Itachi vs Minato

[DrProof]

Where was it said or shown that he can use Genjutsu from any body part? Finger Genjutsu is easier to avoid than regular Genjutsu. When you can sense the position of your foe and when your foe needs to camp in a giant chakra construct to avoid a blitz kill there's no need to even look at the opponent's body at all.

Apex's thread regarding Genjutsu hit it on the head like 2 years ago? Itachi stated he needed just a finger to cast Genjutsu. Keyword being just. The application & execution to form, then project Genjutsu can be applied to any body part, because its just the gathering of chakra, then projecting it onto others.

That's how I see it.

 

[KidGamer65]

Apex's thread regarding Genjutsu hit it on the head like 2 years ago? Itachi stated he needed just a finger to cast Genjutsu. Keyword being just. The application & execution to form, then project Genjutsu can be applied to any body part, because its just the gathering of chakra, then projecting it onto others.

That's how I see it.

Yes, just one finger instead of his eyes. Doesn't mean that it can be cast using any body part. "Just" is thrown in there because it's only a single finger in comparison to actual Dojutsu. The bold is speculation too. So yeah, I highly doubt it's any body part.

 

[DrProof]

Yes, just one finger instead of his eyes. Doesn't mean that it can be cast using any body part. "Just" is thrown in there because it's only a single finger in comparison to actual Dojutsu. The bold is speculation too. So yeah, I highly doubt it's any body part.

I disagree. Saying if I just have one finger, simply implies that a single limb is the minimum he needs to initiate a Genjutsu. "It's not just these eyes." Dialogue confirms Genjutsu can be used, and not be simply limited to his finger/eye. "with just"

 

[KidGamer65]

I disagree. Saying if I just have one finger, simply implies that a single limb is the minimum he needs to initiate a Genjutsu. "It's not just these eyes." Dialogue confirms Genjutsu can be used, and not be simply limited to his finger/eye. "with just"

The two things being compared are obviously the eyes and his finger. You're inserting context that isn't there. Him referring to "just a finger" doesn't involve the rest of his body parts. Sharingan>Fingers in terms of "importance" and that's why he said I "just need a finger" instead of his OP eye technique. "It's not just these eyes that can use Genjutsu" is what lets you know he's comparing his eye to his finger. Not the rest of his limbs. That's ridiculous.

 

[Made in Heaven]

As usual with this matchup Minato simply avoids everything Itachi has until Susanoo fails, then Minato kills him in a flash.

What about Tsukyomi?

 

[KidGamer65]

What about Tsukyomi?

Falls under the same umbrella as the avoiding Genjutsu argument since he still needs to make eye contact to land it.

 

[DrProof]

The two things being compared are obviously the eyes and his finger. You're inserting context that isn't there. Him referring to "just a finger" doesn't involve the rest of his body parts. Sharingan>Fingers in terms of "importance" and that's why he said I "just need a finger" instead of his OP eye technique. "It's not just these eyes that can use Genjutsu" is what lets you know he's comparing his eye to his finger. Not the rest of his limbs. That's ridiculous.

But there's nothing being compared? Itachi simply is correcting Naruto's ignorance on how he got caught in Genjutsu. There's no comparison between his eye Genjutsu, and his finger Genjutsu in the panel. It's merely "if I have just a finger I can cast Genjutsu."

A toe is equivalent to a finger, so why would it be far fetched, (even when the dialogue implies just a finger can cast Genjutsu) to say Itachi can cast Genjutsu through his toe? (or any other limb)

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"I can do it with just this finger." The dialogue rivals this: "with as little as."

"just..."

"as little as..."

Itachi is saying it as so the reader knows this minimum, little effort is all I need to cast a Genjutsu.

 

[UzumakiFate]

Itachitards are still going strong i see ....

 

[KidGamer65]

But there's nothing being compared? Itachi simply is correcting Naruto's ignorance on how he got caught in Genjutsu. There's no comparison between his eye Genjutsu, and his finger Genjutsu in the panel. It's merely "if I have just a finger I can cast Genjutsu."

A toe is equivalent to a finger, so why would it be far fetched, (even when the dialogue implies just a finger can cast Genjutsu) to say Itachi can cast Genjutsu through his toe?

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"I can do it with just this finger." The dialogue rivals this: "with as little as."

"just..."

"as little as..."

Itachi is saying it as so the reader knows this minimum, little effort is all I need to cast a Genjutsu.

@bold: Because that's almost baseless speculation. You nor anyone else knows how exactly Finger Gen works so saying he can cast it from any part of the body on the pretense that they are all limbs doesn't make any sense. A toe isn't equivalent to a finger, they are different body parts.

There is not a thing in this statement that lets you go from finger to any part of the body. Not a thing at all. Yes, that's his minimum compared to using his eyes, that's what I've been saying, but does that give you room to throw in any body part besides his finger? No, because nothing like that was ever mentioned.

-Itachi says he has another way of casting Gen.
-Itachi then says all he needs is "just this finger"
-Meaning his finger and his eyes are the two ways he can use Genjutsu.
-"Just" is there because a finger is measly in comparison to the Sharingan. Hence him saying I just need a finger right after saying his eyes are only one method of using Genjutsu.

Itachi can cast Genjutsu from his finger or his eyes. Nowhere else.

 

[BLAZE]

Yeah its obvious finger genjutsu is weaker in comparison to sharingan genjutsu.
itachi only used it on part 1 early naruto who was piss poor in resisting genjutsu.he relied on sharingan against orochimaru;kurenai;sasuke;kakashi and killer bee all of whom had some genjutsu resistance feat either be db or manga

And if he can use it from any part of body he should have honestly tried it against gai who was looking at his legs I think in part 1

 

[DrProof]

@bold: Because that's almost baseless speculation. You nor anyone else knows how exactly Finger Gen works so saying he can cast it from any part of the body on the pretense that they are all limbs doesn't make any sense. A toe isn't equivalent to a finger, they are different body parts.

There is not a thing in this statement that lets you go from finger to any part of the body. Not a thing at all. Yes, that's his minimum compared to using his eyes, that's what I've been saying, but does that give you room to throw in any body part besides his finger? No, because nothing like that was ever mentioned.

-Itachi says he has another way of casting Gen.
-Itachi then says all he needs is "just this finger"
-Meaning his finger and his eyes are the two ways he can use Genjutsu.
-"Just" is there because a finger is measly in comparison to the Sharingan. Hence him saying I just need a finger right after saying his eyes are only one method of using Genjutsu.

Itachi can cast Genjutsu from his finger or his eyes. Nowhere else.

@bold: :| Phalanges

I won't continue though, I don't believe its speculation to think the greatest Genjutsu user in the manga, who can use Genjutsu from his finger, a single limb, couldn't use it from any other of his body parts. Though, we've no canonical proof, so I won't be like these Hyuga trolls, and take to speculation > manga evidence.

That being said, until Itachi shows he can cast Genjutsu from his other body parts, it remains unknown.

 

[KidGamer65]

@bold: :| Phalanges

I won't continue though, I don't believe its speculation to think the greatest Genjutsu user in the manga, who can use Genjutsu from his finger, a single limb, couldn't use it from any other of his body parts. Though, we've no canonical proof, so I won't be like these Hyuga trolls, and take to speculation > manga evidence.

That being said, until Itachi shows he can cast Genjutsu from his other body parts, it remains unknown.

Fair enough I suppose.

 

[Amenotejikara]

@bold: :| Phalanges

I won't continue though, I don't believe its speculation to think the greatest Genjutsu user in the manga, who can use Genjutsu from his finger, a single limb, couldn't use it from any other of his body parts. Though, we've no canonical proof, so I won't be like these Hyuga trolls, and take to speculation > manga evidence.

That being said, until Itachi shows he can cast Genjutsu from his other body parts, it remains unknown.

Ill speculate in your place then. It could explain why kabuto went the extra mile to shut off complete visual contact towards itachi despite having sensory seeing how kabuto out of all opponents of itachi would probably know the most of his genjutsu arsenal. Plus the fact nardo fell for itachi's gen despite prior exp against itachi.

 

[BLAZE]

Ill speculate in your place then. It could explain why kabuto went the extra mile to shut off complete visual contact towards itachi despite having sensory seeing how kabuto out of all opponents of itachi would probably know the most of his genjutsu arsenal. Plus the fact nardo fell for itachi's gen despite prior exp against itachi.

It was explicitly stated it was becoz of their ocular vision

 

[Lyke]

Itachi negs

 

[HyuugaHeir]

Educate me. Did Itachi have stamina issues?
I'll side with Minato

 

[KidGamer65]

Ill speculate in your place then. It could explain why kabuto went the extra mile to shut off complete visual contact towards itachi despite having sensory seeing how kabuto out of all opponents of itachi would probably know the most of his genjutsu arsenal. Plus the fact nardo fell for itachi's gen despite prior exp against itachi.

Lmao stop entertaining this notion. These are all pointless speculations that don't even prove the point you want to prove.

-Like BLAZE said Kabuto blocked his eyesight because of Sharingan. Nothing more. That was stated.
-The bold doesn't even make sense.

 

[FemmeFatale]

The Blonde hokage wins.

 

[Amenotejikara]

Lmao stop entertaining this notion. These are all pointless speculations that don't even prove the point you want to prove.

-Like BLAZE said Kabuto blocked his eyesight because of Sharingan. Nothing more. That was stated.
-The bold doesn't even make sense.

Lmao what you on about? How does one have knowledge of eye and finger gen yet still get caught by itachi. He even took the appropriate steps by using clones. Are you saying naruto is so dumb he fell for the same trick twice? Why the hell should naruto and pt1 kakashi fail but minato get the benefit of a doubt to avoid gen. My point is that kabuto went out of his way to shut his eyes despite sensory, just as Ay went out of his way to boost to v2 because the both of them understood the capacity of what MS can do through intel. I don't think minato even knew what kamui came from.

I know blaze is right which is why i didnt respond, i dont drag on arguments. Why repeat what he literally just said.

 

[KidGamer65]

Lmao what you on about? How does one have knowledge of eye and finger gen yet still get caught by itachi. He even took the appropriate steps by using clones. Are you saying naruto is so dumb he fell for the same trick twice? Why the hell should naruto and pt1 kakashi fail but minato get the benefit of a doubt.

I know blaze is right which is why i didnt respond, i dont drag on arguments. Why repeat what he literally just said.

Naruto got caught because Itachi was capable of forcing eye contact. Blatantly shown in the Manga. Kakashi got caught because he didn't prevent eye contact as he had no way of knowing about Tsukuyomi. Idk why people who support Itachi in this match up feel the need to use bad logic like "A and B got caught so why not C" while ignoring the fact that Minato's moveset and fighting style are completely different.

"Benefit of the doubt" :lol Just imagine.