[VS] Itachi vs Killer Bee

[BenjerminGaye]

Nah it cut them, just didn't go deep.

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nope.

 

[LuckyMan]

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nope.

Okay I'll agree the anime made it look a bit different, but Jinton still stands and he loves to call no limits fallacy on that. Hypocrite?

 

[TRE MERCER]

I wouldn't give Totsuka fanfic feats. Its not the Kusanagi.

Nope it shown it can stretch in cannon. Plus it's confirmed that it can change it's shape also which stretching can be accomplished by anything that can change it's shape.

 

[LuckyMan]

Nope it shown it can stretch in cannon. Plus it's confirmed that it can change it's shape also which stretching can be accomplished by anything that can change it's shape.

Post the manga facts man. Post the evidence. Post the proof. I don't see it.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Post the manga facts man. Post the evidence. Post the proof. I don't see it.

Im moble so you'll have to wait but go to the chapters and you can see for yourself.

 

[ComplexCity]

I recently found some cracks on Yata mirror after Sasuke attacked it with paper bombs. Imma post ever single panel with Yata in them during Sasuke vs Itachi

No crack

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Then we have

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I wonder what those cracks are

I think this guy debunked yata's hype

 

[Unorthodox]

just because suanno in the lower levels has good defense that means jack shit to its offence. garras sand tanked 4 susanno blades yet we all know it gets ripped to shreds if it comes anywhere near chidori. let alone raiden.

Dumbass.

Ration > doton which is basically Gaara's sand its called a bad matchup and what is your proof that Raikiri or raiden is chopping through that sand? Susanoo sword had no problem chopping through a field of Kimmimaro's SM enhanced bones yet it cannot cut the neck off a cloak form gtfoh.

 

[ComplexCity]

Ration > doton which is basically Gaara's sand its called a bad matchup and what is your proof that Raikiri or raiden is chopping through that sand? Susanoo sword had no problem chopping through a field of Kimmimaro's SM enhanced bones yet it cannot cut the neck off a cloak form gtfoh.

Because it already did in part one. Chidori did that. But imma mind my business. Not only that,the bones don't really have any durability feats

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

Bee simply outlasts

 

[Apêx1]

You gave Bee the intel of Itachi being a genjutsu expert. Then Bee knows Itachi is an Uchiha. Good luck with Susanoo trying to grab someone as fast as Bee.

So? He knows he's an Uchiha, not a Susano user. Bee tries the blitz and v2 stops him>grabs him while he's standing still>Tsukiyomi.

It never ceases to amaze me that Itachi fanboys actually try to defend this notion that Yata can repel any attack. There are countless hyperboles in the manga and databook but for some reason, people try to dismiss them all except this one. Kabutowari, one of the seven ninja swords, was stated to break through any defense, but it obviously doesn't. You are actually suggesting here that Yata tanks:

-Shinsuusenju
-PS slashes
-Juubidama
-Ash bones

All because of a hyperbolic statement? This is just straight up wank. Absolutely no other way to put it.

@bold, that was a clear hyperbole in the same way attacks being the speed of light is a hyperbole. Yata was stated 4 times to be invincible, the mechanics are that it can change all of its attribute to render any attack ineffective. There's obviously no hyperbole here, regardless of how you look at it. Mechanics were provided to pretty much explain why all attacks are useless in front of it. A shield that can turn back any attack, an invincible shield, etc being backed up. The only thing you could've argued is NLF, but NLF is a cross-universe term. This becomes a FACT concerning NV, if you don't like it then that's too bad for you. Kishi's word is above whatever you want to think. Only because the general consensus on NB is that there's absolutely no way of Yata stopping an insanely powerful attack, doesn't mean that the general consensus holds as a fact. It can sound outrageous to you for all I care, but at the end of the day it's what the author wants you to believe. Ask any Naruto reader that doesn't debate, he'll tell you Yata is impregnable. That holds weight because he's reading the manga in the way intended, he's not reading it in terms of how 'logical' it sounds, because at the end of the day this is fiction and logic is thrown out the window. It's a spiritual weapon, it has no physical form, thus it's metaphysical. Kishi never intended for Yata to be something that can be compared to the average defence. If you want to actually TRY and debunk this, then the burden of proof is on you.

Indeed I am.

Clearly not a hyperbole though, so there goes your whole argument. It never ceases to amaze me how shitty member's comprehension skills are when it comes to differentiating hyperbole and non-hyperbole statements. Straight up wank is just a subtle concession since you have no argument.

Yeah, no. I don't need to debunk what you haven't prooved. This entire post literally holds no weight. You stated reasons why you think TBB would get tanked then asked me to debunk your reasons, which didn't prove it gets tanked in the first place.

I hope you stand by your no limits fallacy point too. Your logic is that if the author said it, its mechanics have been given, and its never failed then it must be true. Funny though because you use no limits fallcy for Jinton all the time.

I have Kishi's word, that's all the proof I need. You have no way of debunking the author's word, which is where your argument falls. TBB is an attack, and all attacks are useless in front of Yata. That's one explanation which uses Kishi's word as evidence. Now I'd like you to debunk it in a viable way other then "it's wank".

It's not about it "never failing." It's about the author saying that it CAN'T fail. Yet I have ALWAYS stated that Jinton shits on any defence.

 

[Unorthodox]

Because it already did in part one. Chidori did that. But imma mind my business. Not only that,the bones don't really have any durability feats

Considering the fact that was part 1 Gaara and he was stupidly unstable add the fact that i also said it was a bad matchup your grasping is pathetic. Does not have durability feats he literally bust through all Gaara defenses tanked everything in his arsenal yet no durability feats phuck outa here

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Ration > doton which is basically Gaara's sand its called a bad matchup and what is your proof that Raikiri or raiden is chopping through that sand? Susanoo sword had no problem chopping through a field of Kimmimaro's SM enhanced bones yet it cannot cut the neck off a cloak form gtfoh.

except for the fact that garra doesn't use doton sooo. hold that L. The only elements he has is futon and jiton.

same swords that failed to get through garras sand. And kimmi bones are nothing special since that too failed against garras sand.

Considering the fact that was part 1 Gaara and he was stupidly unstable add the fact that i also said it was a bad matchup your grasping is pathetic. Does not have durability feats he literally bust through all Gaara defenses tanked everything in his arsenal yet no durability feats phuck outa here

It didn't tho.

Thickest bone in his body failed miserably

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[ComplexCity]

Considering the fact that was part 1 Gaara and he was stupidly unstable add the fact that i also said it was a bad matchup your grasping is pathetic. Does not have durability feats he literally bust through all Gaara defenses tanked everything in his arsenal yet no durability feats phuck outa here

Lol this guy

When Sasuke pierced that Sand Gaara wasn't unstable. You said it yourself that Raiton > Doton so idk what you are trying to arguing. Chidori/Raikiri function is not to obliterate but to pierce, which it did


Edit: I was agreeing with you, but now I see what's being argued. Sasuke didn't bust through all of his defenses. The ball of sand was still active when chidori hit it so what are you talking about?

 

[LuckyMan]

Im moble so you'll have to wait but go to the chapters and you can see for yourself.

I'm on a phone too at the moment. How about you get it for me when you can because clearly I missed Totsuka extending like the Kusanagi. Clearly I missed something very important stated and showed in manga canon so me reading it again won't help, especially when we've all seen those panels hundred times over and I'm still saying the same thing. So I need you to show me exactly what you're talking about, sir.

 

[TRE MERCER]

I'm on a phone too at the moment. How about you get it for me when you can because clearly I missed Totsuka extending like the Kusanagi. Clearly I missed something very important stated and showed in manga canon so me reading it again won't help, especially when we've all seen those panels hundred times over and I'm still saying the same thing. So I need you to show me exactly what you're talking about, sir.

Look here at how far Totsuka is away from Hydra main head head.[

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[KidGamer65]

2015 and people are still using hyperbole as fact. *sigh*

 

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Hyperbole they say. The repetitive nature of it obviously contradicts such. People just can't comprehend such weapons being a part of Itachi's arsenal, or within the manga.

 

[KidGamer65]

If only those 5 images you posted even began to say the same thing. In reality, only two of those images hype it to be impervious to every single attack while one describes how it works, and the rest show that it has no physical form. Hyped ONCE in the Manga, and ONCE in the Databook.

If you believe Yata Mirror can block things like the Juubi's Bijuu Dama, and Kaguya's World Busting Gudo Dama because the Manga stated it was invincible once, and the DB also stated it, then you need to start using logic. Is Yata Mirror a strong shield? Obviously. But it's lack of feats, it being hyped to be invincible, and it being a spirit weapon isn't justification for you people to be running around here claiming it to be invincible.

At this point it's just "lol Spirit weapon" thus hyperbole can apply to it whereas it's disregarded for every other item/jutsu/ability. One of the biggest cop outs I've ever seen related to Naruto.

I mean what's next? Are people gonna run around here claiming Totsuka can cut down any enemy? Because DB AND Manga have hyped it to be capable of doing so. Zetsu called him "invincible" because he has a sword that can supposedly cut down anything and a shield that can turn back any attack.

If I tried to argue that Itachi solos Madara because Totsuka cuts through PS and kills him what would you say? :lol I know for a fact that you won't agree.

Take a logical approach when saying what Yata can and cannot deflect. Please. :lol

 

[Forbidden Technique]

2015 and people are still using hyperbole as fact. *sigh*

Interpretting it as hyperbole is fine, but completely ignoring and disregarding all of it's 'hype' because of it's lack of feats is another thing.

Let's take a look at what Kishi had to say about Yata Mirror:

Databook:
>Matchless sacred weapon
>Absolute perfect defense
>Can repel any attack
>A gods power
>All forms of attack lose their meaning
>Can change every one of it's properties, in order to render every attack ineffective

Manga:
>Supernatural item
>Can turn back any attack
>Makes Itachi invincible (with Totsuka)

Feats:
Rendered every single attack that opposed it ineffective, and reflected it.

...What exactly are we questioning here? We have numerous statements in the manga and databook hyping these weapons to be beyond the realm of a shinobi. It should be clear cut what Kishi was attending these weapons to be, when using good reason. Stating it's simply hyperbole and has no feats to warrant anything significant is nothing but an ignorant argument, that completely disregards what was stated/implied/hinted by author in both the manga and databook. With that being said, stating that a TBB is busting Yata and one-shotting Itachi with zero proof is an especially laughable assertion, when Hachibi mode Bee and Suegetsu survived it. Two beings that have no business being put above Yata Mirror in terms of it's durability and defensive capabilities, or even remotely close to it.

I don't necessarily agree with the notion that it can repel and deflect every single attack...namely things from god tier beings. But we already seen TBB's limitation, while we haven't seen Yata's. Using fair reason with what was stated and shown from both, TBB absolutely should not trump Yata Mirror. Otherwise, we're implying that Suegetsu (with the addition of a decently large mass of water) and Hachibi mode Bee>Yata Mirror. Which makes absolutely zero sense and provides zero consistency with everything Kishi had to say about the weapon. I don't know if you were implying this... if not, then take this post as a general statement.

 

[KidGamer65]

Interpretting it as hyperbole is fine, but completely ignoring and disregarding all of it's 'hype' because of it's lack of feats is another thing.

Let's take a look at what Kishi had to say about Yata Mirror:

Databook:
>Matchless sacred weapon
>Absolute perfect defense
>Can repel any attack
>A gods power
>All forms of attack lose their meaning
>Can change every one of it's properties, in order to render every attack ineffective

Manga:
>Supernatural item
>Can turn back any attack
>Makes Itachi invincible (with Totsuka)

Feats:
Rendered every single attack that opposed it ineffective, and reflected it.

...What exactly are we questioning here? We have numerous statements in the manga and databook hyping these weapons to be beyond the realm of a shinobi. It should be clear cut what Kishi was attending these weapons to be, when using good reason. Stating it's simply hyperbole and has no feats to warrant anything significant is nothing but an ignorant argument, that completely disregards what was stated/implied/hinted by author in both the manga and databook. With that being said, stating that a TBB is busting Yata and one-shotting Itachi with zero proof is an especially laughable assertion, when Hachibi mode Bee and Suegetsu survived it. Two beings that have no business being put above Yata Mirror in terms of it's durability and defensive capabilities, or even remotely close to it.

I don't necessarily agree with the notion that it can repel and deflect every single attack...namely things from god tier beings. But we already seen TBB's limitation, while we haven't seen Yata's. Using fair reason with what was stated and shown from both, TBB absolutely should not trump Yata Mirror. Otherwise, we're implying that Suegetsu (with the addition of a decently large mass of water) and Hachibi mode Bee>Yata Mirror. Which makes absolutely zero sense and provides zero consistency with everything Kishi had to say about the weapon. I don't know if you were implying this... if not, then take this post as a general statement.

Didn't disregard all of it's hype, and I agree that no one should disregard everything stated in the Manga and DB, only anything and everything relating to it being completely invincible and capable of turning back any attack no matter the limits. Given that Suigetsu and B himself can survive direct hits from BD, Yata being able to take one isn't as outlandish a claim as what Apex was saying above with this "tanks all attacks including Juubi level+ attacks" and reflects them because "lol author "said" so" nonsense.

But all that flavor text you are using as argumentation doesn't fly here.

So yeah, you make good points here. Points I can actually agree with. But I have a question. You say that Yata Mirror is meant to be held on a pedestal above the realm of Shinobi, so are you implying that Yata Mirror should be stronger than any defense any Shinobi can conjure up? Any shinobi outside the God tier that is.