Itachi vs DSM Kabuto

itachi or kabuto

  • Itachi

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Brother Numpsay

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1. I just explain to you how Ao figured out Danzo was using a genjustu.

White eyes allow you to identify people's chakra by color, Ao asked Danzo if he was using Shushui's eyes.

If he already knew he wouldn't ask that question in the first place... :|
No one deny Ao using White eyes to figure out genjutsu is being used.

White eyes can see chakra build.[ ]

-Itachi used KA on kabuto to break out of Edo tensei without eye contact, so I have no idea what this bull is about anyway.
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Yes there was eye contact.. Amaterasu works focusing their eye on the target. Naruto was his original target[ ].

2. I implied that manga stream translation is just as bad/good as manga reader.
Sometimes they're wrong, sometimes right, all I need is Viz translation which is 100% correct.

Ok but so far which one makes sense? The context of speaking about Izanami and how it works, or the context randomly how Genjutsu doesn't work on the same eyes.

3. Obito just said that a genjustu was pointless, it didn't work on Kakashi because he can see through it with Obito's eyes.


You just proved nothing...

Itachi said the something to Sasuke when he was faking his defeat. Genjutsu works, period. The sharingan can see through genjutsu, and one personally chakra control break it, period.
 

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No one deny Ao using White eyes to figure out genjutsu is being used.

White eyes can see chakra build.[ ]

Nowhere did it say that chakra was building up, so cut it out with the assumption.

Ao said that it's a powerful genjustu that gets into people's minds and control them without them knowing.

No eye contact was made..

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Yes there was eye contact.. Amaterasu works focusing their eye on the target. Naruto was his original target[ ].

Amatersu is completely different than KA, so you are going nowhere with this...

Itachi rigged the crow to react to his Mangekyo Sharingan on eye contact (for Sasuke).

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Kabuto just got hit with a genjustu without even making eye contact with the crow.

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So cut the crap of all these assumptions..

Ok but so far which one makes sense? The context of speaking about Izanami and how it works, or the context randomly how Genjutsu doesn't work on the same eyes.

It's saying that since you can't cast a genjustu on those with the same eyes as you (people took other clansmen eyes for Inzangi), Inzanami was created to stop them.

So my translation was a lot more accurate than yours...

Itachi said the something to Sasuke when he was faking his defeat. Genjutsu works, period. The sharingan can see through genjutsu, and one personally chakra control break it, period.

What?

Itachi said that only sharingan with Uchiha blood can break his genjustu.

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So at that time Sasuke didn't have the same eyes as him, but once Sasuke implanted Itachi's eyes, itachi's genjustu

became useless towards him because you cannot cast a genjustu on someone who literally has your eyes.

That's why he was waiting to us Shushui's eyes on Sasuke:

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I want to see an actually argument now, instead of whos right and whos wrong on interpretation.
 

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Most of occular genjutsus works with eye contact and we don't actually know when and how Danzo casted KA on him.on top of that it is Danzo's eye not Itachi's,as u guys already knoweach eye carries different ability so saying it won't require eye contact ain't going to work here.

OT:Kabuto wins IMO.
 
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KA is useless

all sharingan genjutsu require eye contact, only exception is izanami which works on physical senses of two people and is different to other sharingan genjutsu

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-sasuke even questions that how can an ocular genjutsu work without eye-sight/eye contact
-itachi goes on to explain that izanami works on physical senses of two people rather than mentioning KA as an exception

KA requiring eye contact between itachi and crow

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as far as mifune is concerned he was sitting right in front of danzo and obviously looked at him and his eyes

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even if danzo's sharingan was covered with bandages, genjutsu could still be cast because sasuke used genjutsu on bee even though killer bee was wearing glasses, danzo could have used translucent bandages

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besides that with full intel, itachi may be able to counter kabuto's techniques like he did with sasuke's help but eventually he will run out as unliek kabuto he cannot afford spamming
 

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KA is useless



besides that with full intel, itachi may be able to counter kabuto's techniques like he did with sasuke's help but eventually he will run out as unliek kabuto he cannot afford spamming

Lol this is why I didn't want to either bother arguing with Vara interpretation. It will get no where. Anyway thanks for the clear up.
 

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I want to see an actually argument now, instead of whos right and whos wrong on interpretation.

Regular base genjustu is useless against ocular powers.

Still explains why Obito couldn't use genjustu against Kakashi.

Nothing changes

Sasuke used sharingan genjustu against Itachi, yet this scan says that you can't use base visual genjustu on ocular powers.
 
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Can you not take a panel out here please. Itachi is just saying you can't use normal vision-based genjutsu on the Sharingan, which is why Izanami works through physical contact (who are under Izanagi). Therefore only Izanami and Izanagi is the only genjutsu the doesnt require eye contact.

Source: Japanese reader.
 
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Can you not take a panel out here please. Itachi is just saying you can't use normal vision-based genjutsu on the Sharingan, which is why Izanami works through physical contact (who are under Izanagi).

Ya, that's exactly what I'm getting at here :|

You cannot use a normal base genjustu on a sharingan user.

So that whole, itachi needed Sasuke to break out of kabuto's genjustu is false.

Sasuke used a visual base genjustu on him, yet in that scan you provided it just said it was powerless.
(Not suppose to happen).
 

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Ya, that's exactly what I'm getting at here :|

You cannot use a normal base genjustu on a sharingan user.

So that whole, itachi needed Sasuke to break out of kabuto's genjustu is false.

Sasuke used a visual base genjustu on him, yet in that scan you provided it just said it was powerless.
(Not suppose to happen).

1.It never said it was not suppose to happen it just said it is powerless to use against each other. Two different meaning.
2. Kabuto Genjutsu is not Sharingan Genjutsu, so I dont know why this was brought up.
 

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1.It never said it was not suppose to happen it just said it is powerless to use against each other. Two different meaning.
2. Kabuto Genjutsu is not Sharingan Genjutsu, so I dont know why this was brought up.

Look, Sasuke cast a sharingan genjustu on itachi to break him out of the genjustu.

Itachi just said it was powerless to cast a sharingan user on someone with ocular powers.

That just contradict each other...
 

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Look, Sasuke cast a sharingan genjustu on itachi to break him out of the genjustu.

Itachi just said it was powerless to cast a sharingan user on someone with ocular powers.

That just contradict each other...

Sasuke and Itachi wasn't trying to break their Genjutsu, they were trying to break Kabuto's.
 

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Sasuke and Itachi wasn't trying to break their Genjutsu, they were trying to break Kabuto's.

They cast a genjustu on each other to break kabuto's...

Manga scan says they can't do that, because it is powerless.
 

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They cast a genjustu on each other to break kabuto's...

Manga scan says they can't do that, because it is powerless.

Its powerless because they can see through it, not because it can't be cast.
 

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Its powerless because they can see through it, not because it can't be cast.

Really now?

If they can see through it, they wouldn't of been set free from the snakes (in the genjustu)

At this point it's all assumptions...
 

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Really now?

If they can see through it, they wouldn't of been set free from the snakes (in the genjustu)

At this point it's all assumptions...

Seeing through Genjuts=/=automatically break it.

Only your are making assumptions. There was not once, not once, where a Sharingan vs Sharingan genjutsu doesn't need to be broken from each other.

Its useless if you dont have the chakra control and experience of breaking Genjutsu.

So the evidence once again falls on you, which you will never find.
 

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Seeing through Genjuts=/=automatically break it.

Only your are making assumptions. There was not once, not once, where a Sharingan vs Sharingan genjutsu doesn't need to be broken from each other.

Its useless if you dont have the chakra control and experience of breaking Genjutsu.

So the evidence once again falls on you, which you will never find.

Your the only one making up assumptions at this point :|

Just because you have chakra control, doesn't mean you automatically can break out of any genjustu.

DSM kabuto, Nagato, and Orochimaru fell pray to genjustu before.

Honestly you post more asspull than anyone else I know.
 

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Your the only one making up assumptions at this point :|

How am I making up assumptions?

You are suggesting that you cannot cast a visual genjutsu on a Sharingan.
Nothing supports this.

Just because you have chakra control, doesn't mean you automatically can break out of any genjustu.

Did I say automatically anywhere? My statement was clearly giving a requirement

DSM kabuto, Nagato, and Orochimaru fell pray to genjustu before.

Ok? This has something to do with Sharingan cannot be in a visual genjutsu because?

Honestly you post more asspull than anyone else I know.

Your too much. You decided to drag out this discussion without even starting a case between the two, pitted to fight.
 

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dsm kabuto wins med-high diff
 

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How am I making up assumptions?

You are suggesting that you cannot cast a visual genjutsu on a Sharingan.
Nothing supports this.



Did I say automatically anywhere? My statement was clearly giving a requirement



Ok? This has something to do with Sharingan cannot be in a visual genjutsu because?



Your too much. You decided to drag out this discussion without even starting a case between the two, pitted to fight.

I already won my case, that viz scan was all I need to shut you done and get a desperate interpretation of what is clearly written, that base visual genjustu is useless against a sharingan user.

Which explains Obito and kakashi's case and that it was all inzanami (ya, that's right the part were Sasuke case a genjustu on itachi is all part of inzanami).

Do you can quake all you want, Sasuke in reality didn't do sh*t, all he did was take a trip inside Inzanami.
 
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