Itachi VS Sasuke

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Now people may hate on me but let me elaborate here...

I do believe it would be a VERY close fight but! Itachi wins in my book mainly do to a few factors.

1. Itachi is more experienced in Taijutsu than Sasuke giving him the upper hand when things get close and personal

2. I think that Itachi is proficient enough with Genjutsu, that he would either use a jutsu Sasuke can't escape from like Izanami or he could even keep Sasuke in Tsukyomi if he WANTED to regardless of his Sharningan or EMS.

3. Itachi is vastly more intelligent and tactical than Sasuke and can analyze things and make quick decisions on his feet way more efficiently.

4. If this a battle at maximum potential and skill meaning Itachi is healthy, not blind and not sentimental, then again this gives him the upper hand.

5.One stab from the Totsuka blade and Sasuke is done, also the Yata Mirror is impervious to everything which overall means Itachi has a stronger Susanoo than Sasuke does, and is more experienced with it.
 
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Itachi is smarter,

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because Itachi is smarter and has a stronger Susano'o doesn't automatically give him victory over Sasuke. You have not given me a very good argument.
 

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Now people may hate on me but let me elaborate here...

I do believe it would be a VERY close fight but! Itachi wins in my book mainly do to a few factors.

1. Itachi is more experienced in Taijutsu than Sasuke giving him the upper hand when things get close and personal

2. I think that Itachi is proficient enough with Genjutsu, that he would either use a jutsu Sasuke can't escape from like Izanami or he could even keep Sasuke in Tsukyomi if he WANTED to regardless of his Sharningan or EMS.

3. Itachi is vastly more intelligent and tactical than Sasuke and can analyze things and make quick decisions on his feet way more efficiently.

4. If this a battle at maximum potential and skill meaning Itachi is healthy, not blind and not sentimental, then again this gives him the upper hand.

5.One stab from the Totsuka blade and Sasuke is done, also the Yata Mirror is impervious to everything which overall means Itachi has a stronger Susanoo than Sasuke does, and is more experienced with it.
Now THIS!!!!! Is a VALID Itachi arguement!!! Itachi Wankers. . . TAKE TIPS!!!!!
However, I saw a couple of flaws in your arguement. Itachi's Tsukuyomi is not very effective against Sasuke. His Tsukuyomi broke to Sasuke's 3 Tomoe Sharingan with willpower backing it up. Sasuke now has EMS, which is a superior Dojutsu to Itachi's MS. Now in terms of proficiency, that means nothing. However, the eye WILL give Sasuke more resistance against Tsukuyomi. More to the resistance that already broke Tsukuyomi once.

The Totsuka blade is not actually a flaw, but the way you ssid it was so casual, it seemed as if you pretty much thought he would whip out Totsuka and be done with the battle. But that could just be Daisy misreading the post.

But anyway, Plus Reputation for the amazing post and arguement! I don't agree with your decision, but I'm staying neutral on this one. Only providing commentary and ambiguous insight. ^_^
 

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I have to go with Itachi. Even though EMS > MS, but it's Sasuke who is using EMS, an amateur, not someone like Madara.

Itachi has more battle experience, more knowledge, is smarter, has spiritual weapons, from what we have seen his Katon is stronger than Sasukes, if it comes to that Itachi knows forbidden Uchiha Jutsus.

Sasuke is an amateur Uchiha compared to those like Madara or Obito, so don't use their Sharingan abilities as it is Sasukes ( Cause a lot of fanboys actually do that ).
 

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Now THIS!!!!! Is a VALID Itachi arguement!!! Itachi Wankers. . . TAKE TIPS!!!!!
However, I saw a couple of flaws in your arguement. Itachi's Tsukuyomi is not very effective against Sasuke. His Tsukuyomi broke to Sasuke's 3 Tomoe Sharingan with willpower backing it up. Sasuke now has EMS, which is a superior Dojutsu to Itachi's MS. Now in terms of proficiency, that means nothing. However, the eye WILL give Sasuke more resistance against Tsukuyomi. More to the resistance that already broke Tsukuyomi once.

The Totsuka blade is not actually a flaw, but the way you ssid it was so casual, it seemed as if you pretty much thought he would whip out Totsuka and be done with the battle. But that could just be Daisy misreading the post.

But anyway, Plus Reputation for the amazing post and arguement! I don't agree with your decision, but I'm staying neutral on this one. Only providing commentary and ambiguous insight. ^_^
Lol thanks much appreciated and ya I know he would not whip Totsuka out and end it there but if things got heated and it came down to life or death he definitely would. Also thanks for the rep! :)
 

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Doesn't Itachi kno the forbidden techniques izanimi(I think thats what its called) and izanagi. Itachi wins even without those sorry sasuke.
Izanami is almost impossible to use against the level of opponent he'd need it for, and Izanagi will only save Itachi's life one time and leave him without two MS jutsus.

I dont see Sasuke winning this..not that he wont its just that I cannot see it.

Itachi has an invincible susanoo and from we have seen Sasuke does not. When it comes down to susanoo vs susanoo...Itachi wins. Itachi can also manipulate time in his genjutsu and not to mention is intelligence is above Sasuke's as well. So is his battle experience. His intelligence is clearly superior (not saying sasuke isnt smart). Itachi was said to think like a hokage at age 7. He mastered the sharingan at age 8, was captain of anbu at 13 and soon annilated his entire clan around that age. Sasuke was unable to master that sharingan until at least 13 (around when Itachi was able to kill the entire clan) not to mention the villlage heads trusted a boy to carry out such an impossible mission. This is proof Itachi was exceptionally gifted in intelligence. Combine that with a superior susanoo and genjutsu there is no way Sasuke could kill a healthy Itachi with the intent to kill. Or at least from what we've seen he cannot.

Itachi wins with 4-5 difficulty
Itachi's Susanoo isn't invincible.

Itachi thinking like a Hokage just means that he was concerned about the village and it's people when the other kids were playing around.

Mastery of the Sharingan does not display one's capability: Obito became a Chuunin without a Sharingan, something Itachi can't attest to. Madara was also taking out elite Senju ninjas without a Sharingan at a young age, Itachi can't attest to that either.

Itachi didn't attack his clan head-on, he ambushed them by surprise, especially since he was the last one any of them expected to attack them. He also needed Tobi's help, he couldn't had done it alone. Old Hiruzen and Danzo without mods were capable of taking out the Uchiha head-on.

Healthy Itachi does not exist in the context that you're using, and is just pure fanfiction anyway.
Amaterasu/Tsukiyomi degrades the eyes, Susanoo degrades the body. The effects are permanent and only reversible by EMS.
And yes, Susanoo degenerates the body. Sasuke was using a partial Susanoo and was complaining about how every cell in his body hurt, he was staggering, and he was coughing up blood; he also wondered what it was like for Itachi whom had mastered Susanoo. The databook also said that Susanoo drains the user's life away, that's the cost of using it. So "Healthy Itachi" is either Itachi without MS, or he's still a novice with MS.

Now people may hate on me but let me elaborate here...

I do believe it would be a VERY close fight but! Itachi wins in my book mainly do to a few factors.

1. Itachi is more experienced in Taijutsu than Sasuke giving him the upper hand when things get close and personal

2. I think that Itachi is proficient enough with Genjutsu, that he would either use a jutsu Sasuke can't escape from like Izanami or he could even keep Sasuke in Tsukyomi if he WANTED to regardless of his Sharningan or EMS.

3. Itachi is vastly more intelligent and tactical than Sasuke and can analyze things and make quick decisions on his feet way more efficiently.

4. If this a battle at maximum potential and skill meaning Itachi is healthy, not blind and not sentimental, then again this gives him the upper hand.

5.One stab from the Totsuka blade and Sasuke is done, also the Yata Mirror is impervious to everything which overall means Itachi has a stronger Susanoo than Sasuke does, and is more experienced with it.
2. Itachi hasn't shown the ability to do that, Sasuke has also broken Tsukiyomi. And Sasuke has been hit by it full-force twice before and never noted that it was any weaker the third time.

3. "Vastly"? I don't see how.

4. "Healthy Itachi" cannot and does not exist, he's fanfiction. Read what I said above.

5. One stab from any sword and it's done, Totsuka isn't special... it also has to actually hit Sasuke. Yata can only block in one direction, so if Sasuke can set up a feint he could get past it. Sasuke could also try to wrest Totsuka and Yata from Itachi's Susanoo, they aren't connected to it. Yata also has a potential weakness, the databook implied that it only stops one attack at a time, so Sasuke could launch two different attacks.
 
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It's Itachi masturbatory effect at full force, yet again. Itachi is not wining this fight on the ground of having MS alone. MS drains the chakra at an incredible rate and Sussano'o will just add to the drain and sap with double the effect, as both MSs' will be in use. He will not be able to maintain his CS for long, as Sasuke couldn't maintain his ribs and incomplete form for more than a few minutes. Sasuke simply outclasses him with EMS. The only advantage Itachi truly has is Tsukuyomi, which is rendered completely useless by Sasuke. Whereas Sasuke's Amaterasu control is incredible. He can shower Itachi with a barrage of Magatama and Enton arrows to break his Susano'o apart, the second it climbs down from CS, which won't be longer than a few minutes.

This Itachi is vastly superior point is pure rubbish and we all are well aware of it. When it comes to On the fly decisions and quick silver responses, Sasuke has consistently shown to be the better manipulator and analyzer. By and by, Itachi is completely outclassed here. Sasuke wins low diff or mid difference by a long stretch without breaking a sweat.
 

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Itachi wins, tbh.
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I interpret it as the author affirming the readers that Itachi is stratospheres >>>>> MS Obito.

Itachi possesses immaculate illusory skills, spiritual tools, and an overall fundamentally better skillset, and physical strats. To be specific, his speed is grossly undermined when he could acclimate the features extrapolated below; not to mention the fact that an exorbitant skill degree in casting illusions implicits that this incarnation of Obito, stands absolutely no chance against Itachi, like literally none. The exact reason why this would be case is that illusory abilities are spiritual, the latter can't really ghost phase through them, which is probably why he chronically feared a hypothetical bout with MS Itachi—not to mention the spirit items that he has under his belt, something that's intrinsically linked to his illusory abilities technically — therein, it could be extrapolated that he wouldn't bypass such spiritual items with Kāmui.

Obito consigning Pēin to pillage the Leaf only after Itachi's death (ie., Obito concretely knew that Itachi planned to orchestrate the fight between him, and Sasuke Uchiha, than meet his Maker in that battle simulation like implicited by his back & forth with Sasuke Uchiha in that hideout), and failing to trounce the strongest village on the earth; ie., the Leaf, for straight 18 years implies that there is definitively an entity who pulled the strings beneath the surface area, and that is definitively Itachi Uchiha like exemplified by his inferiority statements, and concrete physical implications. If he was truly stronger than Itachi, then he wouldn't have needed to wait it out for such a long ass time. On the flip-side however — the latter not actively exchanging in an extended bout with the former can be rationalized as him not feeling like doin' it—as the author consistently alludes to the fact that Itachi didn't like fighting, and that he was an innate pacifist who got traumatized by the cycle of warfare that was rampant on earth from the time that he was a little child.

This doesn't apply to Obito; however, as he had every intention to make the Gedø Mazóu eat the Jinchūūriki Chakras to transfigurate a Watered Down Jūūbi like exemplified in the War Arc.

Itachi has a near infinite ways to kill MS Obito.

  • HQ 80,000 Fourth World War Shinobi Alliance Acolytes' Puppet Mind Controlling Exorbitant Illusory Skills
  • The Sword Of Totsuka + Mirror Of Yata
  • Explosive Tricky Chakra Bunshins; that not even Elite Dójūtsu Applicants like 3T Kakashi couldn't perceptively penetrate.
  • MS Techniques like Tsókóyomi and Amaterasu (which cannonically exterminated him from the scene — ie., required a most powerful illusory spell like Izānagi to bypass — striking the fact that Itachi himself utilizing that ability would be stratospheres more powerful by virtue of the whole "An Experienced Castor >>>>> A Novice" line of logicality.
  • Magnificent Immaculate Speed Features that exceeds anything Jūūbi Jinchūuriki Obito has accomplished in this series, let alone MS Obito.
  • Supplementally — a key fact that is often overlooked is that Obito can only spiritualize the part of his body that is preconceived to be stricken with an offensive attack — IE., he can't warp the entire physique if he wants to acclimate offensive damage on the enemy which implies that Itachi can twirl kunais and shurikens in his blind spots to to take him off-guard like he accomplished against a Quasi Prime ET Nagato; whom Obito admitted inferiority to—on 2 different occasions.
Even characters like Hashirama are susceptible to such supplemental damage — Therein; arguably, Obito doesn't fare any better in this battle simulation hypothetically.
 
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