Itachi VS Madara

[MomoSaka]

what are these obvious reasons?

The salt is real...
Madara solos......:bdpf:

 

[Rase]

So a 13 years old is of knee height to an 18 years old in your country?

Yes actually i know a high school student that is only 4 feet and a half feet tall and a 18 year old that is six and a half feet tall.

 

[Oblivionx]

Yes actually i know a high school student that is only 4 feet and a half feet tall and a 18 year old that is six and a half feet tall.

XD you are trying too hard even for a troll :lol: . I am six feet tall, i don't have my knee at four and a half feet

 

[LightningNinja]

what are these obvious reasons?

No one said that the bold is obvious, because we never really saw MS Madara fight(But MS Madara still wins).
What obvious is that EMS Madara and above destroys Itachi because of OP jutsus like PS.

 

[Rase]

XD you are trying too hard even for a troll :lol: . I am six feet tall, i don't have my knee at four and a half feet

I am just saying the first thing that comes to my head.

 

[Mellanoma]

No one said that the bold is obvious, because we never really saw MS Madara fight(But MS Madara still wins).
What obvious is that EMS Madara and above destroys Itachi because of OP jutsus like PS.

Ok

 

[Amenotejikara]

No one said that the bold is obvious, because we never really saw MS Madara fight(But MS Madara still wins).
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is the madara wank really this drenched?

What is the basis of this claim?
- he has no hashi dna boost i.e mokuton etc.
- no immortality
- no rinnegan abilities
- no ems
- no PS or complete body susanoo, likely caps off at v4. (which itachi also has +yata)
- no unique dojutsu like kamui or amaterasu shown
- no sensory, therefore very possible to be caught into crow feint
- and probably sucks even worst at genjutsu
- there isn't even a portrayal that list MS madara above all uchihas except 3t. (which itachi clearly is above)

 

[LightningNinja]

is the madara wank really this drenched?

What is the basis of this claim?
- he has no hashi dna boost i.e mokuton etc.
- no immortality
- no rinnegan abilities
- no ems
- no PS or complete body susanoo, likely caps off at v4. (which itachi also has +yata)
- no unique dojutsu like kamui or amaterasu shown
- no sensory, therefore very possible to be caught into crow feint
- and probably sucks even worst at genjutsu
- there isn't even a portrayal that list MS madara above all uchihas except 3t. (which itachi clearly is above)

Instead of making irrelevant list(which also includes baseless things) that Madara has or doesn't has, I would like to see an explanation of how MS Itachi beats MS Madara.

 

[Marin]

Madara negs because of Kyuubi Summon, greater speed, strength, PS and stronger genjutsu.

 

[Amenotejikara]

Instead of making irrelevant list(which also includes baseless things) that Madara has or doesn't has, I would like to see an explanation of how MS Itachi beats MS Madara.

Pretty simple, itachi possess everything that version of madara has plus more. Now, it's your turn. Explain to me how does itachi gets smashed by someone whose destructive capabilities hasn't shown to eclipse other mangekyou users until PS. Let's stop the wank, people seem to forget the reason madara was hyped period is partly due to being the only MS user post his brother's death(who was also comparable in power), then later on put into legend status such as being carved into statue of VoTE is due in a timeline he was relying on ems. so I don't know where this MS madara wank is coming from, ems prime madara =/= ms madara. So I want you to explain to me how is madara getting through v4 susanoo equipped with yata and his ability to counter totsuka when he's essentially unable to fly w/ susanoo or hide far above PS's diamond head.

 

[LightningNinja]

Pretty simple, itachi possess everything that version of madara has plus more. Now, it's your turn. Explain to me how does itachi gets smashed by someone whose destructive capabilities hasn't shown to eclipse other mangekyou users until PS. Let's stop the wank, people seem to forget the reason madara was hyped period is partly due to being the only MS user post his brother's death(who was also comparable in power), then later on put into legend status such as being carved into statue of VoTE is due in a timeline he was relying on ems. so I don't know where this MS madara wank is coming from, ems prime madara =/= ms madara. So I want you to explain to me how is madara getting through v4 susanoo equipped with yata and his ability to counter totsuka when he's essentially unable to fly w/ susanoo or hide far above PS's diamond head.

You should really stop with the whole wank up thing. I never said MS madara effortlessly wins against Itachi, and Never said MS Madara = his EMS version or that he can get through V4 equipped with yata , I said that MS Madara wins and that's it. In fact the only wank I see is how you talking about Itachi's Yata and Totsuka.

MS Madara and MS Itachi start to fight, both of them bring up Susanoo at one point and than Itachi drops his Susanoo first and Madara wins this match, as simple as that.

About some things you have said: First, about Madara hype. Kid Madara was a prodigy shinobi (praised by Butsuma)
who killed adult skilled Senju without the sharingan. Do you understand this feat? A kid killing skilled adults from the strongest clan. In addition, Madara himself noted that he is already stronger than most of the adults around him,just think how strong is base adult Madara. And yes, of course Madara got hype for being the first uchiha to awaken MS (and later EMS),give MS to this caliber of shinobi and you get hype.

Second, it's doesn't matter that Itachi has extra abilities and Yata and Totsuka because they are all irrelavent, I have no reason to believe that Totsuka can pierce through Susnoo. What's relevant in this fight? Susanoo and stamina.
MS Madara's Susnoo >> Itachi's. why I'm saying that? because this is EMS Madara's V4 Susanoo:

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This MS Itachi's V4:

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Now, we haven't saw MS Madara V4 version but we know that's supposed to be the same size like his EMS version. Just see Sasuke's case:

MS Sasuke's V4 :

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EMS Sasuke's v4:

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As you see there is no difference in size.

I'm showing you this not because I think that MS/EMS Madara V4 can break through Yata, but because I want to show the huge difference in power between MS Madara to MS Itachi, that's why I said the Edo Itachi has his chances to win against MS Madara, because Madara will be the one to drop Susanoo first (assuming Madara's V4 can't destroy Yata).

 

[BLAZE]

Ms madara trashed Ms itachi.
Gigantic v4;much larger katons;gunbai that makes him far superior in cqc.

 

[Amenotejikara]

You should really stop with the whole wank up thing. I never said MS madara effortlessly wins against Itachi, and Never said MS Madara = his EMS version or that he can get through V4 equipped with yata , I said that MS Madara wins and that's it. In fact the only wank I see is how you talking about Itachi's Yata and Totsuka.

MS Madara and MS Itachi start to fight, both of them bring up Susanoo at one point and than Itachi drops his Susanoo first and Madara wins this match, as simple as that.

About some things you have said: First, about Madara hype. Kid Madara was a prodigy shinobi (praised by Butsuma)
who killed adult skilled Senju without the sharingan. Do you understand this feat? A kid killing skilled adults from the strongest clan. In addition, Madara himself noted that he is already stronger than most of the adults around him,just think how strong is base adult Madara. And yes, of course Madara got hype for being the first uchiha to awaken MS (and later EMS),give MS to this caliber of shinobi and you get a hype.

Second, it's doesn't matter that Itachi as extra abilities and Yata and Totsuka because they are all irrelavent, I have no reason to believe that Totsuka can pierce through Susnoo. What's relevant in this fight? Susanoo and stamina.
MS Madara's Susnoo >> Itachi's. why I'm saying that? because this is EMS Madara's V4 Susanoo:

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This MS Itachi's V4:

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Now, we haven't saw MS Madara V4 version but we know that's supposed to be the same size like his EMS version. Just see Sasuke's case:

MS Sasuke's V4 :

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EMS Sasuke's v4:

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As you see there is no difference in size.

I'm showing you this not because I think that MS/EMS Madara V4 can break through Yata, but because I want to show the huge difference in power between MS Madara to MS Itachi, that's way I said the Edo Itachi has his chances to win against MS Madara, because Madara will be the one to drop Susanoo first (assuming Madara's V4 can't destroy Yata).

Katon is pointless vs susanoo, gunbai can't counter clone feints and probably amaterasu. Stamina won't be the copout win condition because this time it comes down to whether or not madara's susanoo is capable of putting down itachi quick enough while avoiding to be hit by totsuka, which is the answer i'm waiting for or is the totsuka cut through v4 not allowed since it's "featless" and if so then there's no point in continuing.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Katon is pointless vs susanoo, gunbai can't counter clone feints and probably amaterasu. Stamina won't be the copout win condition because this time it comes down to whether or not madara's susanoo is capable of putting down itachi quick enough while avoiding to be hit by totsuka, which is the answer i'm waiting for or is the totsuka cut through v4 not allowed since it's "featless" and if so then there's no point in continuing.

-Madara was able to tell Hashi wood clones from the og and iirc said Naruto he saw wasn't a clone during the early stages of the juubi fights so I think Madara should be able to deal better with clone feints.
-What feats does Totsuka have that make it able to pierce Madara's V4 and what's stopping Madara from parrying totsuka with his own sword.
-Itachi has the better defense for his susanoo but I don't think Itachi's susanoo has the offense to break through Madara's and Itaci's susanoo offense gets cancelled out by Madara's anyway since Ya. Magatama gets cancelled by Madara's and his sword can parry Itachi's.
-Gunbai works by converting the chakra of the attack that strikes it into wind. Shouldn't it be able to convert the chakra of amaterasu to wind when the flames touch it just like how it converted Naruto's BD rasengan to wind.

 

[Mellanoma]

You should really stop with the whole wank up thing. I never said MS madara effortlessly wins against Itachi, and Never said MS Madara = his EMS version or that he can get through V4 equipped with yata , I said that MS Madara wins and that's it. In fact the only wank I see is how you talking about Itachi's Yata and Totsuka.

MS Madara and MS Itachi start to fight, both of them bring up Susanoo at one point and than Itachi drops his Susanoo first and Madara wins this match, as simple as that.

About some things you have said: First, about Madara hype. Kid Madara was a prodigy shinobi (praised by Butsuma)
who killed adult skilled Senju without the sharingan. Do you understand this feat? A kid killing skilled adults from the strongest clan. In addition, Madara himself noted that he is already stronger than most of the adults around him,just think how strong is base adult Madara. And yes, of course Madara got hype for being the first uchiha to awaken MS (and later EMS),give MS to this caliber of shinobi and you get hype.

Second, it's doesn't matter that Itachi has extra abilities and Yata and Totsuka because they are all irrelavent, I have no reason to believe that Totsuka can pierce through Susnoo. What's relevant in this fight? Susanoo and stamina.
MS Madara's Susnoo >> Itachi's. why I'm saying that? because this is EMS Madara's V4 Susanoo:

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This MS Itachi's V4:

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Now, we haven't saw MS Madara V4 version but we know that's supposed to be the same size like his EMS version. Just see Sasuke's case:

MS Sasuke's V4 :

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EMS Sasuke's v4:

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As you see there is no difference in size.

I'm showing you this not because I think that MS/EMS Madara V4 can break through Yata, but because I want to show the huge difference in power between MS Madara to MS Itachi, that's why I said the Edo Itachi has his chances to win against MS Madara, because Madara will be the one to drop Susanoo first (assuming Madara's V4 can't destroy Yata).

Ms madara trashed Ms itachi.
Gigantic v4;much larger katons;gunbai that makes him far superior in cqc.

Thats not V4 Susanoo

Thats unstabilized perfect Susanoo

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[KidGamer65]

Pretty simple, itachi possess everything that version of madara has plus more. Now, it's your turn. Explain to me how does itachi gets smashed by someone whose destructive capabilities hasn't shown to eclipse other mangekyou users until PS. Let's stop the wank, people seem to forget the reason madara was hyped period is partly due to being the only MS user post his brother's death(who was also comparable in power), then later on put into legend status such as being carved into statue of VoTE is due in a timeline he was relying on ems. so I don't know where this MS madara wank is coming from, ems prime madara =/= ms madara. So I want you to explain to me how is madara getting through v4 susanoo equipped with yata and his ability to counter totsuka when he's essentially unable to fly w/ susanoo or hide far above PS's diamond head.

Lmao I'm gonna pray that this is a troll because you don't make a shred of sense. Talking about wank but then make a post like this? All you did was wank Itachi during this post. lmao come on now fam. Madara was hyped because he was the strongest in the Uchiha. Period. Izuna being comparable in power was never once stated in any accurate translation. Madara was the one born with the largest and strongest chakra. He was the one who was fighting Hashirama all throughout the war, and Hashirama has been the strongest in his clan.

Itachi doesn't stand a chance and that is not debatable in any way, shape or form and arguing that he does is wank. Neither can get past the other's Susanoo, thus Itachi dies to chakra loss as he has nowhere near the amount of chakra Madara has.

And I'm going to hope that the bold isn't implying what I think it's implying.

Katon is pointless vs susanoo, gunbai can't counter clone feints and probably amaterasu. Stamina won't be the copout win condition because this time it comes down to whether or not madara's susanoo is capable of putting down itachi quick enough while avoiding to be hit by totsuka, which is the answer i'm waiting for or is the totsuka cut through v4 not allowed since it's "featless" and if so then there's no point in continuing.

And what is this nonsense? lmao. What in this universe allows Totsuka to cut through a V4 Susanoo? Did Itachi's V4 somehow display the ability to saw through something much stronger than what tanked Kirin? No, it didn't. Not once, not ever. You have no evidence to support this claim nor have you even bothered to provide any so seeing you make the "you'll say it's featless because you can't prove your point thus there is no point in continuing" is funny and hypocritical.

 

[KidGamer65]

I know what it means. I am trying to figure out how is this an exaggeration.

"Block ALL attacks" = Hyperbole. 5 years and I'm still waiting for someone to actually prove that Yata Mirror can block all attacks instead of throwing out nonsense exaggerations and passing them off as fact with the BS excuse that "This person said so" or "it's a spirit weapon" when similar statements have been made for weapons nobody, not even you, would support.

 

[Rase]

"Block ALL attacks" = Hyperbole. 5 years and I'm still waiting for someone to actually prove that Yata Mirror can block all attacks instead of throwing out nonsense exaggerations and passing them off as fact with the BS excuse that "This person said so" or "it's a spirit weapon" when similar statements have been made for weapons nobody, not even you, would support.

Try me

 

[KidGamer65]

Try me

-DB says Temari can blow away the universe.
-DB says that Amaterasu is as hot as the sun.
-Suigetsu said that Kabutowari can break any shield.

And I can go on. If you won't defend ALL of these I don't want to see you arguing Yata tanks all. Double standard is a double standard no matter what excuses anyone makes.

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[Rase]

-DB says Temari can blow away the universe.
-DB says that Amaterasu is as hot as the sun.
-Suigetsu said that Kabutowari can break any shield.

And I can go on. If you won't defend ALL of these I don't want to see you arguing Yata tanks all. Double standard is a double standard no matter what excuses anyone makes.

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