[VS] Itachi Vs Six Paths of Pein

[AGoodBoy]

Just because it didn't seem larger or more outstanding in appearance doesn't mean it isn't actually stronger. Raikiri doesn't seem all that different from Chidori though by feats it has been portrayed as stronger.

what feats are those?

 

[Yolobito Swagchiha]

what feats are those?

For one, there's piercing through material stronger than diamond. Then there's piercing through three large boulders. There's more, but I'm kind of in a hurry right now.

 

[AGoodBoy]

For one, there's piercing through material stronger than diamond. Then there's piercing through three large boulders. There's more, but I'm kind of in a hurry right now.

What material stronger than diamond? If you mean domu, even chidori can do that. it's nature advantage.
3 boulders...? How is that a feat?

 

[Curse Mark]

Just because it didn't seem larger or more outstanding in appearance doesn't mean it isn't actually stronger. Raikiri doesn't seem all that different from Chidori though by feats it has been portrayed as stronger.

Smh then what could be stronger about the attacks when there's clearly no difference in size? If anything it's smaller.

 

[Yolobito Swagchiha]

Smh then what could be stronger about the attacks when there's clearly no difference in size? If anything it's smaller.

You're judging the power of an attack on size?

 

[Tarinth]

Sadly Itachi loses. He needs a much better stamina to actually pull off a win.

 

[Curse Mark]

You're judging the power of an attack on size?

Could you give me a list of attacks in Naruto that get stronger as they get smaller? I'm kind of stuck on things, i'm not really thinking too hard about it but I can't really think of any.

 

[Chie]

Itachi takes this but I can't really state a difficulty level.

-Manga fact that Pain's weakness is genjutsu

-Manga fact that all Pain's have linked vision.

One pain looking at Tsukuyomi = they all look at it.

Amaterasu = All pains are 1 shotted except for God and Ghost realm.

Agree with this. There is nothing to even suggest that Pain has a defense against Itachi's genjutsu. Shared vision makes things worse, considering that only one of them would have to look at Itachi & they would all see the same thing, thereby affecting the chakra in their brain. The only reason that only a few were affected by Jiraiya's Frog Song was because that was audible and the paths don't share hearing.

Alive Itachi takes this high-diff. U_U

 

[Yolobito Swagchiha]

Agree with this. There is nothing to even suggest that Pain has a defense against Itachi's genjutsu. Shared vision makes things worse, considering that only one of them would have to look at Itachi & they would all see the same thing, thereby affecting the chakra in their brain. The only reason that only a few were affected by Jiraiya's Frog Song was because that was audible and the paths don't share hearing.

Alive Itachi takes this high-diff. U_U

I made a thread regarding the Genjutsu topic in Naruto discussions.

 

[Chie]

I made a thread regarding the Genjutsu topic in Naruto discussions.

It was an interesting read and you made a good point about the paths not sharing chakra pools. However, since the rest of the paths would see the same thing due to sharing vision, I believe they would be affected by Tsukiyomi as well. We don't know if it needs a medium. All we know about Tsukiyomi is that if you see Itachi's eyes, you are caught in it, that's all. It was never stated that it only works on one individual at a time, Kakashi told both Asuma and Kurenai to avoid looking at Itachi's eyes, we'll never now if it can take multiple users at once or not. Also, Shikaku Nara/Ao stated that Itachi is the only shinobi they know of that can control multiple people w/ genjutsu from outside the range of sensors. Itachi does have genjutsu that can control multiple people (not sure if Tsukiyomi is one of them, but it could be).

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Pain mid difficulty. I'm not even sure why ppl r saying tsukuyomi works on the paths. They've been put into genjutsu b4 yet it had no effect on nagato or the other paths not under genjutsu. Look up ikibi's interrogation, or jman's sound gen. Only the targeted paths were effected. What would putting mental torture on a dead body do anyways? They don't feel pain. They don't have a brain they're just bodies being controlled

 

[Chie]

Pain mid difficulty. I'm not even sure why ppl r saying tsukuyomi works on the paths. They've been put into genjutsu b4 yet it had no effect on nagato or the other paths not under genjutsu. Look up ikibi's interrogation, or jman's sound gen.

They weren't affected by Jman's sound gen because they don't share hearing, they share vision. Nagato can see what the paths see, so it would affect him as well and then he would no longer be able to control the paths. Itachi has genjutsu that can work on more than one individual, at least according to Ao/Shikaku Nara.

 

[Braiyan]

The Paths do not share vision with each other. They are dead corpses reanimated with chakra. They can't share anything ... with each other. The only sharing going on is with the Paths and Nagato himself, and seeing how he is able to hold conversations through his Paths with other people, it is a safe bet to say that he can hear what his Paths hear as well as see what they see.

Yet the only Paths caught in Jiraiya's sound genjutsu were the 3 sent directly after him.

That proves a couple of things to me: the most important of which is that Nagato himself does not fall under any genjutsu that the Paths do. And why should he? Genjutsu takes over the chakra in the mind of the victim; the minds in this case being those of the Paths, whose chakra networks are reactivated by the chakra Nagato is broadcasting. Look at the description of what

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actually does to the opponent. You think Nagato would still be able to broadcast the chakra needed to talk through his Paths, as well as mobilise the other Paths, if his nerves and mind were paralyzed?

Then there's also the fact that the

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. Literally the only person who was able to trace Pain's chakra back to his source was Naruto in Sage Mode, and that was by stabbing himself with one of his chakra rods. By that logic (and the other fact that Nagato did not turn into stone as well when Preta Path did), it is apparent that Nagato does not receive any chakra back from the Paths, thus the chakra in his mind is not at risk of being taken over via his Paths as proxy, and thus he is not in danger of falling for the same genjutsu as his Paths.

With that said, Itachi is not likely to catch a Path in a genjutsu when 6+ pairs of eyes can study his movements quite well without needing to look in his eyes, whereas Animal Path summons could take the risk of looking in his eyes due to the fact that they can be dispelled easily. Even if one falls to genjutsu, Tsukuyomi is doing nothing to a Path/animal besides wasting chakra, Pain can break that Path/animal out of a non-Tsukuyomi genjutsu by simply

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himself, meaning he could very likely break finger genjutsu/weaker Sharingan genjutsu through his Paths.

Amaterasu gets absorbed with Preta Path, countered by Deva Path, or outright

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by an Animal Path summon, and burns slowly enough that Preta can just run up to another Path and absorb it. And Itachi will already start showing signs of fatigue if he has to use both Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi in the same match. Animal and Asura Path could just literally overwhelm Itachi with summons and missiles, and a routine assist from Deva/Preta until he dies.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

They weren't affected by Jman's sound gen because they don't share hearing, they share vision. Nagato can see what the paths see, so it would affect him as well and then he would no longer be able to control the paths. Itachi has genjutsu that can work on more than one individual, at least according to Ao/Shikaku Nara.

Nagato speaks and listens through the paths. If what you say is true the sound gen should have effected nagato as well. But it didn't. Ibiki interrogated pain via genjutsu through one of the paths yet not only did the paths not feel anything, the other paths didn't get put into genjutsu and nagato wasn't effected.

 

[Chie]

Nagato speaks and listens through the paths. If what you say is true the sound gen should have effected nagato as well. But it didn't. Ibiki interrogated pain via genjutsu through one of the paths yet not only did the paths not feel anything, the other paths didn't get put into genjutsu and nagato wasn't effected.

It is blatantly stated that the paths share vision and Nagato can see what they see. Nagato wasn't affected by Jman's genjutsu because he was out of range. It wouldn't make sense for Nagato to be able to hear what each of the paths is hearing all the at the same time. Perhaps he can choose which path he wants to speak/hear through at a time, I doubt it works the same way the vision does. Each of those corpses has a rinnegan and the vision is linked. Yes, using genjutsu on the paths themselves won't hurt them and only temporarily stop them, they are corpses and therefore cannot feel pain. The only way it would be worth anything is if it affects Nagato, which we don't know if it will in the case of Tsukiyomi or Itachi's other ocular gen. This battle can go either way and can depend on a multitude of "what-if" variables as well as location. It's not helping Pain's case that the OP set this battle in his village and therefore he cannot use more flashy techs. I just happen to think that Itachi could take this battle high-diff. That's all.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

It is blatantly stated that the paths share vision and Nagato can see what they see. Nagato wasn't affected by Jman's genjutsu because he was out of range. It wouldn't make sense for Nagato to be able to hear what each of the paths is hearing all the at the same time. Perhaps he can choose which path he wants to speak/hear through at a time, I doubt it works the same way the vision does. Each of those corpses has a rinnegan and the vision is linked. Yes, using genjutsu on the paths themselves won't hurt them and only temporarily stop them, they are corpses and therefore cannot feel pain. The only way it would be worth anything is if it affects Nagato, which we don't know if it will in the case of Tsukiyomi or Itachi's other ocular gen. This battle can go either way and can depend on a multitude of "what-if" variables as well as location. It's not helping Pain's case that the OP set this battle in his village and therefore he cannot use more flashy techs. I just happen to think that Itachi could take this battle high-diff. That's all.

I never denied his shared vision. I said just because they share vision it doesn't mean they will be effected by tsukuyomi. It's blatantly obvious that they share sound as well or in the very least nagato hears everything his paths hear yet he wasn't effected by the sound gen. You stating he can turn it off and on is an assumption based on nothing. Not to mention that tsukuyomi targets the chakra in victims mind and controls it but it would be pointless to even attempt such a thing since the paths are basically puppets being controlled remotely by rods. Even worse is the fact that it's near impossible to trace the chakra back to nagato despite him actively transmitting to them. So it doesn't swing both ways. Itachi's chakra isn't going to fly back up the chakra rods to effect nagato. Or any of the other pains for that matter.

 

[Chie]

I never denied his shared vision. I said just because they share vision it doesn't mean they will be effected by tsukuyomi. It's blatantly obvious that they share sound as well or in the very least nagato hears everything his paths hear yet he wasn't effected by the sound gen. You stating he can turn it off and on is an assumption based on nothing. Not to mention that tsukuyomi targets the chakra in victims mind and controls it but it would be pointless to even attempt such a thing since the paths are basically puppets being controlled remotely by rods. Even worse is the fact that it's near impossible to trace the chakra back to nagato despite him actively transmitting to them. So it doesn't swing both ways. Itachi's chakra isn't going to fly back up the chakra rods to effect nagato. Or any of the other pains for that matter.

Well then, if Itachi can use a genjutsu to incapacitate the paths (I'm aware it won't hurt them, but just to stop them for a few moments), he could pull out the rods. He has genjutsu that can control several individuals according to Ao and Shikaku Nara.

 

[MinatoFLASH]

it's all one mind.. Itachi can easily capture one of them in genjutsu and shoot ametarasu. They can't dodge amaterasu.. only one path can absorb it. The rest arent known for speed and are very vunerable to genjutsu. Itachi wins probably without even having to use susanoo.

 

[MinatoFLASH]

I never denied his shared vision. I said just because they share vision it doesn't mean they will be effected by tsukuyomi. It's blatantly obvious that they share sound as well or in the very least nagato hears everything his paths hear yet he wasn't effected by the sound gen. You stating he can turn it off and on is an assumption based on nothing. Not to mention that tsukuyomi targets the chakra in victims mind and controls it but it would be pointless to even attempt such a thing since the paths are basically puppets being controlled remotely by rods. Even worse is the fact that it's near impossible to trace the chakra back to nagato despite him actively transmitting to them. So it doesn't swing both ways. Itachi's chakra isn't going to fly back up the chakra rods to effect nagato. Or any of the other pains for that matter.

Even if this is true.. they dont have any counter for amatarasu. Too fast and powerful. They all burn forever and Pain wont be able to shinra tensei it because he wouldnt know it's coming. it's nearly instant. only absorbing path may be able to get the flames off him but all his buddies would be dead and burning forever and he would die with ease against Itachi's normal ninjutsu/taijutsu skills.

Also Itachi has decent stamina. Against Sasuke.. he not only shot big fire balls, black flames, tsukyomi, but also activated susanoo and sealed Oro all while he was so extremely sick that he was near dying stage. He is also a genius and would figure out what to do against Pein rather quickly. I dont think Pain can win this.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Well then, if Itachi can use a genjutsu to incapacitate the paths (I'm aware it won't hurt them, but just to stop them for a few moments), he could pull out the rods. He has genjutsu that can control several individuals according to Ao and Shikaku Nara.

How would he even know that the rods transmit chakra? He didn't get intel. Nor does he see chakra going to or leaving the rods.

@ Minato FLASH he's in the same situation as jman if he ama the first three paths the outer (ithink it's that one) path will restore their bodies and then all 6 murder him.