Itachi > Nagato but Pain > Itachi

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

He can't dodge it because he's crippled therefore lacks mobility, Nagato wasn't dealing with 2 jins when he was stabbed it was after he did CT, Kabuto even stated that he couldn't dodge it because he lacked mobility, he simply can't dodge it. And the fact that he was Edo doesn't change anything.

Why do you think someone can't dodge the Totsuka at the first place? Where was it stated 'wow, that sword is so fast, etc, etc, etc '. From what saw, even a normal human can dodge it.

 

[Zexion~]

Yes But a healthy Nagato >>>>Itachi man .. i mean it would be him fighting with his 6 paths alongside him..although even without them he would win

 

[Obito3631]

Why do you think someone can't dodge the Totsuka at the first place? Where was it stated 'wow, that sword is so fast, etc, etc, etc '. From what saw, even a normal human can dodge it.

?? No one has ever dodged the Totsuka so far in the manga. it's not that the sword is fast, it's just that Nagato can't dodge it because he can't move.

 

[Obito3631]

Yes But a healthy Nagato >>>>Itachi man .. i mean it would be him fighting with his 6 paths alongside him..although even without them he would win

nagato was only healthy before his fight against Hanzo but he wasn't in his prime back then so there's no such thing as an healthy Nagato.

 

[Exaar]

?? No one has ever dodged the Totsuka so far in the manga. it's not that the sword is fast, it's just that Nagato can't dodge it because he can't move.

No one has dodged it because the only people to get hit by it have been immobile targets, Oro while sitting inside a snakes mouth, and nagato.

While nagato might not be able to dodge it, He can still defend against it via shinra tensei. One of the reasons he didn't do it was because Itachi's susanoo and it's movements were covered by Dust from the destruction of CT.

Plus since kabuto foolishly let itachi roam free resulting in him taking out the shared vision, Nagato's reaction times were also slower because of that.

 

[Zexion~]

nagato was only healthy before his fight against Hanzo but he wasn't in his prime back then so there's no such thing as an healthy Nagato.

Obito Could With one rinnegan..Also i cant counter that because honestly i never saw that nagato vs itachi fight ..... however even un healthy nagato's stamina is by far greater then itachi's

 

[Obito3631]

Obito Could With one rinnegan..Also i cant counter that because honestly i never saw that nagato vs itachi fight ..... however even un healthy nagato's stamina is by far greater then itachi's

You should read it then, stamina doesn't mean anything here.

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[Slug Princess Tsunade]

?? No one has ever dodged the Totsuka so far in the manga. it's not that the sword is fast, it's just that Nagato can't dodge it because he can't move.

Well I wasn't surprised when a Bijuu sized snake couldn't dodge it :scorps:
I already explained why Nagato couldn't dodge it.

 

[Lilt]

No one has dodged it because the only people to get hit by it have been immobile targets

This is incorrect. Were it not so fast, Nagato could have used Shinra Tensei. It's just too fast.

Nagato and Deva Path use Shinra Tensei much faster than they move, after all.

 

[Obito3631]

Well I wasn't surprised when a Bijuu sized snake couldn't dodge it :scorps:
I already explained why Nagato couldn't dodge last time.

What is there to explain except that Nagato couldn't dodge it because he was crippled?

 

[Lilt]

And he stabbed Nagato, who was busy dealing with two jichuurikies. And he was an Edo too. Kabuto controlled him..

Nagato wasn't busy with anything when stabbed. He was standing 30+ meters away staring in their direction.

It was so OBVIOUSLY a speed feat that it's just plain funny that this forum rejects it.

The Totsuka's referred to as an absolutely perfect offense. Not something most can dodge, if any.

 

[Exaar]

This is incorrect. Were it not so fast, Nagato could have used Shinra Tensei. It's just too fast.

Nagato and Deva Path use Shinra Tensei much faster than they move, after all.

I believe the real reason why he didn't react was not only because of it's speed, Itachi's susanoo was covered by Smoke/Dust.

If he had kept his shared vision and if Susanoo's movement weren't concealed, He could've reacted to it.

 

[Lilt]

I believe the real reason why he didn't react was not only because of it's speed, Itachi's susanoo was covered by Smoke/Dust.

If he had kept his shared vision and if Susanoo's movement weren't concealed, He could've reacted to it.

No, even then, the dust cloud was still far away. The sword exited the cloud before hitting Nagato.

So Nagato's reflexes may have been partially laxed by the cloud, but it was still largely a matter of speed.

 

[Obito3631]

I believe the real reason why he didn't react was not only because of it's speed, Itachi's susanoo was covered by Smoke/Dust.

If he had kept his shared vision and if Susanoo's movement weren't concealed, He could've reacted to it.

"if he had kept his shared vision"
but he didn't, Itachi took that away from him. And even if he had it he still wouldnt have been able to dodge it because he's crippled.

 

[Nous]

I can't even fathom how you made this though... :|

 

[Obito3631]

I can't even fathom how you made this though... :|

cool story kid

 

[Exaar]

No, even then, the dust cloud was still far away. The sword exited the cloud.

So Nagato's reflexes may have been partially laxed by the cloud, but it was still largely a matter of speed.

Kabuto nor Nagato commented on it's speed, it was simply said he couldn't dodge it due to his mobility, Implying if he did have mobility he most likely could have. He didn't say he couldn't dodge it because it was to fast.

"if he had kept his shared vision"
but he didn't, Itachi took that away from him. And even if he had it he still couldn't have dodged it because he's crippled.

Only reason itachi did that was because Kabuto let him run free and was focusing on Naruto and Bee.

 

[Zexion~]

You should read it then, stamina doesn't mean anything here.

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didnt nagato regain his senses before he was stabbed .. he obv wanted to be hit .. but anyways crippled nagato would lose... im saying un crippled nagato would win mid diff

 

[Draegod]

Like seriously......

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This version of Nagato is almost unstoppable! Why? Because he has a strategy that shits on 99% or all of naruto universe with on Tobi and SM Kabuto able to defeat him more time then not (and even they can loose). Edo madara doesnt count since he is a product of Kabuto (fact).

He then does summon Jutsu:

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Too summon the 6 paths of pain! And:

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Too make his handicapp body fly out of reach. That way he can be high in the sky while his 6 paths of pain fight for him.

He then summons the chameleon to hide the reviving path:

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With that strategy he protects the one that will be reviving them. It really doesn't matter really since The main Nagato could revive the dead paths aswell from the sky or another location.

So not only would the ninjas have to get past the 6 paths of pain and kill them all, they then would have to deal with nagato who has all there powers in one body! WHo the hell can defeat this strategy??? Or who has the best chance?

Alllot of ppl fail to realize that when he was alive this strategy is available to him, and there was a reason why he was dubbed Strongest member in akatsuki!

 

[Obito3631]

Kabuto nor Nagato commented on it's speed, it was simply said he couldn't dodge it due to his mobility, Implying if he did have mobility he most likely could have. He didn't say he couldn't dodge it because it was to fast.



Only reason itachi did that was because Kabuto let him run free and was focusing on Naruto and Bee.

And your point is? Are you suggesting that itachi should be controlled by Kabuto in a VS thread?