Itachi vs shiui

[Joki]

open his eye?
No , First he has to activate kotoamatsuki, then i believe close/open his eyes
KB? and yes he is.. If itachi could do handseals and create a clone in the midst of a shruiken throwout, without sasuke even seeing 1 handseal, then ofc he can

Riiiiight. And Hashirama can't clap his hands together before Itachi does the same.

REALLY? EASILY? HOW? please go ahead
list how shishui is going to beat down itachi's clones

which all have the capability of exploding if he gets into a taijutsu fight
do note that

Exploding Kage Bunshin are not the same as regular Kage bunshin. Alright, simple kunai would take them out if need be or a taijutsu match since each clone Itachi makes he halves his chakra. Kakashi reacted to, sensed and dodged the exploding kage bunshin anyway so no biggie.

And why would he be an idiot to make more than 2 clones?
Crow clones take much less chakra than normal shadow clones, since it uses crows as a medium..
try again?

Because each clone splits chakra in 1/2, we already know at 30% the guy can't even activate MS so with any more than 2 clones he's pretty limited, and when Shisui takes out 2 simple Kage Bunshin he'll end up victim to KA

Crow clones? That's fine, because they won't split your chakra evenly the MS should be able to tell the difference just fine, so KA.
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COLOR="Yellowgreen"]Great, do you know why he was called that? Do you know if it was for his speed? or that he did it in a flashy way? do you know if he had his own specific method of shunshin'ing?

Nope, but why debate matches on characters like Shisui/Hashirama if they have pretty much no screentime? It's pretty ridiculous to see you admit you'd openly say that Sakura would beat Rikudou Sage in a fight because we "can't assume"

You know nothing about it, not to mention is he casting ka here or using shunshin? you do realise that in this time itachi could be making clones?[/COLOR]

..and wasting his chakra? Fine by Shisui

 

[Owarij]

Exploding Kage Bunshin are not the same as regular Kage bunshin. Alright, simple kunai would take them out if need be or a taijutsu match since each clone Itachi makes he halves his chakra. Kakashi reacted to, sensed and dodged the exploding kage bunshin anyway so no biggie.

Go ahead and prove that bs statement

Because each clone splits chakra in 1/2, we already know at 30% the guy can't even activate MS so with any more than 2 clones he's pretty limited, and when Shisui takes out 2 simple Kage Bunshin he'll end up victim to KA

Crow clones? That's fine, because they won't split your chakra evenly the MS should be able to tell the difference just fine, so KA.

Also it's been proven that clones can make clones

so if itachi makes 1 clone, that clone can make another , thus 25% split, and another , 12.5 %
Leaving the original itachi with his 50% still

 

[Joki]

Go ahead and prove that bs statement

Ok, chapter 142 and 2nd DB, it's not a Kage Bunshin it's a separate clone entirely used to mimic one so your opponent attacks and it explodes. Kakashi and his sharingan saw through it, sharingan can't decipher regular KB because their chakra is split evenly. So Itachi tries this, Shisui knows who to KA after that.

Also it's been proven that clones can make clones

so if itachi makes 1 clone, that clone can make another , thus 25% split, and another , 12.5 %
Leaving the original itachi with his 50% still

That's great, one clone still has to poof to appear so while that one appears Shisui can use KA on the real Itachi, the other one won't have time to both appear and make more clones before Itachi gets a chance to do anything

Unless you want to claim that Itachi's Kage Bunshin can appear faster than other people's Kage Bunshin, lol.

 

[Owarij]

Ok, chapter 142 and 2nd DB, it's not a Kage Bunshin it's a separate clone entirely used to mimic one so your opponent attacks and it explodes. Kakashi and his sharingan saw through it, sharingan can't decipher regular KB because their chakra is split evenly. So Itachi tries this, Shisui knows who to KA after that.



That's great, one clone still has to poof to appear so while that one appears Shisui can use KA on the real Itachi, the other one won't have time to both appear and make more clones before Itachi gets a chance to do anything

Unless you want to claim that Itachi's Kage Bunshin can appear faster than other people's Kage Bunshin, lol.

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Unless you want to claim that Itachi's Kage Bunshin can appear faster than other people's Kage Bunshin, lol

That's exactly the case.. his handseals are faster, so ofc it's going to appear faster

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Ok, chapter 142 and 2nd DB, it's not a Kage Bunshin it's a separate clone entirely used to mimic one so your opponent attacks and it explodes. Kakashi and his sharingan saw through it, sharingan can't decipher regular KB because their chakra is split evenly. So Itachi tries this, Shisui knows who to KA after that.

Databook says nothing about them being weaker what so ever.. they are actual kage bunshins, that explode.. that's all

Luring the target in, using a "Shadow Clone¹" as bait

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[Joki]

That's exactly the case.. his handseals are faster, so ofc it's going to appear faster

No, his handseals can be fast. The "poof!" is the same speed as any other shinobi's Kage Bunshin

Databook says nothing about them being weaker what so ever.. they are actual kage bunshins, that explode.. that's all
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So Kakashi's Raiton Bunshin is just a Kage Bunshin with its own jutsu called "Raiton Bunshin" that makes it burst with electricity instead of simply poofing? And as I said, Kakashi saw through and avoided the attack and even got Kurenai away, if anything "one of the most skilled Uchiha" should have no problem doing the same assuming he doesn't just KA Itachi from the start which for some reason doesn't work

 

[Owarij]

No, his handseals can be fast. The "poof!" is the same speed as any other shinobi's Kage Bunshin

Urm, the entire process of itachi making handseals is faster than others.. don't you get that ?

So Kakashi's Raiton Bunshin is just a Kage Bunshin with its own jutsu called "Raiton Bunshin" that makes it burst with electricity instead of simply poofing? And as I said, Kakashi saw through and avoided the attack and even got Kurenai away, if anything "one of the most skilled Uchiha" should have no problem doing the same assuming he doesn't just KA Itachi from the start which for some reason doesn't work

And even if shishui can see through it? point? it's still a kage bunshin, with the ability to explode

 

[Joki]

Urm, the entire process of itachi making handseals is faster than others.. don't you get that ?


And even if shishui can see through it? point? it's still a kage bunshin, with the ability to explode

How does handseals relate to the Kage Bunshin appearing? The only thing he can do is form the hand seals faster than others, doesn't mean the kage bunshin will appear faster than anyone else's, plenty of time for KA

Well, he'll know who to use KA on so...point

 

[Tazzilla88]

I'd have to go with Shisui here.
His hype puts as faster than Itachi. "Shisui of the body flicker"
His hype also puts him as the best genjutsu user of the Uchiha clan

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The real questions are intelligence, taijutsu., and Susanoo (He had two MS eyes with KA. )

 

[Owarij]

How does handseals relate to the Kage Bunshin appearing? The only thing he can do is form the hand seals faster than others, doesn't mean the kage bunshin will appear faster than anyone else's, plenty of time for KA

Well, he'll know who to use KA on so...point

wtf? if the poof takes 2 secs, and itachi's handseals take 1 second
that's 3 seconds..

Ninja 2's poof takes 2 secs and handseals 5 secs, who's clone comes out faster?..


That's great, kage bunshin 1/2 his chakra, then use that kage bunshin to make another, 3 clones..

 

[Owarij]

I'd have to go with Shisui here.
His hype puts as faster than Itachi. "Shisui of the body flicker"
His hype also puts him as the best genjutsu user of the Uchiha clan

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The real questions are intelligence, taijutsu., and Susanoo (He had two MS eyes with KA. )

Intelligence itachi most likely trumps
Taijutsu idk
Susanno? he doesn't have..according to databook amaterasu and susanno are needed

 

[Joki]

wtf? if the poof takes 2 secs, and itachi's handseals take 1 second
that's 3 seconds..

Ninja 2's poof takes 2 secs and handseals 5 secs, who's clone comes out faster?..


That's great, kage bunshin 1/2 his chakra, then use that kage bunshin to make another, 3 clones..

Yeah, the poof takes 2 seconds, it doesn't matter how long the hand seal is. Point is, you still have to wait the same time for them to appear so Konohamaru's "poofing" faster than Itachi's is impossible and vice versa. Sure he makes the hand seal fast enough but when the other's still on the level of every other ninja Shisui has plenty of time to activate 1 MS tech.

You knopw what the logical thing to do would be right? Shisui sees that 1 clone is making more clones, he'd know those are the clones because Itachi would stay at 50% while the others decrease as they make more, simple KA right there.

 

[Blaze Release]

Nobody knows who will win, but going by shiusi's rep he is no fodder. Ill go with itachi though because at a young age him along with shisui were hailed as geniuses even among a clan of geniuses, but at this time shisui was older than itachi and yet he more or less stood equal to him. Shisui was not only like a big brother to itachi he was also his sensei and this is where i believe itachi learnt his genjutsu prowess and shunshin ability, since funny enough shisui commands nicknames for mastery of both these techniques. But you see shisui has been surpassed, whilst itachi was more or less equal to him when he was alive, itachi has grown significantly stronger, but also know's his sensei's techniques very well to provide a good counter.

The question is does shisui know of itachi's ms techniques?, the answer is no

 

[-Vegeta-]

Unless you restrict KA then there's nothing left to debate.

 

[obscoral]

itachi is too smart to fell in KA
he himself has tsuku so he kinda knows how to avoid a genjutsu
amaterasu wont hit shunshin master
thou susano should do a trick
so i go with itachi

 

[NarutoKage2]

Shisui, the guy in my avatar could control people w/o them noticing and put you in genjutsu and he does'nt need eye contact like Itachi(doryuuko).

 

[yuan of cruxis]

KA cant really make some commit suicide
It depends on what the person is thinking
And KA doesnt erase your memories, it only gives you false memories along with yours

And KA is close range

Itachi isnt a close range fighter
Itachi is possibly equal or faster than Shisui
Plus Itachi is more intelligent from what we know
Nothing was really said on how smart Shisui was
Itachi wins med to high difficulty

 

[Ryuu..]

If KA is allowed then I believe there is only one winner, especially if he uses Body flicker to get close to Itachi.

 

[Bogard]

For those who belive Itachi win, i will just ask one thing. How does Itachi miraculously counter KA?

 

[Owarij]

For those who belive Itachi win, i will just ask one thing. How does Itachi miraculously counter KA?

For anyone who knows that shishui has KA, they do what kakashi did.. fight with clones , if sharingan can't differentiate between the two, he'd be taking a 25% risk on hitting the real one

 

[Bogard]

For anyone who knows that shishui has KA, they do what kakashi did.. fight with clones , if sharingan can't differentiate between the two, he'd be taking a 25% risk on hitting the real one

Why 25%? It's 50% since Itachi uses only 1clone generally, and it's not even good if he does that cuz it splits his chakra in 2, and knowing how Itachi's chakra is not that huge normally it would be difficult during the rest of the fight. Don't also forget Shisui has KA in both eyes, so he can actually use 2KA at once to be sure to hit the real one.