Itachi: The Ethics Of Utilitarianism and Moral Relativism

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"People live their lives bound by what they accept as correct and true. That's how they define "reality". But what does it mean to be "correct" or "true"? Merely vague concepts… their "reality" may all be a mirage. Can we consider them to simply be living in their own world, shaped by their beliefs?"

This is one of Itachi's most famous quotes, it deals with the issue of subjectivity and moral relativism concerning the meta-ethics of moral judgment, by meta-ethics, it pertains to the question whether an act or belief is universally right or wrong or whether the moral act itself is relative to each person, the latter, which he adheres to, pertains to the futility of the adjudication of moral acts through the standards of universality because there exists none.

The moral relativist claims that there are no absolutes, that there is always vicissitudes in morality, take for example cannibalism, in the past it was seen as a duty and a moral good, while today's standards view it as barbaric, the "ought" in this matter is not something inherent within the individual, but rather, relative to the explanation of "ought" through the instruction of duty and paradigmatic concepts.

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Take for example Itachi massacring his clansmen, in the perspective of a Shinobi, it is the duty of a Shinobi to act for the greater good of his village. In killing his parents and his clan, the greater good is achieved, which is the sustaining of the peace of the Shinobi world, in another's point of view however, this is mere butchery, that killing by any reason is mere extenuation of the immoral act of murder. The indication of correctness or "ought" for Itachi is the dissatisfaction of a particular unit (The Hokage, Danzo, The Village Elders) its' difference to ethical solipsism is that Itachi is in agreement with them, that it is for the greater good of Konoha and of the Shinobi World

Itachi's actions are also within the paradigmatic belief of rightness or wrongness of an act in terms of consequences and not personal sentiments. Some would have held that although it's lamentable to have Itachi perform the act, yet the balance in the long run leads to the greater good. One could argue about the inherent unknowable consequences of acts, that the assignment of a precise utility value to an act is an impossibility, since whether Itachi killed his clan or not, the war or the ensuing bloodbath would've still occur, however despite the non-foreseeability of the ensuing war, the moral impulse of utilitarianism which is the correct application of the rational principle of the act concurrent to the moment it was committed justifies its' execution, that the immediate beneficence of Itachi killing the Uchihas is that which valuates his actions.
 

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So it's okay if I say I don't like gays n' lesbian love???
 

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I thought we knew all this??

Nonetheless, nice find/observation.
 

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Derp take a break already! We get it you're a smart Rikudo in your own right.
 

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It's an insightful take on the reasoning and logic behind his actions for sure. I can't help but think that USSJFutureTrunks would have a hayday with this thread though. xD
 

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Making good use of your thesaurus I see....very nice explanation ;)
 

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Excellent work Derp. You truly are in a different tier to the majority.​
 

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Excellent work Derp. You truly are in a different tier to the majority.​

Thanks, the meta-ethical judgment of Itachi's actions should not be based on the paradigm of moral universalim, for Itachi does not adhere to such a notion, but to the hermeneutics of moral relativism and utilitarianism.
 

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Thanks, the meta-ethical judgment of Itachi's actions should not be based on the paradigm of moral universalim, for Itachi does not adhere to such a notion, but to the hermeneutics of moral relativism and utilitarianism.

Do you adhere to moral universalism? More specifically, do you accept the notion of an absolute morality?

Side-note: Derp, I love you. :yayy:​
 

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Do you adhere to moral universalism? More specifically, do you accept the notion of an absolute morality?

Side-note: Derp, I love you. :yayy:​

I do not, for like the universe which is in a state of constant motion, morality is also in a constant state of flux.
 

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I agree and all, but I don't see what this thread's point is...
 

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as much as i hate that particular event, i understand it was inevitable.
 

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What we, as humans, consider "Immoral" and "Moral" change as we advance through life.

For instance,

It's considered trashy to have kids before marriage,but where's the logic behind that? In the future, I believe, we'll rid ourselves of these illogical cultural/religious/societal doctrines...because virtually, they provide no direct benefits.

And next time, try to take it easy on the thesaurus, to make it more comprehensible enough for those with smaller mental capacities.

Edit:We're heading in the right direction, concerning our ideologies.
 
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I agree and all, but I don't see what this thread's point is...

An elucidation of Itachi's standpoint and pointing out the categorical error of applying moral universalism in pronouncing a meta-ethical judgment of his actions.

I wholesomely agree.

Ignoring that last part are we? Lol​

The only constancy is the inconstancy of the universe, paradoxical is it not? ;)
 
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See, this is why I like Itachi.

He isn't swallowed into a system and then corrupted by it (Shinobi/clan system). He abides by his own thoughts and ethics and they get him through.

Pertaining to this quote, Itachi is spot on with it. So many things in life can be subjective, and change based on a person's values/morals/beliefs.

This might be a terrible example of subjectivity but....

Take two families. Family A is a family known for their barbaric eating habits whereas Family B is known for proper etiquette. If Family A were to go eat at Family B's home then Family B would probably be repulsed by the eating habits. Whereas if the scenario was switched, Family A would wonder why Family B is not eating there food fast, since food is so "good". It's entirely subjective based on one's view (Like Itachi states).

I believe all this (Moral relativism) is one reason why world peace is nothing but a dream that can never be obtained. If people can never understand each other (aka Mutual understanding) for who each person is, peace is nothing but a pipe-dream because every off set habit that one person(s) exhibits can completely repulse one person and adhere to the next.

That and well... Nobody really has the will or the time to drive World Peace down the World's theoretical throat.
 

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