Itachi vs Fourth Raikage

[slimreaper]

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he couldn't break susanoo without the tsuchikage on his back helping him.

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[BlackFlame44]

he couldn't break susanoo without the tsuchikage on his back helping him.

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Madara's yes but itachi's will be a different story

 

[AGoodBoy]

Madara got sent flying

ok? Because flying injured him in anyway. So, he's going to send itachi flying and then what?

 

[slimreaper]

Madara's yes but itachi's will be a different story

you're right, itachi's will have yata mirror and will be final susanoo

 

[genii96]

kakashi told everyone else to keep their eyes closed so he had some kind of intel. and the raikage not being able to be put in a genjutsu under normal circumstances is pure speculation

no,if oyu look at a 3t wielder's eyes,you get caught,thats what kakashi thought itachi wanted to do,he didnt know itachi wanted to use his ms,only after suffering the effects did he understand it,he didnt know about the ms.
I didnt say Ay couldnt be put in genjutsu,i said he can fight a sharingan without looking at their eyes as he did with the 5 madaras he faced,also madara had the ems,and was beyond his prime,so he might have been an exception to this,sasuke had ms too when Ay looked at him.

OT,Ay just has to outlast him,which wont be hard,seeing as 3 ms jutsus basically means turning off his sharingan. Itachi's eyes arent so good,so his ama wont be as effective and more easily dodged.

 

[AGoodBoy]

no,if oyu look at a 3t wielder's eyes,you get caught,thats what kakashi thought itachi wanted to do,he didnt know itachi wanted to use his ms,only after suffering the effects did he understand it,he didnt know about the ms.
I didnt say Ay couldnt be put in genjutsu,i said he can fight a sharingan without looking at their eyes as he did with the 5 madaras he faced,also madara had the ems,and was beyond his prime,so he might have been an exception to this,sasuke had ms too when Ay looked at him.

OT,Ay just has to outlast him,which wont be hard,seeing as 3 ms jutsus basically means turning off his sharingan. Itachi's eyes arent so good,so his ama wont be as effective and more easily dodged.

he doesn't need ms.
Itachi can effortlessly dodge a V1 Ay like sasuke did. V2 is countered by his extremely quick execution of genjutsu and shadow clones. V2 is a speed burst. Itachi only has to avoid it for a second.

There's not many opponents that can force itachi to use his MS. Sasuke and kakashi are the very few exceptions because they're to extremely skilled and fast shinobi with a sharingan to back them up. Kabuto is another one but he's self explanitory.

 

[KidGamer65]

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Onoki powered his punch up using his technique.

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Ay isn't doing shit to a V2 Susanoo on his own.

OT: Itachi takes this mid diff.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Raikage has this.

Itachi can't keep Susanoo up long enough. He takes it down, he dies.

He puts it up, he dies from exhaustion.

 

[Prince Charles]

itachi takes this mid-high diff.

 

[Strict]

According to the manga, it's because of his reflexive speed. Sharingan can't keep up enough for him to be put in a genjutsu. In the scene during the kage summit, Sasuke was trying Sharingan genjutsu when Raikage was immobile and watching when he said that

Ēi: One down…

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Ēi: You and your Sharingan are no match for me!

Shī: Raikage-Sama's reflexes are on the same level as the late Yellow Flash...I'm impressed those three can even keep up.

Later notice that Madara had to go in the trouble of immobilising him when he was distracted to look Tsunade before puting him in a genjutsu, and A himself said "shit" a way to say he made a stupid mistake he should have never made

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And a page later, he added that "I of all people have been placed under a mere Sharingan genjutsu", which again shows it's something unusual that happened to him at that moment that should have never happened. Reason why he differenciate himself from others by claming high and loud "I of all people"

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Kishi clearly shows us all that for us to understand it doesn't work on guys like Raikage under normal circumstances

Pardon, this scan does not indicate that Sasuke was trying to perform a Genjutsu on Ēi. Him saying that the Sharingan would be no match for him was just him hyping himself. He could have also referred to the Sharingan's ability to predict movements, as he is able to escape from its sight. You contradicted yourself when you said that Sasuke failed to use a Genjutsu against Ēi when he was immobilized while on the other hand, he was caught successfully in Madara's Genjutsu after immobilization.

Madara's process in catching Ēi before putting a Genjutsu upon him is rather misinterpreted. He had to catch Ēi as he was distracted by Tsunade and eye contact had to be built up, unless you believe that Madara could cast a Genjutsu on him when he was standing with his back to him. Speed has nothing to do with Genjutsu resistance because if Ēi looks into the Sharingan, he automatically gets caught in it. Speed will certainly help him to escape from the Sharingan's sight and better prevent eye contact as he could attack from blind spots, but he avoiding eye contact while same time reacting at Amaterasu is rather not possible. Along the way, other Genjutsus pale in comparison with Tsukuyomi, which was explained as an instant Genjutsu. Once looked into Itachi's eyes, he will endure abidance for days within Tsukuyomi while in reality only an instant will elapse. Eye contact must be avoided completely for not to fall for this Genjutsu, but if he does this, he won't be able to react at Amaterasu unless you believe that Ēi will move with the maximum of his speed constantly while avoiding eye contact and regardless of this landing successful hits on Itachi. It's not like his maximum speed is constant, he uses his speed when it is needed, in order to avoid attacks and blitz his opponents (what isn't the case due to Susanoo anymore) but apart from that he also keeps stagnation. Reacting on something like Amaterasu through eye contact is one thing, but there is no body language which tells that one is going to use Genjutsu.

Let us internalize the moment when A notices that Sasuke activates his Mangekyo Sharingan:

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He keeps eye contact and he has to, as there is no other possibility to react at visual techniques like Amaterasu is for example. And this brief moment where he looks into his eyes is enough to cast Tsukuyomi.

Ēi has no way of harming Itachi when latter is keeping up his V2 Susanoo or even an in between of V1 and V2 [

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], so what will he do during the whole fight, running in circles with his maximum speed and closed eyes?

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

Itachi definitely takes this

 

[Optimistic]

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Now i know you're nothing but a bag of shit lmao.

 

[genii96]

he doesn't need ms.
Itachi can effortlessly dodge a V1 Ay like sasuke did. V2 is countered by his extremely quick execution of genjutsu and shadow clones. V2 is a speed burst. Itachi only has to avoid it for a second.

There's not many opponents that can force itachi to use his MS. Sasuke and kakashi are the very few exceptions because they're to extremely skilled and fast shinobi with a sharingan to back them up. Kabuto is another one but he's self explanitory.

sasuke didnt effortlessly dodge him,he just dodged one elbow,and how does itachi hurt him?,3t genjutsu wont work,he cant keep doging A,there is a difference between dodging one attack,and dodging several attacks,itachi isnt gonna keep it up for longmespecially as he is not close to A in taijutsu,fireballs and water jutsus are dodged easily,shurikens are dodged or defleced off the armour
v2 isnt just a burst of speed,he vanished from sasuke's sight and appeared at his left,essentially running a semicircle around an ms user. He had his fist in minato's face before minato could move a finger,madara who has the ems,cudnt dodge itmhe had to blockit,itachi has the ms,and his sickkness hinders his speed,at 3t he cant hope to even see A,let alone dodge him.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Itachi is the victor. Ay hasn't shown the capability to avoid eye contact while fighting simultaneously, so that particular method is more or less fan fiction. Even then, Itachi has shown alternate methods of placing one in Genjutsu [

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]. Besides that, disabling eye contact would just result in Ay being caught by Amaterasu. To dodge it, he must be able to see it; even with his V2 Shunshin, he barely dodged it [

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], so I fail to acknowledge his chances when he's supposedly looking away. Besides Genjutsu, Ay has nothing to penetrate Susano'o, and through Madara, we've seen that he isn't able to harm a ribcage/v2 [

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]. Taking all of these things into account, it's safe to say Ay loses.

 

[shelke]

Itachi takes this far too easily. Ae pumped a large number of Chakra, 'Bijuu level' into his V2 Cloak to avoid Sasuke's line of sight for a few seconds. If anyone believes he can do so for extended periods of time without killing himself of chakra exhaustion then that person is far too delusional.

The Scenario is a simple two plus two game here; if Ae look at the eyes to avoid Amaterasu, he's put under Tsukuyomi. If he does the exact opposite, he is taken out with a single focused Amaterasu and will be turned to ash like Danzo in a second. This is a non-debatable factor. Ae is not up to the mark or even a contender for any MS user. Itachi wins low difference. Yes, I went there.

 

[Prince Charles]

Ay wins high diff, Itachi will get outlasted and all of his attacks can be dodged with ease in V2

Chakra reserves dont always make a difference if the other opponent has one shot moves which Itachi has. It's about chakra control which Itach displayed when he out lasted a curse mark sasuke[

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Itachi's attack while I admit are avoidable to a man like Ay he is still vulnerable to them as seeing itachi incorporates his fighting style around his crow clones.

 

[Zexion~]

Itachi wins .. Mid diff ,even if he does know about Tsukuyomi he has no way to avoid it, Totska, and Tsukuyomi lead to his downfall

 

[AGoodBoy]

sasuke didnt effortlessly dodge him,he just dodged one elbow,

Sasuke and his entire team dodged/heeld their own against V1 ay. Infact, Ay's V1 speed is incredibly overrated

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to ay and bee was roughly

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far away, while ay was standing infront of naruto.
That same base bee was easily reacted to by kisame [417/

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], and by

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(many more scans of this simple feat); And don't even let me go into V1 bee who sasuke was able to effortlessly react to. Now, i know you'd probably go on and on about this is killer bee not ay, so let's go look at ay.

There's the case of;

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reacting to V1 Ay.

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reacting to V1 Ay

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reacting to V1 Ay

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outspeeding V1 Ay

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reacting to V1 Ay after beiing

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, and that's with his rinnegan active, not even the predictive sharingan.

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reaching madara faster than a ay.

All these people have been fast enough to react to a V1 ay. Ay is not that fast in V1. He's probably a few clicks above base minato and V1 bee. Maybe even slower than V1 bee. The real problem is when Ay goes V2 as he begins to Shushin then -

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as ay goes, what is known to us, as 'V2' right after shi mentions he's going to use shushin. Shushin is body flicker; It is a short burst of speed through the use of one's chakra. Ay pours more chakra into his raiton cloak to boost the already high raiton armor boost the cloak provides.. Ay uses shushin to cover short distances extremely quickly and overwhelm his opponents with speed; It's the equivalent of minato using FTG - He doesn't have it permanently active.

To think that itachi can't react to ay is pure fantasy. Itachi has had some of the most unimaginable speed feats in the manga. Itachi's moved at feats greater than a sharingan can perceive. He's moved at speeds faster than bee could perceive, with naruto only noticing due to sensor abilities. You've heard all of itachi's wank, so i don't need to lube my hands and wank him more. The only version of ay that can ever possibly outspeed itachi is V2, and even then, due to his surpreme jutsu execution, itachi would have subbed out a shadow clone before ay even hit him as even

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. When Ay does his shushin V2 boost, itachi simply uses a kage bushin (executed so fast that not even kakashi or kurenai or asuma noticed) to sub himself out and let ay waste his V2.

Anyway, i've wasted enough time on this fragment alone; let's continue to the rest of your claim.

and how does itachi hurt him?,3t genjutsu wont work,he cant keep doging A,there is a difference between dodging one attack,and dodging several attacks,itachi isnt gonna keep it up for longmespecially as he is not close to A in taijutsu,fireballs and water jutsus are dodged easily,shurikens are dodged or defleced off the armour

Genjutsu for one. Your 3t genjutsu claim is not only baseless, it's also complete rubbish. Ay can break it like everyone else, but he isn't immune to 3t genjutsu. Especially when almost all of itachi's 3t genjutsu is based on diversion, they will all achieve their goal of redirecting ay's attention and getting itachi out of dodge. To claim that ay is immune to 3t genjutsu when not even a sharigan user (kakashi and sasuke), perfect jin( bee ) or animal(manda, kyuubi) is, is just ridiculous. What genjutsu feats does ay posses to back that claim? Being trapped by madara's genjutsu?

To assume Itachi isn't close to ay in taijutsu is just foolish. Ay isn't a taijutsu master. Gai is far better at taijutsu than him. So is lee, kakashi and sasuke. Ay's advantage is his speed and strength which do not require him to have much taijutsu prowess as he can kill an opponent with one hit. Dropping a foot, body slamming, a chop, or using an elbow takes no taijutsu skill; They're all power attacks. In any case, Itachi won't beat him with taijutsu so i'll just end this here. I will admit, we have not seen much kill moves from itachi to know what exactly he has that can kill ay, but between shuriken, fire jutsu, water jutsu, and genjutsu (that is going to work for a period of time), ay will eventually go down for the count. Bringing an MS move into the equation (tsukuyomi, amaterasu, susano'o, magatama's, etc) is just over kill.

Oh, and yes, itachi will be dodging ay for as long as his stamina holds up. Itachi doesn't need to boost his abilities to acheive the feat, the same way sasuke didn't. moving his legs won't kill him in 2 minutes, therefore a V1 ay isn't much of a threat. Infact, ay would most likely be feating gen and shadow bushins half the time.

As to your next point, I can't claim that shuriken won't bounce off ay, but he isn't dodging everything. Itachi is able to through kunai on target even when he can't see his opponent. He can through shuriken into opponent's blindspots (even the blindspot of someone with a rinnegan), and can use paralysing genjutsu to temporarily paralyse ay. Madara, for one, showed us that ay can be paralysed by genjutsu and would require another user to break him out. The, even, one second ay will be paralysed is enough for him to eat up 10 shuriken. His body isn't like his father, it'll crumble. Sasuke was even able to penetrate him with a very watered down chidori(seeing as ay's armor would absorb alot of the raiton from the attack reducing it to a jab). Ay's body isn't that durable. His speed allowed him to survive whats-his-name's transportation.

v2 isnt just a burst of speed,he vanished from sasuke's sight and appeared at his left,essentially running a semicircle around an ms user. He had his fist in minato's face before minato could move a finger,madara who has the ems,cudnt dodge itmhe had to blockit,itachi has the ms,and his sickkness hinders his speed,at 3t he cant hope to even see A,let alone dodge him.

It is. To move fast enough to leave sasuke's eyesight means he traveled to the left in under a second. From the time he hit sasuke, and started guillotine drop his V2 was already up.
Minato swung his arm 60 degrees and threw a kunai farther than he moved in 1 second. Minato's kunai moved fater than him.
Madara was blind sided as my i pointed out above, seeing as he had to move his eye to the side to see a fist in his fast, and was still able to put a fist up intime.
sickness hinders his speed? yes, that's true, but he was still fast enough to stay toe to toe with Sasuke in speed, only being beaten by a rigged kunai. that same sasuke then went straight on to fight bee after barely recovering from the fight, and was able to dodge bee. Unless you believe sasuke trained in a tsukuyomi for 3 years, it was the same sasuke itachi fought.
You overestimate Ay. Everyone's seen his V1 thus far, but you believe 3t itachi can't see him. Itachi must be retarded. Itachi 3t wins with smarts; I can't tell you what finisher he uses because all we know that can kill (from otheer people, mind you) is his MS abilities.

 

[Zexion~]

Doesn't make any difference. Ay outlasts him.

U_U.. No he doesn't

 

[Zexion~]

Itachi has the worst stamina in the akatsuki while Ay has bijuu chakra level, do the maths

Itachi has some of the best offense in the manga.. while Ay does not, he gets shit on by the MS whether his stamina is bad or not