Itachi vs. Jiraiya! Who will win?

[TheEvilOne]

Itachi wins Low-Mid diff

It's a mid- high diff actually. He isn't beating Jiraiya without the MS.

Your point?:|

Forget I said anything :|

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Itachi, but Orochimaru<Jiraya.

 

[ToshiZO]

Jiraiya Low diff

Even though im the biggest Itachi fan on NB I can't deny the level of rape that J man will give him:|

ya thats why your username is Jiraiya lives........

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Neither is raping the other. They are more or less equal.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Itachi, but Orochimaru<Jiraya.

Never. Orochimaru > Jiraiya edo or not.

Neither is raping the other. They are more or less equal.

Base Jiraiya >/= Base Itachi
SM Jiraiya < MS Itachi

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Never. Orochimaru > Jiraiya edo or not.



Base Jiraiya >/= Base Itachi
SM Jiraiya < MS Itachi

If Itachi is in a bloodlusted state then yes.

If the fight is IC Sm Jiraiya wins due to intel and clones.

 

[Bogard]

Like i always said, Jirays wins

Genjutsu counters

First of all, i'd like to point out the fact that all Itachi's genjutsu are made in close range battle. Whether it is against

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, or against

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This is also confirmed by the databook

NINJUTSU; KEKKEI GENKAI; Tsukuyomi
User: Uchiha Itachi
Supplementary; Close range; Rank: none

So for Itachi to actually even start thinking about puting Jiraya in a genjutsu, it would have to happen in a close range battle. Here is where the problem begins since Jiraya is a long range fighter using and abusing of his superior ninjutsu

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Or summons

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Jiraya being a long range fighter, Itachi would have difficuties to find opportunities to place Jiraya in a genjutsu and take advantage of it.

Also, contrary to the popular belief, Kai release can break out of any genjutsus including Itachi's. The reason why Itachi's tsukuyomi is unbreakable is not because of the power of it, but because it takes time in few seconds, so not giving time to the opponent to use kai release and break it. Now it depends on the users skills while using the kai release method. Like Jiraya said, to break genjutsu, you must try your best to stop your chakra flow

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. Doing that will break any genjutsu. That's

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Jiraya

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, the one he used on a woman to distract him, something that Itachi noticed, which shows he is skilfull in breaking genjutsus

Naruto for example was capable to break

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that Itachi gave, but still wasn't able to overcome the genjutsu completely. The reason behind this, Itachi already gave it himself. It's because he

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. That again shows that a more skilful kai release user could have broken Itachi's genjutsu completely

Another example is the Orochimaru vs Itachi battle. Itachi managed to put Orochimaru in

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. Since Kai release needs both hands to be together to be performed, it's for that reason Orochimaru struggled to break it. But Orochimaru could have broken it if he managed to put his hands together in time. He was already close to it even. It's for that reason that

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So like you can see, breaking Itachi's genjutsu isn't impossible at all, far from it actually. Depends now on the opponents skills in using the kai release method. But in general, genjutsu is used to create a diversion for a following attack, not to defeat the enemy

Those are the reasons why i believe that Jiraya could have broken Itachi's genjutsu if necessary. He has already shown the skill even. But would Itachi allow it to happen? That's probably where the real debate is

Anyway, like Jiraya also said, if yourself is incapable to break a genjutsu,

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. Jiraya always starts battles with summons as partners [

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So even if either of them was caught in a genjutsu at some point, the other will make him free from it exactly like a Jinchuriki's method for example. Gamabunta has shown the capacity

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, so he could use this method that would break Jiraya free from it and vice verse

Those are the main reasons why i believe genjutsu won't be an issue in this fight

Ninjutsu superiority

Jiraya is one of the most skilful ninjutsu user in the entire manga. Minato even said he thinks

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. During their encounter in part1 even, both Itachi and Kisame were

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that they were already trapped by Jiraya's jutsu from the start, which could be considered as a testament of Jiraya's skilful use of ninjutsu

Here is where the problem begins since Jiraya is a long range fighter using and abusing of his superior ninjutsu

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Or summons

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Talking about summons, my opponent forgot to talk about Gamabunta's help here. His suiton weree huge enough to even counter Shukaku's high level of fuuton technique(see above), so it will render Itachi's use of Katons meaningless and more importantly, Jiraya will even take advantage of it in the ninjutsu battle

Not only that, but Jiraya could also use combo attacks as powerful

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. Just to make you remember,

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, but himself look like shit compared to this jutsu. So Itachi won't survive if he receives an attack of this scale and unfortunately for him, he doesn't possess the ninjutsu arsenal to counter or even evade it

Jiraya also has high level of long range attacks thanks to his hair, capable to easily destroy huge summons

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Those are the reasons why i believe Jiraya would totally dominate the ninjutsu battle

How does Jiraya counters Amaterasu:

Jman already has

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. So he would be really cautious if he were to fight Itachi. Contrary to the popular belief, amaterasu is a

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that appears instantly withing a certain range, and from there begins

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the target(it's the reason why eventhough it almost appeared on Raikage, he had time to shunshin out of the way) and

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depending on where the user focuses. What i mean by that is that if a target is outside the range of amaterasu, it would be easier for him to notice it and therefore counter it with something in his arsenal. Sasuke for example was able

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during a while and use a

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to counter the jutsu. Killer-Bee also used a subtitution when he had no knowledge on the jutsu, and with knowledge he has shown that it was even able

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before he uses Amaterasu(which shows btw that Amaterasu needs some time of concentration to be released)

Jiraya who even already has knowledge on the jutsu. During the time Amaterasu would be released, he could use

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to protect himself and even

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at Itachi after that with his needle Senbon. Other method could be

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(burning a KB is useless).

Also, even without knowledge in part1, he directly created a counter for it in an instant with a

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How does Jiraya counter Susanoo:

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Gaara helped us to know that

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. Well, Jiraya has a perfect counter for this with

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(Jiraya even said it was

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). It would totally make sink Itachi in this position with or without his Susanoo

If they are fighting in an enclosed area, Jiraya could capture him(Susanoo or not) in

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like he already did in part1. He can also create an opening to capture him in the

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like he did against Pain

Sasuke made us understand

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because of sound vibration. Well, Pa and Ma have

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(able to paralyse Pain summons). With this jutsu, it would be easy for SM Jiraya to paralyse Itachi and finish him either with his

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or

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or even something else in his arsenal.

We also know thanks to Kabuto, that

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, so Pa and Ma use this and he is done for:

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Stamina advantage:

Jiraya undoubtely has the stamina advantage since his chakra was huge enough to even allow him to use Sage Mode. He was spamming techniques since he entered Pain's territory and i never saw him run out of stamina in the entire manga. On the contrary, most of Itachi's powerful techniques take a lot of tole on his body.

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with more than

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and

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use of it

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greatly. It also gives the opportunity to the opponent to take advantage of it and finish him off

 

[TheEvilOne]

I only counter your argument for the Susanoo. The Yomi Numa can be countered by two ways:

1. Chakra control

Itachi can concentrate chakra in his feet to avoid sinking.

2. Katon

He can drain off the mud.

 

[Bogard]

1. Chakra control

Itachi can concentrate chakra in his feet to avoid sinking.

2. Katon

He can drain off the mud.

Jiraya was

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around

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technique, yet nothing happened. So i don't think it would do a thing. And even if it does, if anything by hardening the mud in this condition it will immobilise Itachi if anything else since at the moment he would realise he is trapped in yomi numa,

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(his feet would already start sinking underground).

 

[Sakuradasoloqueen]

Orochimaru and Jiraiya is like sasuke and naruto.Naruto >>Sasuke but he didnt defeat him in the valley of the end(plot no jutsu)i guess it is the same with jiraiya and orochimaru.And in this thread i think ero sennin wins with high diff.Mount myobokou will bring him the glory

 

[jdasprawler]

With full info: J-man, he can outlast Itachi's susano'o, have his frogs snap out of Tsukuyomi, or probably use his Swamp jutsu to beat Susano'o Itachi, not sure.

No info: J-man gets one shot by either Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi because it would be unexpected.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Itachi said if they fought, they would both die lol

yet had absolutely no fear on his face when jiraiya came back and confronted them, nor was he about to run for it. also ridiculous as itachi doesnt know jiraiyas powers

First of all, i'd like to point out the fact that all Itachi's genjutsu are made in close range battle. Whether it is against Kakashi, against Sasuke, or against Bee
Also, even without knowledge in part1, he directly created a counter for it in an instant with a fire sealing scroll

long after itachi ahd already left. and it was a small amount

Also, contrary to the popular belief, Kai release can break out of any genjutsus including Itachi's.

not true. shee couldnt break sasukes genjutsu because it completely locked his movement up. itachi can use a genjutsu that paralyses the opponent as seen briefly vs orochimaru

Anyway, like Jiraya also said, if yourself is incapable to break a genjutsu, you need a partner in this case. Jiraya always starts battles with summons as partners [1] [2] [3

no actually. and if your making him start out with summons then itachi starts out alreeady in MS mode. i mean why not? and thus no breaking is going to happen because its goddamn tsukiyomi

Since Kai release needs both hands to be together to be performed, it's for that reason Orochimaru struggled to break it. But Orochimaru could have broken it if he managed to put his hands together in time. He was already close to it even. It's for that reason that Itachi decided to interven before that

dont yuo think that is what happens here? genjutsu + cut jiraiyas head off

Jiraya who even already has knowledge on the jutsu.

lol he knows what it is. he doesnt know
1. the prep time needed
2. how it works (igniting what you look at)
3. whether it can be extinguished

This is also confirmed by the databook

shikaku said itachi can use long range genjutsu

Sasuke for example was able to avoid it during a while and use a subtitution to counter the jutsu.

not this again. itachi did not want to kill sasuke!

Jman already has knowledge on Amaterasu. So he would be really cautious if he were to fight Itachi.

absurd. having intel is not enough.

With full info: J-man, he can outlast Itachi's susano'o, have his frogs snap out of Tsukuyomi

there is no way to bring frogs out fast enough to stop either finger genjutsu or amaterasau

 

[Owarij]

black flames shoot out itachi's eyes, Jiraya starts crying in pain . Match ends.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Totsuka GG

Amaterasu GG

Tsukuyomi GG

 

[deidara senpai]

they are honestly dead equal but i do give it to itachi more the jman

 

[Misconception]

Itachi wins he can controll his summonings... Jiraiya has no counter for Amaterasu Genjutsu or Susanoo...

 

[Draegod]

I solo'd the site (i was known to do that back in the day allot) already on this topic! Jman wins!

 

[VolatileSoul]

Itachi would win and would only need MS if by some miracle Jiraiya managed to go into Sage Mode. But it kinda depends on where they are fighting. Against Pain, Jiraiya used the surroundings to his advantage. If he and Itachi were fighting there, Jiraiya would have a good shot at winning. Should it be in a nice open area were he has no place to hide or run away for Sage Mode, then he loses low diff.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Honestly this one guy gave a very compelling argument for how jiraiya wins. Before his argument i'd say itachi med diff, but this could actually go either way. I can debate either of these titans, but it all comes down to whether jiraiya gets genjutsu shat on like orochimaru did. That's really itachi's only advantage.

 

[Owarij]

First of all, i'd like to point out the fact that all Itachi's genjutsu are made in close range battle. Whether it is against Kakashi, against Sasuke, or against Bee

This is also confirmed by the databook

Quote Originally Posted by Databook
NINJUTSU; KEKKEI GENKAI; Tsukuyomi
User: Uchiha Itachi
Supplementary; Close range; Rank: none

Bogard, You've been shut down so many times with this dumb argument already .... the databook states that the range given is where the technique works BEST.....You can use visual genjutsu as far as both you and your opponent can make eye contact... Sasuke put deidara in a visual genjutsu when he was pretty much either mid or long distance...

Not even going to argue this topic when the winner is clear as day