Itachi vs Zabuza and current Kakashi

[Haizaki]

Not sure if people are serious with this explosive clones being able to dispel the mist.

Gari( someone who specializes explosion release) used Jiraiken and yet couldn't clear up the mist at all.

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Not to mention that mist wasn't as thick as the previous one used against Kakashi. Even so, This guy can simply make it even thicker.

 

[Minato namikaze123]

itachi negg diffs..

 

[LustyLover]

Not sure if people are serious with this explosive clones being able to dispel the mist.

Gari( someone who specializes explosion release) used Jiraiken and yet couldn't clear up the mist at all.

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Not to mention that mist wasn't as thick as the previous one used against Kakashi. Even so, This guy can simply make it even thicker.

That explosion is ten times smaller than the one I proposed and Itachi can make dozens more.

 

[Lariatoo]

Itachi low, low diff...
He is a high kage level, while current Kakashi and Zabuza are Jonins...
Hell, even 3 tomoe Itachi have a good shot... :/

 

[Eternal Sage]

Zabuza doesn't even have time to put up mist before he gets neg diffed
base kakashi proceeds to shit his pants since he knows what's going to happen.

Kakashi has no way of seeing in the mist, even if zabuza does use it

 

[Icelerate]

If Zabuza uses hidden mist, Kakashi will be at an even bigger disadvantage than Itachi considering sharingan Kakashi had troubles with the mist so non sharingan Kakashi has even bigger problems. Itachi's showed great reflexes and instincts so even in the mist, he isn't going down especially since Zabuza and Kakashi have to come close to finish Itachi off but when they do, Itachi uses ribcage susanoo and proceeds to take them down.

Itachi takes this with approximately low-mid difficulty.

 

[Mellanoma]

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This is a great come back however it is based off of the fact that Kakashi has his sharingan prowess. Without sharingan...

Kakashi cna no longer distinguish between Exploding Bushin and the Real Itachi
Kakashi can no longer keep up with Itachi hand seal speed which saved him in the past
Kakashi can no longer withstand Itachi's lower level genjutsu which doesn't require Eye Contact (Dusk clones, Finger gen, Ethreal
Kakashi can no longer keep up with ITachi in Taijutsu
KAkashi can no longer keep up with Itachi in Speed (Itachi fought Killer bee AND KCM Naruto and was able to not only move quicker but also dodge effortlessly while succesfully attacking them)


Hidden Mist is a great ability however since Kakashi lacks the sharingan he will be at an even greater disadvantage than both Itachi and Zabuza.

People also tend to forget that ITachi can also Tsukyomi blitz

Lastly I have not even mentioned

Susanoo
Amaterasu
Tsukyomi
Totsuka
Yata

 

[BenjerminGaye]

If Zabuza uses hidden mist, Kakashi will be at an even bigger disadvantage than Itachi considering sharingan Kakashi had troubles with the mist so non sharingan Kakashi has even bigger problems. Itachi's showed great reflexes and instincts so even in the mist, he isn't going down especially since Zabuza and Kakashi have to come close to finish Itachi off but when they do, Itachi uses ribcage susanoo and proceeds to take them down.

Itachi takes this with approximately low-mid difficulty.

Actually. Kakashi wouldn't have much if any problems in the mist. Not only has he delt with it 3 times, even in his Gaiden days he could track via smell, sound waves , and air currents. The only reason he had troubles the first time is cuz he had to cover for 4 ppl.

 

[Haizaki]

That explosion is ten times smaller than the one I proposed and Itachi can make dozens more. By the way, what mist? I see none. In fact, Zabuza wasn't even summoned multiple pages after that explosion was used.

Not at all. The point is the explosion couldn't clear the mist at all. There's nothing more to it...an exploding clone isn't going to clear the mist. Matter of fact, that would probably make things worse.

Did you say Zabuza wasn't summoned?

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This was the mist and you can see Gari next to it in the top left next to Zabuza. That whole section was surrounded and the mist wasn't as thick as the one against Kakashi.

If Zabuza uses hidden mist, Kakashi will be at an even bigger disadvantage than Itachi considering sharingan Kakashi had troubles with the mist so non sharingan Kakashi has even bigger problems. Itachi's showed great reflexes and instincts so even in the mist, he isn't going down especially since Zabuza and Kakashi have to come close to finish Itachi off but when they do, Itachi uses ribcage susanoo and proceeds to take them down.

Itachi takes this with approximately low-mid difficulty.

Not at all. Kakashi can simply use his nose. He already said it himself " When ears and eyes fail, use your nose"

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Beginning of Part 2 Kakashi was noted to have a better sense of smell than Kiba. He has his advantage here. I already explained how they can possibly deal with Itachi in the mist.

This is a great come back however it is based off of the fact that Kakashi has his sharingan prowess. Without sharingan...

Thanks but not having his sharingan won't be much of a hugee difference.

Kakashi cna no longer distinguish between Exploding Bushin and the Real Itachi

Kakashi even with his sharingan couldn't distinguish between clones. He couldn't differentiate between Deidara and his clone

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He has Obito's eyes and yet Obito couldn't differentiate between clones

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. It's only right that his sharingan doesn't enable Kakashi to do so as well.

Kakashi can no longer keep up with Itachi hand seal speed which saved him in the past

Yeah but it's not going to be a massive difference. He still retains his bodily movements but not his ability to see Itachi's movement beforehand. He has clones as well and Zabuza is there to assist with his own clones as well if it comes down to Taijutsu which won't be a factor here though.

Kakashi can no longer withstand Itachi's lower level genjutsu which doesn't require Eye Contact (Dusk clones, Finger gen, Ethreal

How? All his genjutsu require eye cntact. There's none in his own arsenal doesn't require eye contact.

Kakashi can no longer keep up with ITachi in Taijutsu

He can though. Even without his sharingan, Kakashi could still take on Gai even though that was a younger age. What I'm saying is it won't just be taijutsu alone.

KAkashi can no longer keep up with Itachi in Speed (Itachi fought Killer bee AND KCM Naruto and was able to not only move quicker but also dodge effortlessly while succesfully attacking them)

Naruto never tried to fight him. Matter of fact Naruto reacted to all his attacks with ease. Itachi tried to attack B and then Naruto intercepted him. If Naruto tried, that would be a different story. This is even sick Itachi which makes things worse.

Hidden Mist is a great ability however since Kakashi lacks the sharingan he will be at an even greater disadvantage than both Itachi and Zabuza.

- The sharingan never helped Kakashi in the mist.
- Kakashi has fang that can track Itachi from underground

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- Kakashi doesn't need them. He has a better sense of smell than Part 1 Kiba. He can track Itachi with his own nose.

People also tend to forget that ITachi can also Tsukyomi blitz

I don't know what you mean but I know for sure Tsukoyomi isn't hitting Kakashi with his ability to fight Itachi after learning from Gai. He has clone feints and can fight by looking at his feet and body movements.

Lastly I have not even mentioned

Susanoo
Amaterasu
Tsukyomi
Totsuka
Yata

The only factor here is Susanoo. Amaterasu can be countered by clones blocking Itachi's line of sight. In the mist, Itachi's vision would be blocked so Amaterasu won't be helpful
Tsukoyomi and finger genjutsu are both non factors. Zabuza closes his eyes in the mist

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. Zabuza can decide to appear and disappear in the mist by controlling the thickness. Seeing as he kept appearing and messing around with Kakashi.

Susanoo is a factor simply because it would defend him from every attack they have to offer. The problem here is how long can he hold it for in the mist?

Not to mention, Kakashi has the ability to attack from underground. He can use his lightning clone to attack Itachi and the second Itachi attacks it since he'll probably think it's the real Kakashi,

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GG

 

[ATD]

Itachi low, low diff...
He is a high kage level, while current Kakashi and Zabuza are Jonins...
Hell, even 3 tomoe Itachi have a good shot... :/

its not about ranks and tiers, the team has a lot against itachi and everybody just saying that itachi would win low diff without even thinking that the hidden mist would put itachi into a big disadvantage.

3T itachi would get beaten by current war arc kakashi alone.

 

[LustyLover]

Not at all. The point is the explosion couldn't clear the mist at all. There's nothing more to it...an exploding clone isn't going to clear the mist. Matter of fact, that would probably make things worse.

How wouldn't an explosion clear the mist? The waves caused by the explosions will blow the mist backwards. You can't compare a small explosion to a huge one. If one clone isn't enough, who's to say a dozen or even a hundred isn't? Do you realize just how big these explosions would be? Look back at the single clone exploding and then multiply that by a dozen or a hundred and tell me that you still believe the mist won't be cleared. I fail to see how it doesn't.

 

[Haizaki]

How wouldn't an explosion clear the mist? The waves caused by the explosions will blow the mist backwards. You can't compare a small explosion to a huge one. If one clone isn't enough, who's to say a dozen or even a hundred isn't? Do you realize just how big these explosions would be? Look back at the single clone exploding and then multiply that by a dozen or a hundred and tell me that you still believe the mist won't be cleared. I fail to see how it doesn't.

Eh let's not drag this if we don't agree. I don't think explosions would be clearing up the mist since Gari's explosion showed no sign of clearing any mist when it exploded. If so, it would have been a hint that it can. At least it's a good judgement on my path. Zabuza can use it again anyways but it won't be needed since I don't think explosions can.


-A dozen or hundred? I don't think so. That would be a lot of chakra. He has to split his chakra evenly among those clones and this is sick Itachi and we very well no Amaterasu, Tsukoyomi and Susanoo take a lot from him.

-He has never shown feats of being able to create more than 2 clones. Let's not give him, that.

-Itachi using hundreds or dozens would mean he's getting caught up in their range.

-There's also the fact that the explosions would definitely lead to a lost of smoke therefore hindering him and his vision considering even a little bit of smoke could hinder the rinnegan's vision

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[LustyLover]

Eh let's not drag this if we don't agree. I don't think explosions would be clearing up the mist since Gari's explosion showed no sign of clearing any mist when it exploded. If so, it would have been a hint that it can. At least it's a good judgement on my path. Zabuza can use it again anyways but it won't be needed since I don't think explosions can.

Gari's explosion is very different from Itachi's. It's destructive scale is much lower than Itachi's so I don't think it's right to make that comparison. It's like saying that since one paper bomb didn't kill someone Tobirama's Gojo Kibaku Fuda won't as well. It's not a reliable way to think.

A dozen or hundred? I don't think so. That would be a lot of chakra. He has to split his chakra evenly among those clones and this is sick Itachi and we very well no Amaterasu, Tsukoyomi and Susanoo take a lot from him.

Itachi used enough Amaterasu that was half the size of a stadium at the very least including a Tsukuyomi, all of which are more chakra taxing than Bunshins. Itachi simply doesn't use Amaterasu and or Tsukuyomi and instead transmits that chakra to the use Shadow Clones.

He has never shown feats of being able to create more than 2 clones. Let's not give him, that.

I'm not sure if you're serious here. Itachi can definitely use more than two shadow clones.

-Itachi using hundreds or dozens would mean he's getting caught up in their range.

He can protect himself with a ribcage or V2.

-There's also the fact that the explosions would definitely lead to a lost of smoke therefore hindering him and his vision considering even a little bit of smoke could hinder the rinnegan's vision

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The smoke doesn't contain chakra and the Sharingan can therefore see through it as it naturally sees the color of chakra. It wouldn't hinder his vision.


I should add that a Katon should be able to counter the mist. The heat of the flames will burn through the chakra particles contained within the mist and without the chakra the mist will not uphold. Zabuza can create more but that wouldn't happen before Itachi activates Genjutsu.

 

[Draegod]

Creating the mist over and over is not difficult! lmmfao Itachi would literally be wasting chakra over and over!

 

[dms_kakashi]

Kakashi and zabuza for sure

I just dont believe they overrate itachi to this level

 

[V h o]

Itachi Totsuka steam rolls.

 

[Shitenshin no jutsu]

Creating the mist over and over is not difficult! lmmfao Itachi would literally be wasting chakra over and over!

Except before the first one is cast they are dead or caught in genjutsu lol. Again, Itachi shits.

 

[Icelerate]

Actually. Kakashi wouldn't have much if any problems in the mist. Not only has he delt with it 3 times, even in his Gaiden days he could track via smell, sound waves , and air currents. The only reason he had troubles the first time is cuz he had to cover for 4 ppl.

How come he couldn't simply smell Zabuza out in the mist? He relied on his dogs to smell him out.

Creating the mist over and over is not difficult! lmmfao Itachi would literally be wasting chakra over and over!

That's not the problem but as soon as there is an opening/hole in the mist, Itachi would go on the offensive.

@Evani, I just need clarification on whether Kakashi used his scent to track Zabuza in the mist or not. I thought it was his dogs.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

How come he couldn't simply smell Zabuza out in the mist? He relied on his dogs to smell him out.

That's not the problem but as soon as there is an opening/hole in the mist, Itachi would go on the offensive.

@Evani, I just need clarification on whether Kakashi used his scent to track Zabuza in the mist or not. I thought it was his dogs.

Thats part 1 kakashi, part 2 kakashi was hyped to be greater than part 1 kiba who already fought under those conditions.

 

[Icelerate]

Thats part 1 kakashi, part 2 kakashi was hyped to be greater than part 1 kiba who already fought under those conditions.

This makes sense and I have to agree Kakashi can fight with his scent. I guess this would prove to be a more problematic fight, Itachi still wins but with mid difficulty.