I think that the Viz translation you posted agrees with me and not with you.
Is there any sense to debate this? Certainly not.Viz said:
The Databook doesn't need to specify this, because Kakashi's statement and common sense gives us the necessary information. Tsukuyomi doesn't necessarily kill the victim, yet Kakashi stated it could have. At least destroying his psyche to a point he is disabled for his entry life. Anyway that doesn't matter, because anyone would end with his spirit broken, due to the intensity of Tsukuyomi, from which we saw only a taste in Kakashi's case. So even if agreeing with you, Tsunade would have no chance in surviving Tsukuyomi and would end up with her spirit broken.
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And was caught later in a Genjutsu nevertheless [
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]. So what's your point? Most people know about the power of the Sharingan, yet anyone falls for it. Avoiding eye contact is no use, since the one casting the illusion could easily provoke the necessary eye contact. Whether Oonoki decides not to look into Itachi's eyes or will go on distance, Itachi could send out crows to distract him [
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] and then make him an easy target for Genjutsu [
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Flawed, when Itachi already caught a Kagebunshin of Kakashi within the realm of his Genjutsu [T Bogard said:
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]. The difference lies in Itachi's intention, who wanted to inflict mental torture on Kakashi, what however doesn't affect Kagebunshin. So the Genjutsu itself wasn't ineffective, the outcome was. Genjutsu can generally affect clones too, particularized a paralyzing one.Your whole argumentation regarding protection with clones is bullshit; how are you not tired by yourself? Itachi can create Kagebunshin and Karasubunshin as well, so what's your point? Being excellently skilled with feints and possessing outstanding speed, any Jinton technique is deductively countered with Bunshins, setting no harm on Itachi but draining Oonoki's Chakra reserves. The Manga taught use that the same trick, especially of that level, isn't gonna work twice. And since Itachi can do what Oonoki can also do, your subjectivity is misguided.T Bogard said:
But I guess as always, there is no point in lecturing you.
As for the Jinton, the Yata mirror's ability would allow Itachi to render it useless. Since the mirror has no physical form but is of spiritual matter, it can chance its size beyond of its initial form [
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I honestly see no point here, when the Magatamas almost broke through the golem, despite Gaara laid his perfect defense on top of it. Just as I don't see your point regarding Mokuton techniques, since the Golem was crushed with a single one.T Bogard said:
I didn't saw a single legit point in your entry post. The underground isn't Susanoo's weakness, at least not at the way you suppose it to be. The Chakra of Susanoo surrounds the users body, also his feet; he is completely surrounded by this energy. Only the bottom side of his feet is touching the ground, and yet, the user of Susanoo has shown the possibilities to avoid this little "disadvantage" [T Bogard said:
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