Itachi vs Nagato.

[SilverSlick]

Rinnegan>MS, anyday.

 

[Wallcrawler]

Ok. let remove rinnegan from nagato and sharingan from itachi ! nagato's ass will be kicked
nagato i think is just a crybaby who was gifted this powerful eye but couldn't do the job right !
he was supposed to bring peace but you know what he did !

Nagato would still own Itachi if neither had Dojutsu!!

All 5 element mastery's and the body of the sage. Not to mention his massive amount of chakra! >>>>>>>>>Itachi any day!

 

[db3st]

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[NarutoDKurosaki]

Nice matchup and I think it would be a great battle! I can't decide who would win because it would be a real close battle +rep!

 

[Anub]

bold part is your reality.

but facts says nagato>itachi anyday.

what facts? The only FACTS that can be used is that an edo itachi managed to stop and edo nagato with help from others. That's the only real connection between them. the rinnegan>sharingan BS is a fact in itself, but not a fact in the sense that ANY rinnegan user> ANY sharingan user. There are more variables to that ecuation.

Nagato defeats Itachi No difficulty.

Nagato flies to a mountain and uses Chibaku tensie.

Itachi flies to Namek and summons the dragon and gets a brand new pair of sunglasses to help him win this with no diff, but also with style.

 

[ElectricClover]

I can't believe this same thread keeps coming up and then it still gets 20 pages on it every time. Kishi made a mistake not showing this battle and ending this crap once and for all.

 

[Vexorian]

I want a serious discussion. If people troll, it's not my fault.



Is that why Nagato is in Itachi's gourd? Hmm. Tsukuyomi > Nagato. And wow dude, you didn't even watch it :sy:

I've seen it. But the fact is, he would have used Amaterasu in the manga if it would destroy Chibaku Tensei. Also, Tsukiyomi > Nagato may or may not be true, but he's been shown to be proficient in genjutsu. The vision of the paths may be linked, but it's only a one target genjutsu. All he has to do is simply disconnect himself from it, and who is to say that he couldn't either prevail over the genjutsu until Itachi wears himself out, or break it entirely? Too many unknowns. That Nagato in Itachi's gourd is a troll comment and you know it. The only facts we have are that Itachi loses in ALL areas of combat except genjutsu, emphasis on ALL of them, including both experience and stamina. Sorry, but this one's been worn out.

 

[icedonkey]

dear lord not another one of these threads :sy:

I believe that nagato would win, hell the 6 paths of pein would win.
Also what nagato are you talking about 6 paths of pein, burnt legs nagato thats not skinny in his machine, prime nagato(not skinny, good legs), prime nagato with 6 paths along side him? I would love to explain in detail
but I need to know more of what you mean.

Also if worst got to worst what's stopping nagato/ pein from just using Chibaku Tensei?( not saying he even needs to, also not saying he would steam roll Itachi far from it) unless of course, in the case your talking about, Itachi is edo and can spam Yasaka Magatama.

 

[Vexorian]

This. If he can absorb it he can absorb it. So, invisiblephantom, you're wrong.

You failed to look into the context that it was used in. He was an ally, and turned unexpectedly. End of story.

 

[khaydz5]

what facts? The only FACTS that can be used is that an edo itachi managed to stop and edo nagato with help from others. That's the only real connection between them. the rinnegan>sharingan BS is a fact in itself, but not a fact in the sense that ANY rinnegan user> ANY sharingan user. There are more variables to that ecuation.




Itachi flies to Namek and summons the dragon and gets a brand new pair of sunglasses to help him win this with no diff, but also with style.

you just said it yourself, itachi was able to stop nagato JUST because he had help.. this is a 1on1 fight sir, now do the math.

there are only three known rinnegan users in the manga except so6p. nagato, madara and tobi. if there is an adept rinnegan user between this three that would be nagato, he is the only one shown capable of using all the paths, rinne tensei, gedo mazou and mastered all 6 elements. ever saw madara/tobi utilize all this jutsus? no.

every stats of nagato is just higher than itachi, that simple. the only stat for itachi that is probably higher than nagato is genjutsu, which means nagato will always have a higher chances of winning.

oh btw, itachi can't fly my dear.

 

[Anub]

you just said it yourself, itachi was able to stop nagato JUST because he had help.. this is a 1on1 fight sir, now do the math.

there are only three known rinnegan users in the manga except so6p. nagato, madara and tobi. if there is an adept rinnegan user between this three that would be nagato, he is the only one shown capable of using all the paths, rinne tensei, gedo mazou and mastered all 6 elements. ever saw madara/tobi utilize all this jutsus? no.

every stats of nagato is just higher than itachi, that simple. the only stat for itachi that is probably higher than nagato is genjutsu, which means nagato will always have a higher chances of winning.

oh btw, itachi can't fly my dear.

All I said was that Itachi stopped Nagato with help, not JUST because he had help. And let's examine why the "math" here doesn't work. Well call this logic: If Itachi + Naruto + Bee would have fought a hard 5-6 chapters battle with Nagato and barely coming out of top, then I would say that clearly Nagato outclasses them; but Itachi barely used any jutsu and if his chakra weren't limitless, he barely would have lost any => meaning that the math doesn't work here.

Not really sure about Nagato being the most adept. I think rinnegan has more to it than just controlling the paths. I look at it kinda like sharingan ... MS in particular. You have Itachi who's a genjutsu-type MS, Sasuke who's a more ninjutsu-type MS, Tobi who (if he's got MS) is a more space/time inclined user and Madara who's got perfect susanoo. They excel in different areas. Who's to say which one is the best sharingan user?

What Nagato stats from where? Or do you mean the data book which if I recall correctly show Itachi having a 5 in genjutsu and Kurenai having a 5 as well...and Itachi didn't even need to use tsukyiomi against her. The data books are for fun, but you can't use numbers to define something of such complexity.

And about the last part...please tell me you understood my irony so I won't have to explain myself...otherwise the joke will feel dragged.

 

[khaydz5]

All I said was that Itachi stopped Nagato with help, not JUST because he had help. And let's examine why the "math" here doesn't work. Well call this logic: If Itachi + Naruto + Bee would have fought a hard 5-6 chapters battle with Nagato and barely coming out of top, then I would say that clearly Nagato outclasses them; but Itachi barely used any jutsu and if his chakra weren't limitless, he barely would have lost any => meaning that the math doesn't work here.

Not really sure about Nagato being the most adept. I think rinnegan has more to it than just controlling the paths. I look at it kinda like sharingan ... MS in particular. You have Itachi who's a genjutsu-type MS, Sasuke who's a more ninjutsu-type MS, Tobi who (if he's got MS) is a more space/time inclined user and Madara who's got perfect susanoo. They excel in different areas. Who's to say which one is the best sharingan user?

What Nagato stats from where? Or do you mean the data book which if I recall correctly show Itachi having a 5 in genjutsu and Kurenai having a 5 as well...and Itachi didn't even need to use tsukyiomi against her. The data books are for fun, but you can't use numbers to define something of such complexity.

And about the last part...please tell me you understood my irony so I won't have to explain myself...otherwise the joke will feel dragged.

I don't think you understand the logic, nagato was in a handicapped match there. It clearly shows that it takes 3 great ninjas to defeat and seal nagato. kishi paired this 3 to perfectly counter nagato. naruto and bee has the fire power to counter nagato, what they only lack is analysis which itachi did for them. if that's too complicated for you just tell me how will itachi himself counter CT without the help of this 2? and I shall gauge your logic based on that.

bold part: I'll consider this an invalid answer since you are not sure what you are talking about.

I'm not talking about stats in databook because nagato is not in the databook. those where obvious stats shown in the manga. strengthwise, stamina wise, chakra wise, jutsu wise, it clearly shows how superior nagato is compared to itachi.

 

[Anub]

I don't think you understand the logic, nagato was in a handicapped match there. It clearly shows that it takes 3 great ninjas to defeat and seal nagato. kishi paired this 3 to perfectly counter nagato. naruto and bee has the fire power to counter nagato, what they only lack is analysis which itachi did for them. if that's too complicated for you just tell me how will itachi himself counter CT without the help of this 2? and I shall gauge your logic based on that.

bold part: I'll consider this an invalid answer since you are not sure what you are talking about.

I'm not talking about stats in databook because nagato is not in the databook. those where obvious stats shown in the manga. strengthwise, stamina wise, chakra wise, jutsu wise, it clearly shows how superior nagato is compared to itachi.

How did they "perfectly counter" Nagato? I'm pretty sure it was Naruto and Bee vs Nagato and Itachi for a while, after which Itachi switched sides and they won the fight. If Kakashi and Gai and Tsunade all contribute with 1 or 2 jutsu to defeat Konohamaru, does it mean that Konohamaru would own each of them individually? No. And you don't have any proof that Itachi would have had to break a sweat against Nagato so stop calling it "fact". And you're asking me how Itachi can counter CT the same way I can say: how can Nagato counter Tsukyiomi?

Here the bottom line: Both of them have jutsu and skill that can end the match within 1 minute. BOTH OF THEM HAVE A CHANCE OF WINNING. If you fail to agree with this then you certainly are a fanboy, because there's no possible scenario in which Nagato is 100% winning against Itachi, not ever. The most we can debate is who would win most of the times if they were to fight. Doesn't matter if you agree or not really, because you can hold on to your logic forever just to make your favorite character more than he is...I don't care.

Good day.

 

[DarkClaw]

Thank you for the awesome video of Nagato vs Itachi , though it could be the other way round too , i really liked it +rep.

 

[randomuno]

What can Deva Path do against Itachi?

Step 1: Close eyes to avoid Tsukiyomi. Every other genjutsu will be neutralised by the sheer force of Chibaku Tensei. Because Genjutsu can be dispelled by physical trauma, and Chibaku Tensei causes physical trauma due to powerful shrapnel flying around.
Step 2: Throw a powerful Chibaku Tensei sphere vertically up.
Step 3: Watch everything in a 8 kilometre radius suck up including the DEVA Path itself!

After all it took a TBB+F:RasenShuriken+Magatama to destroy the sphere. Three of the most powerful ninja. A perfect jinchuriki, one of the first user to combine shape+element manipulation, and one of the most elite Itachi in edotensei mode were required to stop this sphere.

 

[SilverSlick]

All I said was that Itachi stopped Nagato with help, not JUST because he had help. And let's examine why the "math" here doesn't work. Well call this logic: If Itachi + Naruto + Bee would have fought a hard 5-6 chapters battle with Nagato and barely coming out of top, then I would say that clearly Nagato outclasses them; but Itachi barely used any jutsu and if his chakra weren't limitless, he barely would have lost any => meaning that the math doesn't work here.

Not really sure about Nagato being the most adept. I think rinnegan has more to it than just controlling the paths. I look at it kinda like sharingan ... MS in particular. You have Itachi who's a genjutsu-type MS, Sasuke who's a more ninjutsu-type MS, Tobi who (if he's got MS) is a more space/time inclined user and Madara who's got perfect susanoo. They excel in different areas. Who's to say which one is the best sharingan user?

What Nagato stats from where? Or do you mean the data book which if I recall correctly show Itachi having a 5 in genjutsu and Kurenai having a 5 as well...and Itachi didn't even need to use tsukyiomi against her. The data books are for fun, but you can't use numbers to define something of such complexity.

And about the last part...please tell me you understood my irony so I won't have to explain myself...otherwise the joke will feel dragged.

Nagato is the best Rinnegan user, period.

 

[Prince Charles]

tysukuyomi.

 

[Anub]

Nagato is the best Rinnegan user, period.

Why? Because he got more rinnegan manga pages?

Who's Tobi? Do you know? I am 100% sure that you don't know who Tobi is. Tobi said he gave Nagato the rinnegan. He could have lied, or maybe not. It means there is a strong chance Tobi HAD rinnegan before! So until you can back up your argument and squash the opposition (Madara and Tobi), you are not 100% correct.

Also, just a quick reminder. Probably So6p was the best, followed by his son.

 

[Vexorian]

tysukuyomi.

Let me ask you this. Has Itachi ever been shown to be able to move during Tsukiyomi? I think not. Meaning that useless bullshit about Itachi stabbing him after putting them under his genjutsu completely meaningless.

@Anub -- You have no argument. Madara had it only a short while before his death, and Tobi has shown no Rinnegan Techniques of any note. He's mainly utilized it through the Gedo Mazo. Nagato has shown the ability to use everything that Tobi has, and far, far more.

 

[Prime Rib]

nagato can still take itachi healthy or not