Itachi or Madara? Smartest

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Title.

Who's the smartest of the two?

  • Overall Intelligence.
  • Battle Intelligence.
  • Strategic Intelligence.
  • Any other Intelligence you can think of..
I see Itachi as a smarter ninja. No wank. Just telling it how it is.
Madara is smarter of the two in battle; he shown to have great battle sense when he needs to but since he only had one true competition his whole life, he never needed to use strategies against weaker foes. When fighting the Alliance he took out HQ because he knew attacking the mind is an important part of a battle. He analyzed all of the Kage's moves when they first fought him as Edo Madara. Madara as a kid was beating Senju adults before he had the Sharingan. He came up with a plan, with backup plans, that encompassed years of effort of others that he manipulated. No it wasn't BZ, all BZ did was changed Hagoromo's writing on the tablet; he didn't show himself to Madara until when Madara thought he created him as an old man a bit before he died as an old man so the whole plan was still formed by Madara.

Itachi is more analytically intelligent, while Madara simply had access to more knowledge.

Madara's plan was pretty idiotic if you think about it.
Madara shown to be analytical himself while fighting the 5 Kages and analyzing their jutsus; what did Itachi really analyze like that? CT from Edo Nagato? Madara did this against 5 Kage level ninjas as has years of analyzing fighting styles from his life in a constant warring era. Madara plan was idiotic how? He staged everything that happened to Kakashi and Rin to turn Obito evil then set a backup to ensure his revival while also achieving his goal of being revived, becoming the JJ, and casting IT. Being tricked is all that got him but he still succeed in what he said he'll do for the most part. Itachi's plan is what was stupid, mental abuse his kid brother into being obsessed with wanting revenge which drove Sasuke into becoming a missing nin, joining an international criminal, joining an international criminal organization, had intent of destroying the very village Itachi himself wanted to protect, and drove him into almost becoming a world wide dictator. As for Itachi trying to protect the village, He made a deal to join Akatsuki and help Obito kill the Uchiha clan if Obito doesn't touch Konoha or Sasuke; Hidan and Kakuza were sent to attack Konoha to get the 9 tails while Itachi was still alive and Itachi had no one of protecting Konoha after he died while Madara's plan contained steps after his death. Itachi actually created Konoha's biggest threat in Sasuke until Naruto fixed it.

Its Itachi bruh. His plan to protect the Leaf Village was much smarter than Madara's failed plan. Battle Intelligence wise its Itachi as well . Him analyzing Kabuto's weakness and using Izanami was one proof of how he was battle smart. Madara was too cocky to formulate the right plan. He was used his whole life believing that he was the one in control where he was not.
What? Itachi's plan created a hatred full Sasuke who blade was pointed at the village; also Kakuza and Hidan were still sent to attack Konoha while Itachi was alive so Obito didn't even care about their deal. Itachi had no plan to protect Konoha after his death while Madara's plan had steps after his death and backup plans to ensure his revival; sure Itachi gave Naruto KA to use on Sasuke but what happened? It was used on Edo Itachi and Sasuke's new plan was to become a dictator who would rule with power. Madara actually planned all the steps that it took to turn Obito evil and thought years ahead of what Obito needed to do in order to carry out his plan. Except he was, BZ only changed the Tablet writing and lead Kabuto to Madara remains while the whole plan, which succeed, was Madara's. Madara was an old man and already manipulate Obito by the time he met BZ, Madara did what he wanted to do; it was the same as what BZ wanted to a point but Madara carried it out.

Even this?

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You do know Itachi's plan failed since he couldn't stop his dad, turned his brother who he loves into a hatred fill criminal, and didn't really do anything to protect Konoha. Konoha was still ordered to be attacked while Itachi was still alive and it was destroyed shortly after.Itachi failed in all of the major things he wanted to do.

OT. Minato is the smartest intelligence wise, Jiraiya said Minato wouldn't do something without reason and is a genius that came once a decade but he haven't seen a genii like Minato since Minato even though Itachi, Kakashi, Shikamaru, Nagato, Neji, ect.... All came after Minato. Minato's analyzing skills are so great that he can break down a jutsu strength and weakness by only seeing it once and can further break it down seeing it again which is something Madara and Itachi use the Sharingan for. Other Kages such as Hiruzen and Tobirama shown high level of this analyzing skill too but both lived past their primes (lived long) while Minato never made it to his prime (Itachi illness was killing him so he wouldn't have made it to his prime unless Tsunade or Orochimaru could have cured him or better extended his life span).
 

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That logic . There is proof , like i said , if you read carefully you can tell .

Well , where is the proof that obito was fooling him :sdo: ? There is none , all we know are assumptions, Its most likely that itachi wouldn't just believe some shmuck , unable to prove his abilities , other than basic history of the village .

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^ Thats ViZ if im not mistaken , it just makes it more clear .
I'm not really seeing anything there. Itachi's speech is all about Madara being alive. He might be lying about believeing Tobi is Madara, but none of that directly ties to Obito.
 

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I'm not really seeing anything there. Itachi's speech is all about Madara being alive. He might be lying about believeing Tobi is Madara, but none of that directly ties to Obito.
Madara still lives

All people live relying on their knowledge and perception and thus are bound to them
He is trying to say that , everyone goes by their intuintion , their perception of a person . Pretty simple .

Those boundaries are what they tend to accept as reality .
Basically , what people believe to be correct , they will just accept as the reality

However knowledge and perception are born ambiguous
am·big·u·ous
amˈbiɡyo͞oəs/
adjective
adjective: ambiguous
(of language) open to more than one interpretation; having a double meaning.

There is also a double meaning , two meaning for every perception . There will also always be 1 truth .

So reality can be nothing more than an illusion
What you think , or what the reality is . Can be an illusion EG : Believing Madara is tobi .

People live trapped by their limited perception . DO YOU SEE ?
He doesn't want sasuke to get trapped by tobi/madara . He wants him to realize the truth

Thats my take on it tbh .​
 

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He is trying to say that , everyone goes by their intuintion , their perception of a person . Pretty simple .



Basically , what people believe to be correct , they will just accept as the reality



am·big·u·ous
amˈbiɡyo͞oəs/
adjective
adjective: ambiguous
(of language) open to more than one interpretation; having a double meaning.

There is also a double meaning , two meaning for every perception . There will also always be 1 truth .



What you think , or what the reality is . Can be an illusion EG : Believing Madara is tobi .



He doesn't want sasuke to get trapped by tobi/madara . He wants him to realize the truth

Thats my take on it tbh .​
i-------> itachi would never be dumb stupid to believe bobito is madara!!1

but if i remember correctly he still called obito madara during the war. makes me wish they all met up lol
 

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Itachi

Yes, Madara was very smart,despite the usual haters say otherwise, but Itachi is the most intelligent Uchiha and one of the best of the manga on this :)

lol everyone believed that Tobi was Madara, even Minato and Kakashi.

It has nothing to do with anything.

And with this story of Zetsu and Madara, I do not understand if some people are trolling or stupid.
 
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i would say itachi. for the simple fact he was less flawed then madara even though madara is smarter and has more experience
if itachi had madaras level of knowledge it would be no contest
 

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ITACHI, of course.

Madara's arrogance is what makes him less intelligent by far imo. Itachi never underestimated his opponents.. If anything he overestimated.
Zetsu was not an opponents for Madara....He was taken by surprise.

And Zetsu has not completely manipulated Madara, he wrote the stele centuries earlier, and remained behind the scenes waiting.

Madara did everything alone and made decisions alone.

But obviously useless to argue, because haters gonna hate, always
 

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Smart is subjective term. You can be smart in something and not not smart in something else. So you have to be specific in what ''smart'' you're talking about. Itachi is more prodigy than Madara, but not smarter.
 

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Tre Mercer must be supplying you Itachi fan's dope. Madara obviously takes overall intelligence. I'll address the vague statement: At the age of 7 Itachi's wisdom was on par with that of a Hokage? Well obviously, since there was such a thing as a 'Hokage' I'm pretty certain that if he was born in the same era as Madara that wisdom would be tremendously more 'limited' regarding things concerning a 'Hokage' since there was no such thing at the time. I'll phrase it another way; "At the age of 40 Clinton's wisdom on American politics was on par with that of a president" does that mean he was more intelligent than Einstein? Not in the slightest. Madara was a renowned a genius from a young age and could even take down Senju Shinobi by and possibly before the age of 13. Itachi at ages 11-13 took down members of the Uchiha clan (in the night while they were asleep) however the average Senju Shinobi during Madaras Era were a lot stronger and much more battle intelligent than the Uchiha Itachi assassinated during the massacre who did not have the experiences of war. There goes Battle intelligence at a young age. Itachi thought Obito was Madara, failed to convert Sasuke and once again received all his teaches from Obito who in turn received his knowledge from Madara. Battle wise, Madara already knows Itachi's entire arsenal and even the function of Yata no Kagami and Totsuka no Tsurugi where as Itachi knows What of Madara? My question is: should I go on?
 
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Tre Mercer must be supplying you Itachi fan's dope. Madara obviously takes overall intelligence. I'll address the vague statement: At the age of 7 Itachi's wisdom was on par with that of a Hokage? Well obviously, since there was such a thing as a 'Hokage' I'm pretty certain that if he was born in the same era as Madara that wisdom would be tremendously more 'limited' regarding things concerning a 'Hokage' since there was no such thing at the time. I'll phrase it another way; "At the age of 40 Clinton's wisdom on American politics was on par with that of a president" does that mean he was more intelligent than Einstein? Not in the slightest. Madara was a renowned a genius from a young age and could even take down Senju Shinobi by and possibly before the age of 13. Itachi at ages 11-13 took down members of the Uchiha clan (in the night while they were asleep) however the average Senju Shinobi during Madaras Era were a lot stronger and much more battle intelligent than the Uchiha Itachi assassinated during the massacre who did not have the experiences of war. There goes Battle intelligence at a young age. Itachi thought Obito was Madara, failed to convert Sasuke and once again received all his teaches from Obito who in turn received his knowledge from Madara. Battle wise, Madara already knows Itachi's entire arsenal and even the function of Yata no Kagami and Totsuka no Tsurugi where as Itachi knows What of Madara? My question is: should I go on?
all hail madara
 
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