in this manga
 

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Well Hiruzen had it right "At the age of 7, Itachi had the same thinking that of a Hokage" He saw beyond his own clan and cared for the Leaf as much and probably more so then his own clan as he grew older and began to become smarter and hear of his own clans gripes of their clans treatement against them and such.

That is why Itachi is one of the greatest characters in this manga
Agreed
 

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Itachi did what he had to do. He decided to go through hell to save his village and innocent people.
He is the one thing in the Manga that is perfect and never has been ruined by Kishi. Props to him for that.

Itachi ftw!
 
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