Itachi > Nagato?? WTF are you talking about?

[GwemBaba]

I have no need to, as Itachi's genjutsu is naturally quicker than Nagato's more physical-oriented techniques for obvious reasons. With effects ranging from physical paralysis to Tsukuyomi's own effects.

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None of Nagato's techniques are quicker than Itachi's, hence I don't bother with any of that "How will he beat Chibaku tensei?!?" garbage. Simply saying "He has the Rinnegan" is not a real answer as far as him countering Tsukuyomi, as Kishimoto never stated that the Rinnegan possessed the Sharingan's power to counter illusions or cast them.

Nagato's eye is Izuna's: A Sharingan, we can infer it can see through it just like Sasuke.

 

[Penguin]

This is really starting to get ridiculous. Some people really think Itachi is stronger than Nagato, and it's starting to get irritating.

Don't give me that stupid scan where Nagato is pierced by Totsuka because at that time Nagato was being controled by Kabuto who was controlling like 100 more edos. If Nagato had his conciousness, he would have killed Itachi if needed.

Please enlighten me. How would Itachi counter Chibaku Tensei without the help of Naruto and Bee?

He cannot. Nagato > Itachi.

 

[Sot viing hun]

Nagato's eye is Izuna's: A Sharingan, we can infer it can see through it just like Sasuke.

No, not really, considering Nagato don't have access to any of the sharingan powers, why would you think he can see through it, nothing implies that.

 

[Shura]

I have no need to, as Itachi's genjutsu is naturally quicker than Nagato's more physical-oriented techniques for obvious reasons. With effects ranging from physical paralysis to Tsukuyomi's own effects.

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None of Nagato's techniques are quicker than Itachi's, hence I don't bother with any of that "How will he beat Chibaku tensei?!?" garbage; Nagato can't cast any of his techniques quicker than Itachi's Tsukuyomi. Simply saying "He has the Rinnegan" is not a real answer as far as him countering Tsukuyomi, as Kishimoto never stated that the Rinnegan possessed the Sharingan's power to counter illusions or cast them.

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He cannot. Nagato > Itachi.

I know, but obviously the Itachi wankers don't.

 

[GwemBaba]

No, not really, considering Nagato don't have access to any of the sharingan powers, why would you think he can see through it, nothing implies that.

Actual perception is different than using the powers associated with eye.

And the Sharingan evolves into the Rinnegan.

 

[Optimistic]

Once again feeding the trolls.Some people enjoy getting trolled 24 7.

 

[BlinkST]

Nagato's eye is Izuna's: A Sharingan, we can infer it can see through it just like Sasuke.

Kishimoto has already implied numerous times that Nagato doesn't have those powers, going so far as to have Itachi suggest he was brought back to use genjutsu and make him out to be a prime suspect for Zetsu attacks, instead of Nagato. Only Madara seems to be retain those powers, considering the eyes originally belonged to him.

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So the Tsukuyomi point stands for now, aside from Itachi's status as being higher in the pecking-order of course.

 

[GwemBaba]

Kishimoto has already implied numerous times that Nagato doesn't have those powers, going so far as to have Itachi suggest he was brought back to use genjutsu and make him out to be a prime suspect for Zetsu attacks, instead of Nagato. Only Madara seems to be retain the powers.

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Well played, I guess a someone that has true Uchiha DNA could use it.

Doesn't mean that Nagato can't see through it though , the Rinnegan's perception is so advanced it can see things of a spiritual nature.

 

[Murasame]

You people doubt Itachi too much I swear.. in my opinion it can be a close match and don't call me a fanboy for just thinking that. I saw your arguments and they don't even make sense or have proof behind them lol Itachi basically took him out three times in that match.. and don't give me the bullcrap that he was being controlled whether he had no conscious or not is irrelevant because
he was on auto pilot and is set to react and counter to any enemy attack. Even when he was fully controlled he had Nagatos sensory abilities and he still couldn't see the totsuka which is a large object stab him.. So how can Dodge something you can't see? Now for CT this is debatable but if itachi used a Yasaka Magatama on the orb in the beginning stage there's a chance he can destroy it or atleast heavily damage it.. either that or he would have to finish Nagato quickly before he uses it and he is capable of doing so with amaterasu and totsuka since even with Nagatos sensory abilities he couldn't counter. As for the summons itachi can take some out with the shuriken to the eye or atleast blind some as shown in the manga. The only two that would require amaterasu or totsuka is the bird summon and Cerberus. If Nagato uses Bansho tenin or manages to get a hold of Itachi he can use genjutsu like he did with Killer bee to fool him.. while Nagato is dispelling the genjutsu Itachi can slash his throat.If you say Large scale shinra tensei Itachi can tank it with his Susanoo and Yata.. I mean a lot of people in the leaf survived it and the only thing protecting their bodies were the buildings and the slug summon and Susanoo is much more durable. Nagato would lose his deva powers temporarily which would put him at a high disadvantage. Nagato would win if its a long battle Itachi wins if its a short battle.

 

[BlinkST]

Doesn't mean that Nagato can't see through it though

There's no evidence that it can, however, as far as ocular powers. The difference between Nagato and Itachi getting caught in genjutsu is that the latter reverses the genjutsu. The former is helpless. In both cases where Pa frog's genjutsu was a threat, Kishimoto either had the genjutsu be successful (Vs. Rikudo Pain) or avoided altogether (Vs. the Tendo). He hasn't done anything to suggest it has that same capability.

the Rinnegan's perception is so advanced it can see things of a spiritual nature.

What does that even mean?

 

[Waltz]

Nagato would not be able to defeat Itachi, whether prime or not. In actuality, the fight would be over long before large scale tech's like Chibaku/Shinra tensei come to play as Nagato canonically has no knowledge of the inner workings nor a counter for Itachi's Tsukuyomi hence; eye contact being established at the beginning of the fight already secures victory as in such time Itachi could easily seal him with the Totsuka Katana. Ultimately, even if the fight begins differently Nagato has no counter for things such as Kotoamatsukami which would simply re-write his mind.

 

[HadouKage]

Itachi is to Sasuke what Minato is to Naruto. He has taken precedence over other characters like Nagato and god knows who else. Nagato will never be stronger than him. Kishimoto himself stated that Itachi was too perfect. He'd rather be like Minato.

Wow with the unrealistic answers, you act like nobody knows about the secrets of MS
Nagato > Itachi

 

[HadouKage]

Nagato would not be able to defeat Itachi, whether prime or not. In actuality, the fight would be over long before large scale tech's like Chibaku/Shinra tensei come to play as Nagato canonically has no knowledge of the inner workings nor a counter for Itachi's Tsukuyomi hence; eye contact being established at the beginning of the fight already secures victory as in such time Itachi could easily seal him with the Totsuka Katana. Ultimately, even if the fight begins differently Nagato has no counter for things such as Kotoamatsukami which would simply re-write his mind.

Itachi did not cannonically use Tsukuyomi. However, Nagato canoically sensed his Ama
Fodder ninja knew about Ama and Sussano you cannot come to this assumption and we do not know if Nagato knows about it or not

 

[BlinkST]

Wow with the unrealistic answers, you act like nobody knows about the secrets of MS

Knowing is no guarantee. I'm pretty sure Kakashi and Sasuke knew about Itachi's Tsukuyomi, yet were powerless to defeat it, and Nagato didn't know about Koto'Amatsukami, either.

 

[HadouKage]

Knowing is only half the battle, and Nagato didn't know about Koto'Amatsukami, either.

What's your point? Alot of ninja didn't know about, it wasn't Itachi's jutsu

 

[Waltz]

Itachi did not cannonically use Tsukuyomi. However, Nagato canoically sensed his Ama
Fodder ninja knew about Ama ans Sussano you cannot come to this assumption and we do not know if Nagato knows about it or not

Itachi has used Tsukuyomi on more than one occasion throughout the series. Amaterasu functions differently to Tsukuyomi. I'll rephrase for sake of your reading inconsistency: Nagato has no canonical knowledge of the Inner workings nor possesses a counter for Itachi's Genjutsu; Tsukuyomi.

 

[Smd]

Lmfao, who said that?

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enough said

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but on paper nagato is stronger, than itachi due to rinngenn and being an uzuamaki.

But itachi is smarter plus he has tosuka blade and yata mirror.

 

[BlinkST]

What's your point? Alot of ninja didn't know about, it wasn't Itachi's jutsu

Same counts for Nagato's powers. Those were Rikudo's powers, and the eyes themselves belonged to Madara.

 

[Murasame]

What's your point? Alot of ninja didn't know about, it wasn't Itachi's jutsu

The Rinnegan wasnt Nagatos either.. what's your point?

 

[The Dragon Abadon]

Nagato was immobile, he was being controlled by kabuto, he could hav easily killed all three of them. Itachi is not near nagato. One super shenra tensei stuns itachi, then nagato disarms itachis weapons, gets him off sussano and kill him.