Itachi vs Hiashi

[Made in Heaven]

So Byakursn user are immune to genjustu now lol

Where did I say they're immune to genjutsu ? No where. I just said they can counter it perfectly.

 

[-Akuma-]

Where did I say they're immune to genjutsu ? No where. I just said they can counter it perfectly.

How? Espically Tusukomi which last a few seconds.

 

[Made in Heaven]

How? Espically Tusukomi which last a few seconds.

Closing their eye lids from the get-go.

 

[-Akuma-]

Closing their eye lids from the get-go.

Hiashi is not fighting Itachi with his eyes closed plus Itachi has shown he doesn't eye contact.

 

[Trúth]

Itachi simply blitzes in all three sceanrios. Hiashi has no reaction or speed feats that would make him capable of dodging any Shunshin attacks from Itachi. MS is not needed. Susano'o is not needed.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Hiashi is not fighting Itachi with his eyes closed plus Itachi has shown he doesn't need eye contact.

Yes, he is, as he can close his eyes in order to prevent Itachi from using any of his visual genjutsu [which is solely what his genjutsu is] and see through his eye lids using Byakugan's abilities.

All genjutsu either requires eye contact or hearing it, hence Visual and Sound genjutsu. Every single one of Itachi's genjutsus are visual in some shape or form. so none of them will be working on Hiashi if he keeps his eyes closed.

 

[Transcendence]

The underrating of Hiashi here is insane.

> Genjutsu is useless here. Hiashi can see the build-up of chakra in Itachi's eye and know Genjutsu is coming based on the chakra flow. He then breaks out via Kai: Release or just doesn't look into his eyes at all. Any Genjutsu bar Tsukuyomi is useless under this pre-tense.
> Amaterasu and any other possible projectile is countered by Rotation and Hiashi's rotation in particular is incredibly strong.
> No Susano'o makes this so much more even than people are giving it here.

Hiashi's Air Palm was able to knock back the Juubi's tail which is many times larger than Itachi's Susano'o. Not to mention superior insight via the Byakugan and superior Taijutsu, unless Itachi has Susano'o, he's losing those scenario's. I'd say in the non-MS restricted ones, high diff either way, but with MS restricted, Hiashi takes it mid diff at most.

 

[BLAZE]

The underrating of Hiashi here is insane.

> Genjutsu is useless here. Hiashi can see the build-up of chakra in Itachi's eye and know Genjutsu is coming based on the chakra flow. He then breaks out via Kai: Release or just doesn't look into his eyes at all. Any Genjutsu bar Tsukuyomi is useless under this pre-tense.
> Amaterasu and any other possible projectile is countered by Rotation and Hiashi's rotation in particular is incredibly strong.
> No Susano'o makes this so much more even than people are giving it here.

Hiashi's Air Palm was able to knock back the Juubi's tail which is many times larger than Itachi's Susano'o. Not to mention superior insight via the Byakugan and superior Taijutsu, unless Itachi has Susano'o, he's losing those scenario's. I'd say in the non-MS restricted ones, high diff either way, but with MS restricted, Hiashi takes it mid diff at most.

with wut speed feat
Hiashi isn't A

 

[Made in Heaven]

Itachi simply blitzes in all three sceanrios. Hiashi has no reaction or speed feats that would make him capable of dodging any Shunshin attacks from Itachi. MS is not needed. Susano'o is not needed.

Itachi's speed isn't that far superior to Hiashi's, and in any case, Body Flicker is a common ninja ability, much like transformation or wall-standing, so every ninja logically has it.

And Byakugan has been shown to be able to keep up w/ high speed, so Itachi can't use such an ability to blitz him, since this would allow Hiashi to keep up w/ him and react accordingly w/ chakra expulsion in order to block Itachi's attempts at landing any hits on him, which would then be followed by a taijutsu counter.

with wut speed feat
Hiashi isn't A

His eyes could still sense Amaterasu and somewhat keep up w/ it's speed. He could use Twin Lion Fists to absorb the attack or Repel it using Rotation. Alternatively, he can provide himself w/ a full-body protection by using a chakra cloak, much like what Naruto did against Sasuke.

Hiashi has quite a handful of counters he could use to defend against Amaterasu.

Now, in the off chance that Hiashi does get caught with Amaterasu, which is rather impossible, given that he can continuously shroud himself with a chakra cloak, he could simply use One Blow Body in a fashion similiar to what Nagato did with Shinra Tensei, and push the flames off of his body.

 

[Torche]

Itachi clears.

 

[Transcendence]

with wut speed feat
Hiashi isn't A

Doesn't need to be.

Rotation doesn't take that long to actually use. And again -> Byakugan insight will already tell Hiashi when there's chakra build-up, which tells him when to initiate rotation.

 

[Trúth]

Itachi's speed isn't that far superior to Hiashi's, and in any case, Body Flicker is a common ninja ability, much like transformation or wall-standing, so every ninja logically has it.

And Byakugan has been shown to be able to keep up w/ high speed, so Itachi can't use such an ability to blitz him, since this would allow Hiashi to keep up w/ him and react accordingly w/ chakra expulsion in order to block Itachi's attempts at landing any hits on him, which would then be followed by a taijutsu counter.

- Yes it most certainly is until you prove otherwise.

@Bold: Laughable. Hiashi has zero feats with it. It is not comparable to Itachi's.

- Yeah right. Sasuke's sharingan couldn't even keep up with Bee's speed. Byakugan isn't keeping up with Itachi. He blitzes. You're only lucky the OP gave Hiashi intel. Or this would be even worse for the poor guy.

 

[BLAZE]

His eyes could still sense Amaterasu and somewhat keep up w/ it's speed.

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He could use Twin Lion Fists to absorb the attack or Repel it using Rotation. alternatively, he can provide himself w/ a full-body protection by using a chakra cloak, much like what Naruto did against Sasuke.

Damn part 2

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Classification: Taijutsu/Kekkei Genkai
Rank: No Rank
Class: Offensive
Range: Short-Range
User(s): Hinata Hyūga

Heading: Strong will held in the fists!! Its form is double lion heads!!

A secret high-level Gentle Fist technique, taught only to the main family of the Hyūga Clan. By changing the shape of Chakra released from both hands, [the user] greatly increases reach and destructive power. The arms become entirely like lions which drain the Chakra network of those they touch.

Because it will fail at even the slightest mistake in Chakra control, it is extremely difficult to learn this ability, which is a feat that requires the Byakugan.

Doesn't need to be.

Rotation doesn't take that long to actually use. And again -> Byakugan insight will already tell Hiashi when there's chakra build-up, which tells him when to initiate rotation.

Survives once
Itachi can spam it as seen against Hebi sasuke

 

[Made in Heaven]

- Yes it most certainly is until you prove otherwise.

@Bold: Laughable. Hiashi has zero feats with it. It is not comparable to Itachi's.

- Yeah right. Sasuke's sharingan couldn't even keep up with Bee's speed. Byakugan isn't keeping up with Itachi. He blitzes. You're only lucky the OP gave Hiashi intel. Or this would be even worse for the poor guy.

Databook speed of their's is only a difference of one. There's your proof.

Never said it was comparable, simply said that it's something common among all ninjas.

Are you implying Itachi is as fast as V1 Bee ?

Byakugan was able to keep up w/ 5th gate lee's speed and Obito's sealing technique, the latter being extraordinarily fast. Even if he wasn't able to fully keep up w/ his speed, Byakugan would still help greatly in allowing him to counter, like shrouding himself in chakra to prevent any of Itachi's Taijutsu from landing on him or preparing Rotation.

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I'm officially done arguing w/ you. Can you even debate properly for once ?

 

[BLAZE]

I'm officially done arguing w/ you. Can you even debate properly for once ?

Coming from the person who says this :leaf:

1.Itachi's speed isn't that far superior to Hiashi's
2.He could use Twin Lion Fists to absorb the attack


Learn to post feats becoz next thing u may say is Sakura's speed is equal to Itach

 

[Transcendence]

Damn

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Damn part 2

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Classification: Taijutsu/Kekkei Genkai
Rank: No Rank
Class: Offensive
Range: Short-Range
User(s): Hinata Hyūga

Heading: Strong will held in the fists!! Its form is double lion heads!!

A secret high-level Gentle Fist technique, taught only to the main family of the Hyūga Clan. By changing the shape of Chakra released from both hands, [the user] greatly increases reach and destructive power. The arms become entirely like lions which drain the Chakra network of those they touch.

Because it will fail at even the slightest mistake in Chakra control, it is extremely difficult to learn this ability, which is a feat that requires the Byakugan.

Survives once
Itachi can spam it as seen against Hebi sasuke

Itachi never spammed Amaterasu at all. He used it once IIRC and it's far less useable in succession than Rotation is. Hiashi could just use rotation again.

 

[Trúth]

Databook speed of their's is only a difference of one. There's your proof.

Never said it was comparable, simply said that it's something common among all ninjas.

Are you implying Itachi is as fast as V1 Bee ?

Byakugan was able to keep up w/ 5th gate lee's speed and Obito's sealing technique, the latter being extraordinarily fast. Even if he wasn't able to fully keep up w/ his speed, Byakugan would still help greatly in allowing him to counter, like shrouding himself in chakra to prevent any of Itachi's Taijutsu from landing on him or preparing Rotation.

- That isn't proof at all. You do realize that the Databook stats aren't meant to be compared? It's the characters growth in a fixed field, otherwise we could compare Tsunade's and Base Gai's physical strength. Both get a five, but one of Gai's greatest feats in base is punching a man through a wall whereas Tsunade crushed a castle casually.

Hiashi has displayed no feats to put him on Itachi's shusin level. Period. Take a seat, cry in the corner, I don't care.

- Then there is literally no argument to be had here.

- 3T Sasuke unable to keep up with Bee.

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Itachi keeping up with Bee and Naruto with ease.

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- I need scans or at least a link to the chapter. Your word means less than nothing when you've been known to say things like Raikage's Raiton Armor (focus on the word armor) held no defensive capability.

 

[super yang]

hiashi prolly wins #1 by feats, as strange as that sounds

 

[BLAZE]

Itachi never spammed Amaterasu at all. He used it once IIRC and it's far less useable in succession than Rotation is. Hiashi could just use rotation again.

I meant he was able to use it to keep up with Sasuke's speed and ultimately catch him.Wut will Hiashi do when rotation ends

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[Made in Heaven]

- That isn't proof at all. You do realize that the Databook stats aren't meant to be compared? It's the characters growth in a fixed field, otherwise we could compare Tsunade's and Base Gai's physical strength. Both get a five, but one of Gai's greatest feats in base is punching a man through a wall whereas Tsunade crushed a castle casually.

Hiashi has displayed no feats to put him on Itachi's shusin level. Period. Take a seat, cry in the corner, I don't care.

- Then there is literally no argument to be had here.

- 3T Sasuke unable to keep up with Bee.

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Itachi keeping up with Bee and Naruto with ease.

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- I need scans or at least a link to the chapter. Your word means less than nothing when you've been known to say things like Raikage's Raiton Armor (focus on the word armor) held no defensive capability.

Why not ? Where did it say they can't be compared and are only showing the growth of characters? Where ?

Tsunade uses CES to increase her strength, so that wouldn't count as base.

Looks like he was blocking those swords, if you ask me. so yes, he was keeping up w/ him rather well.

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