Itachi Uchiha vs Ohnoki and Tsunade

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Considering the fact she was able to heal people affected by Tsukiyomi and that Kakashi was able to hold a conversation after getting hit by one, she would be able to survive it by using the grace period afterward and using Byakugo.
She was able to heal Kakashi because she was able to operate on Kakashi. Byakugo would do nothing; Tsukuyomi's effects are instant and Byakugo won't have the necessary time to heal the mental trauma. You also forget Itachi wasn't trying to kill; he was a spy for Konoha so why would he want to kill one of its most trusted guardians?

That other guy is too dumb, sorry. Cut the part that has Amaterasu, looool.
 

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She was able to heal Kakashi because she was able to operate on Kakashi. Byakugo would do nothing; Tsukuyomi's effects are instant and Byakugo won't have the necessary time to heal the mental trauma. You also forget Itachi wasn't trying to kill; he was a spy for Konoha so why would he want to kill one of its most trusted guardians?

That other guy is too dumb, sorry. Cut the part that has Amaterasu, looool.
She healed him by touching his forehead.
Also the Byakugou no jutsu is an instant recover ability, tho it heals only the physical damage. The Tsukuyomi would still KO Tsunade ( not for long taking into consideration her incredible willpower, but for long enough for Itachi to deal with Onoki )
 

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She healed him by touching his forehead.
Also the Byakugou no jutsu is an instant recover ability, tho it heals only the physical damage. The Tsukuyomi would still KO Tsunade ( not for long taking into consideration her incredible willpower, but for long enough for Itachi to deal with Onoki )
@Bold - Proof?

Exactly, physical damage. She's getting KO'd for the rest of the fight. Her willpower won't be able to withstand torture in whichever way Itachi pleases for 72 hours. She's getting put on her back. As far as I recall, Kakashi was out for days. Tsunade is getting conked as well.
 

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@bold stop this nonsense.
It isn't nonsense, its pure logic. Even a fodder like part1 Kakashi was still standing after a Tsukuyomi. Someone like Tsunade [ best medical ninja, Senju + Uzumaki DNA, strong willpower, strong body ] needs only minutes to recover. You can disagree if you want, everyone can have an opinion.
 

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@Bold - Proof?

Exactly, physical damage. She's getting KO'd for the rest of the fight. Her willpower won't be able to withstand torture in whichever way Itachi pleases for 72 hours. She's getting put on her back. As far as I recall, Kakashi was out for days. Tsunade is getting conked as well.
She healed Sasuke by I assume she did the same with Kakashi.

Tsunade =/= Kakashi in terms of stamina and durability feats.
 
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She healed Sasuke by I assume she did the same with Kakashi.

Tsunade =/= Kakashi in terms of stamina and durability feats.
Uh, absolutely not. Itachi can alter the punishment dealt by Tsukuyomi, it's all in his hands. Against Kakashi, he had him crucified and was stabbing him for 72 hours, while he showed Sasuke's parents being killed. You can't hand over what she did to Sasuke over to Kakashi.

Do you know what durability is? Clearly you don't. The 3rd Raikage is durable. Naruto in his BM cloak is durable. Tsunade, is not durable. Her body can be pierced, sliced and hacked like any other body. She just has healing methods in order to overcome it. And it's funny you mention this, because the Databook states even a body as hard as steel would fall to Tsukuyomi, so her (not so) strong body isn't handling Tsukuyomi.
 

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It isn't nonsense, its pure logic. Even a fodder like part1 Kakashi was still standing after a Tsukuyomi. Someone like Tsunade [ best medical ninja, Senju + Uzumaki DNA, strong willpower, strong body ] needs only minutes to recover. You can disagree if you want, everyone can have an opinion.
Being a medic has nothing to do with it to begin with. Though her granddad and grandmother are Senju and Uzumaki, the strength of these DNA are drained through generations. And also, nothing suggests that an Uzumaki or Senju will have more psychical prowess than someone like Kakashi. And I also never saw feats of her willpower. What a strong willpower? Did you pull this out of your ass? I never saw strong will power of her.

Tsukuyomi sets no limits for Itachi. Anything is in Itachi's control within this realm, and he can cause anything he desires. The damage Itachi inflicted to Kakashi, was only a fraction of what he would be actually capable of, and yet Kakashi was disabled after Tsukuyomi and felt in coma for several weeks a moment later, relying on Tsunade's help. After Itachi did only pull out one of Sasuke's eyes within this Genjutsu, he fell on his knees after enduring this mental trauma. At a point, such a mental stress can simply lead to death. Therefore Kakashi was asking himself, why Itachi simply wouldn't have killed him.

Tsunade already endured being bisected. Within Tsukuyomi, Itachi could set on fire Tsunade for several days, while bisecting her over and over again and showing her pictures of Nawaki and Dan being slaughtered. No will power will let her endure this mental trauma. Nobody survives Tsukuyomi apart from Uchiha. Tsunade recovering after minutes by herself after receiving such an amount of mental damage is ridiculous.

But fine, as you said, everyone has his opinion.
 
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Uh, absolutely not. Itachi can alter the punishment dealt by Tsukuyomi, it's all in his hands. Against Kakashi, he had him crucified and was stabbing him for 72 hours, while he showed Sasuke's parents being killed. You can't hand over what she did to Sasuke over to Kakashi.

Do you know what durability is? Clearly you don't. The 3rd Raikage is durable. Naruto in his BM cloak is durable. Tsunade, is not durable. Her body can be pierced, sliced and hacked like any other body. She just has healing methods in order to overcome it. And it's funny you mention this, because the Databook states even a body as hard as steel would fall to Tsukuyomi, so her (not so) strong body isn't handling Tsukuyomi.
Uh, that's only an assumption.

You are talking about physical durability, I'm talking about mental you little piece of shit. She has a high tolerance for pain, as she was able to deliver a heavy kick to Orochimaru after being sliced in her shoulder, and stabbed through her chest. to still land a powerful blow to Orochimaru. She was also able to continue fighting against Madara's Susanoo despite being impaled through her abdomen with two Susanoo blades. Afte being bisected, she was still able to survive the ordeal, regain consciousness, summon Katsuyu, and survived long enough to start healing the other Kage...

But now that you mention her her physical durability.... it allowed her to survive Heavenly Transfer Technique with only minor injuries in the process. As far as I know Mabuti stated only the Raiakges can survive that technique, every other ninja would be ripped to shreds.



Anyways, probably this is my last post in this thread. I already admitted Shitachi wins with low-mid diff.
 

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Physical prowess =/= psychical prowess. The mentality is most humans weak point. The Uchiha are the one blessed with strong spiritual energy. Tsukuyomi doesn't inflict damage. It lets you feel the pain and see the pictures Itachi desires within this realm. And after this illusion has ended, several days of torture is reflected at her within a second. No physical prowess will protect her, since all this pain is only suggested by Itachi.
 

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Uh, that's only an assumption.

You are talking about physical durability, I'm talking about mental you little piece of shit. She has a high tolerance for pain, as she was able to deliver a heavy kick to Orochimaru after being sliced in her shoulder, and stabbed through her chest. to still land a powerful blow to Orochimaru. She was also able to continue fighting against Madara's Susanoo despite being impaled through her abdomen with two Susanoo blades. Afte being bisected, she was still able to survive the ordeal, regain consciousness, summon Katsuyu, and survived long enough to start healing the other Kage...

But now that you mention her her physical durability.... it allowed her to survive Heavenly Transfer Technique with only minor injuries in the process. As far as I know Mabuti stated only the Raiakges can survive that technique, every other ninja would be ripped to shreds.



Anyways, probably this is my last post in this thread. I already admitted Shitachi wins with low-mid diff.
Ah, someone's upset I see? I would be too, I've shat on you like 3 times today already.

Everything you just said links to physical damage you absolute mook, lmfao. Mental trauma for 72 hours is a completely different type of pain, and so everything you just said is completely irrelevant. I applaud you for being able to pull so much shit out of your ass in one day though. If you're talking about mental, why did you mention durability? That links to her body, thus implying physical damage.

Because she used her Yin seal you mook... [ ]. Again, go learn what durability is. Because Tsunade isn't durable.
 
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Because she used her Yin seal you mook... [ ]. Again, go learn what durability is. Because Tsunade isn't durable.
Thx for the link, you can see Tsunade activated the seal AFTER the teleportation. And here is the scan where Tsunade states she suffered only minor wounds [ ] This feat proves she is more durable then the regular ninjas from fodder clans.

@Strict

I guess you have a point, but what makes you think Itachi has intel on Tsunade's past? Or now he can read her mind or what?
Anyways even Kakashi from a random clan wasn't KO-d instantly, there is no way the Tsukuyomi can oneshot Tsunade. It would surely damage her, but not as much as it did with Kakashi.
 

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I guess that since Tsukuyomi gives Itachi access to the victims mind, he can read whatever he wants about him through the memories recored within his mind. With Tsukuyomi, Itachi also forced Kabuto to "teach" him the seals to release Edo Tensei [ ]. After all, Tsukuyomi also works by showing the victim the pictures which he fears. So instead of producing the images by himself, Itachi could let Tsunade's mind endure the worst memories and images it holds.

K.O.ing the opponent instantly isn't the point of Tsukuyomi. After releasing the Genjutsu, there is a brief moment where the trauma caused within this Genjutsu is reflected at the victims real self. After Itachi ripped off Sasuke's eye, latter fell on his knees after his body realized this shock, but not immediately after the Genjutsu stopped. The point is, that Kakashi fell into coma for several weeks without a visible recovery, because his mentality was broken. No matter whether you are instantly K.O.ed or receive the aftermath a moment later.

If you assume Tsunade to recover by herself after minutes (what is an assumption which is based on nothing), I, on the other hand can say, that the amount of mental damage Itachi can inflict on Tsunade, can be ten times stronger than against Kakashi, since Itachi can do and cause whatever he wants within this realm. To a point Kakashi implied, that a certain level of this technique could kill you. Tsunade could be killed by Tsukuyomi indeed, if Itachi inflicted the worst amount of psychical trauma on her. It's a moment where her spirit is broken or brain death occurs.
 
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Kakashi indeed wondered about the reason why Itachi didn't kill him, but not only the reason behind this statement could have different interpretations(like he could be asking why not try to kill him when he was that badly affected by the jutsu?), but Kakashi himself had no prior knowledge concerning the jutsu during that fight, because during their second encounter he did notice Itachi became weary to immediately leave the fight because of the risks of the jutsu [ ]

Either for more knowledgeable ones like Zetsu or Kisame or even in the databook, nowhere was it stated tsukuyomi can kill

Viz said:
Kakashi: (Thinking) Unh... I see... Three days in that realm and less than a moment passed in this one... Why not kill me? If he wanted to he could...
(Saying out loud) Ugh... It's still... affecting me...
Kisame: Hm....after all that the fool's spirit is intact...meanwhile you've overused those eyes of yours, you know that's dangerous.
Databook said:
Namely, this means inside the genjutsu, the physical world's common sense is completely irrelevant and opposing the caster is impossible. Somebody caught into the Tsukuyomi find themselves into a strange world of infinity, their fate entirely lying inside the caster's hands. Some time, they will undergo the torments of Hell, and some other time, they will be repeatedly shown a horrendous, hellish picture of agony and mayhem*, with no idea of when either of those will end. As a result, the poor prisoner can only wait until the collapse of their psyches...!!
Tsukuyomi is a jutsu that makes the prisoner's spirit collapse by showing torments of hell or some things like this. You can verify and you'll notice databook never stated tsukuyomi could kill people

Zetsu(a neutral one who didn't care about the outcome of the fight) made the point that since Sasuke ate tsukuyomi, he won't be capable to move
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Notice he didn't think Sasuke would die. He only stated that the fact he received Tsukuyomi, his body won't move anymore

Later again, all his concern was about how he didn't collapse after receiving tsukuyomi
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So i don't think Tsukuyomi can kill, but the result won't be that different anyway since the opponent would be greatly handicapped after eating one

OT: I consider Onoki as the superior one so i'd give it to his team
 
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I liked your post until your spouted this non sense. :yeah:
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Onoki also has a great experience fighting a much more power MS(and even EMS) user since a young age, so it should be expected that he already know basical things that should be avoided. And he has even already shown he is aware about Sharingan genjutsus, probably thanks to that experience fighting Madara or even before that. And we can clearly see it when he advise others not to look directly into his eyes

Onoki not looking into Uchiha eyes when he fights give less chances to Itachi to affect him with genjutsu

For more preventions, he can even use rock bunshins as we know it's useless to cast genjutsu on clones

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This move also protects him from Amaterasu, a move Itachi still needs to to use even in Edo form, something that could leave him open for an attack

Using clones also helps Onoki to proceed and send the rock clones to immobilise Itachi's Susanoo like he did against 5Madara's Susanoo [ ] if Itachi decided to create one

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And we've seen Madara's clones inside their Susanoo were so paralysed that they couldn't even either deactivate Susanoo in time or dodge Jinton [ ] [ ]

And if Jinton comes out, it's game over for Itachi

Besides from that, Onoki has shown to have also incredible golem he can use to himself even against , or against powerful displaying then great defensive techniques

He has also shown that he was able to use his golem to from underground and , something he can surely use to take advantage of Susanoos weakness for example(underground)

Onoki for me has all the advantages needed to win this fight
 
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